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New CBA But Possibly Old Problems For The Hurricanes

from Luke DeCock of the News & Observer,

At the steep cost of half of a season, the NHL has a new labor agreement. It’s a good one for the teams in general, with the players taking a hefty pay cut. How good it is for the Carolina Hurricanes is a big unknown.

Many of the problems the Hurricanes had with the NHL’s old labor deal remain in the new one. Even though salaries will go down to start, over the course of the deal they’re still being asked to grow revenue at the same pace as their bigger-market brethren.

“The market’s still going to continue to grow, which is going to be helpful,” Hurricanes general manager Jim Rutherford said Thursday. “Hopefully the economy continues to grow. And hopefully our team plays well. You get those three factors, then that makes that road a little smoother. If you don’t get all three, it makes it a little harder. And if you don’t get any, then it becomes a little more unrealistic, maybe very, very difficult.”

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Hey, here’s a thought…

THERE SHOULDN’T BE A BLEEPING NHL TEAM IN BLEEPING RALEIGH NORTH CAROLINA!

If Bettman wasn’t a moron he would have kept the bleeping team in Hartford where, hello, there isn’t one other bleeping thing to do within 50 miles and ESPN’S PRIMARY PLACE OF BUSINESS IS THERE.

He could have had every person that wanted to see a pro sport who worked at place that covered stinking sports buying tickets all the time to watch the NHL live, which is literally the best way to get people hooked on the game.

But nooooooooo, let’s ‘grow the game’ by jamming NHL franchises into somewhat bigger cities like Raleigh where there’s not an iota of hockey interest.  Really bleeping smart, Gary.  Now we’ve gotten to spend the last 15 years trying to figure out some way to make a sport financially viable in 10-12 cities where pretty much nobody gives a crap about it.

Idiot.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 01/11/13 at 05:22 AM ET

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Posted by HockeyinHD on 01/11/13 at 04:22 AM ET

What he said ^^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 01/11/13 at 10:05 AM ET

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enjoy hockey hell jordan.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 01/11/13 at 10:13 AM ET

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THERE SHOULDN’T BE A BLEEPING NHL TEAM IN BLEEPING RALEIGH NORTH CAROLINA!

So good of you to decide where hockey should and shouldn’t be.  When a city can average over 16000 per game, why do think they shouldn’t have a team?  Because they don’t pay 70 dollars a seat?  Thinking the game belongs in only a few places is an arrogant and short sighted view of hockey, and frankly speaks to the fact some folks don’t really like they game, they just like their own hockey team!

Posted by timbits on 01/11/13 at 10:41 AM ET

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AlI have to say to those who think Raleigh and Hockey don’t make good pairing is a complete idiot.

Hockey is thriving here in NC and will continue to grow. How do I know this? Well I LIVE here! (do you?)  and can speak with facts and not spout off rumors and falsehoods by people who have never been here and never attended a Canes game.

Raleigh is a transplant city with almost 70% of the population compromised of people whom have left the so-called Hockey “hotbed” areas and fled for better weather, jobs and relief from the northern “the world revolves around us” attitudes. A majority of these people regularly attend Canes games. Numbers prove this.

The Canes average over the last 6 years over 15,000 fans per game.  (http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=5154). Last year alone the Canes averaged fans per game more than Colorado, New Jersey, Winnipeg & NY Islanders. (http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph_season.php?lid=NHL1927&sid=2012) Do I hear you clamoring for teams not belonging there?

Are we a small market team, yes. Is Raleigh’s population smaller than most Northern cities, yes. But does that mean we don’t deserve the right to have and support a NHL team because we don;t have to bear harsh winters and live near ESPN headquarters? Stop being “sour grapes” and pouting because the “ex-Whalers” are doing better here than they were there

Oh and by the way, we have won the Cup here in a city which “doesn’t deserve a NHL team”. Did that ever happen in ESPN land?

Posted by Nbr1Caniac on 01/11/13 at 11:10 AM ET

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Let me rephrase my first sentence as it was written with furious fingers…it should have read:

“AlI have to say to those who think Raleigh and Hockey don’t make good pairing is MIS-INFORMED.”

As I have no idea whether their IQ is above 60 or not…no matter if their arguments make no sense

Posted by Nbr1Caniac on 01/11/13 at 11:13 AM ET

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Posted by Nbr1Caniac on 01/11/13 at 10:10 AM ET

And to top it all off, let’s not forget there were serious challenges to Hartford as well. The rink was bad. The location was tough because most people were either already aligned with the Bruins, Rangers, or Islanders. And the city of Hartford had (and has) seen better days.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 01/11/13 at 11:17 AM ET

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It’s so cute when fans stick up for their team even though it won’t be around in 10-20 yrs. It warms the cockles of me heart, it does.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 01/11/13 at 12:26 PM ET

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Posted by Vladimir16 on 01/11/13 at 11:26 AM ET

A patronizing comment from a fan of a CITY which won’t be around in 10-20 years!!!!!

Posted by Nbr1Caniac on 01/11/13 at 12:37 PM ET

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I like my dog and he’s probably not going to be alive 10 years from now.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/11/13 at 12:57 PM ET

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So good of you to decide where hockey should and shouldn’t be. 

I’ll keep your sanctimonious prohibition on opinion in mind the next time you disagree with a coach about a lineup, a GM about a trade, or pretty much anyone about anything.

AlI have to say to those who think Raleigh and Hockey don’t make good pairing is a complete idiot.

Raleigh and hockey may make a good pairing.  Raleigh and NHL hockey is stupid.  Their attendance is pretty much pegged at 15,500-16k, and their average ticket price (23rd in the NHL) in the face of that mediocre at best attendance means the franchise is a financial mess.

If you can’t get at least 50 bucks a ticket on average and sell in the high 16’s to low 17’s it doesn’t make any sense for you to have a team.  You can’t generate enough revenue to be able to spend, and if you don’t spend you’ll never have a consistently good team, and if you never have a consistently good team in a soft non-traditional market you’ll never establish anything remotely resembling a firm fanbase.

Do I hear you clamoring for teams not belonging there?

Two things.

First, the reason Winnipeg draws 15,004 is because the capacity of their arena is 15,004.  They sold out every seat at every game and had the second highest price per ticket in the whole freaking NHL at over 98 bucks a shot.

To put it in easy to understand terms, for the Canes to generate as much money per home game as the Jets did last year they’d have to sell 35,371 tickets a game at their average price of 41.58.

Secondly, as far as Colorado, NJ and the Isle goes?  Heck yeah… move them all.  The Islanders already moved, so we’ll see how that goes.  The Devils are a moribund financial franchise in spite of a bunch of success.  Colorado’s a small market team with a front-running fanbase just like every other small-market team is… the Avs just had a lot of early success to buoy interest.  As soon as the success went away, so did a huge portion of the fans.

Oh and by the way, we have won the Cup here in a city which “doesn’t deserve a NHL team”.

And your attendance still sucks and you can’t get people to pay anywhere close to league average for a ticket to see them.  Which proves the point.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 01/11/13 at 02:25 PM ET

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A patronizing comment from a fan of a CITY which won’t be around in 10-20 years!!!!!

Posted by Nbr1Caniac on 01/11/13 at 11:37 AM ET

Come on now, I agreed with most of your post and added a point that supports your argument. Not everyone from the Detroit area is a grade A chud.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 01/11/13 at 03:07 PM ET

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OK. Guys. Everyone has their opinion and mine differs from your so let’s agree to disagree.

We can argue till we’re blue in the face and you know how much it will matter?

None! Not one single bit.

We enjoy our NHL and Canes here even if we are not liked nor grinned upon from elsewhere.

Let’s just enjoy Hockey is back and root for your team!

Posted by Nbr1Caniac on 01/11/13 at 04:28 PM ET

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