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Nabokov Suspended By Islanders

via Islanders.com,

The New York Islanders have suspended Evgeni Nabokov for not reporting after being claimed off of waivers on Jan. 22. The 35-year-old goaltender signed a one-year contract with the Detroit Red Wings on Jan 20.

added 4:27pm, via Katie Strang tweet,

The Islanders do have the option of “tolling” Nabokov’s contract still, and according to one league source, it appears the Islanders will

Tolling basically pushes the contract to next year if Nabokov does not report this season.  He is scheduled to be UFA July 1st, but this could force him to be property of the Islanders next season.

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yep, snow is a dick. i think its hilarious. nabby really does care either, he’s laughing his @ss off in a multimillion dollar home in LA spending tons of tax free russian money!  ahahaha, isles suck!

Posted by callmedrw on 01/25/11 at 07:36 PM ET

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So basically Garth Snow just picked a fight with John Tavares’ agent over a goalie he has no use for. Not a good idea.

Posted by StevieSteve on 01/25/11 at 07:39 PM ET

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The Islanders do have the option of “tolling” Nabokov’s contract still, and according to one league source, it appears the Islanders will

Seriously? The guy doesn’t want to play for you so you’re going to play hardball and “toll” his contract so he HAS to play for you next season?

If they do “toll” his contract, does that mean they’d be able to trade him after July 1 without waiver rules?

Posted by SK77 on 01/25/11 at 07:45 PM ET

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If they do “toll” his contract, does that mean they’d be able to trade him after July 1 without waiver rules?

I’m pretty sure it does.  So they’re going to toll him in order to get a late-ish draft pick from the Wings.  It’s not like the Isles will have a lot of options, since the contract has a no movement clause.

On the other hand, if they DO toll him, his contract will only be $570K and, while I’m WAY ahead of myself here, if they sign Howard to a reasonable contact, it would be pretty amazing to have a tandem of Howard and Nabokov for $3M or less.

Posted by Garth on 01/25/11 at 07:49 PM ET

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Nabby should show up, be a complete idiot in the dressing room. That way he’ll fit into the rest of the organization.

There’s no rhyme or reason for Snow to do this.
If Nabby reports, he’ll either be a dark cloud in the dressing room, or he’ll help them win games and take them out of the running for the #1 pick overall.

But maybe Snow’s thinking that he would ‘toll’ his contract all along and get a cheap commodity to trade later on next year?

In any event, Snow’s an ass. I still hate him for starting the whole “wear goalie pads that can block out the sun” idea.
Idiot!

Posted by Hank1974 on 01/25/11 at 07:53 PM ET

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Well if that’s the case, I’d be surprised if the Wings were able to get him by trading with the Islanders. Plus if Osgood heals fine then he’s probably in it for another year or two.

So… maybe this wasn’t the worst move ever by the Islanders. They now have a capable starting goaltender signed to a $570K contract. I’m sure there are some teams out there that’d be more than happy to throw something better than a late-ish draft pick their way for Nabokov in this case.

Posted by SK77 on 01/25/11 at 07:54 PM ET

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Does anyone know the rules RE: reporting? For example, can Nabokov hold out and report during the last week of the season to avoid the tolling? Or can the Islanders enforce their suspension and toll the contract regardless of when he reports? If the team holds ALL of the cards, I can see this becoming a serious issue in the next CBA.

Posted by YzermanZetterberg on 01/25/11 at 08:09 PM ET

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So basically Garth Snow just picked a fight with John Tavares’ agent over a goalie he has no use for. Not a good idea.

This is a potentially very interesting wrinkle. If Tavares is going to stay, it will be because he honestly feels that the team is doing the right things to compete and improve. The Islanders can suck for years and keep running through high draft picks without end - each individual high draft pick only has one career allotted to him, and if a team is not providing the support for him to make the most of his decade or 15 years playing pro hockey, it would be stupid to stay with them.

How Snow treats other players is, I would think, pretty important in Tavares’ own calculations of if he can trust any assurances he gets from the Islanders about their future plans and how he fits in.

I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s plotting his escape right now.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 01/25/11 at 08:50 PM ET

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Does anyone know the rules RE: reporting? For example, can Nabokov hold out and report during the last week of the season to avoid the tolling? Or can the Islanders enforce their suspension and toll the contract regardless of when he reports? If the team holds ALL of the cards, I can see this becoming a serious issue in the next CBA.

Posted by YzermanZetterberg on 01/25/11 at 05:09 PM ET

I need to look at the CBA again when I get the chance and anybody please correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe that the rule about clubs suspending players does not force the club to end his suspension when he ends his holdout.

Instead, I believe his suspension ends when the two sides either agree it should or when it goes to a hearing.  I sincerely doubt that Nabokov would be able to win a hearing ending his suspension a week before the season’s end if the Islanders weren’t on board with this.

If (and that’s a big IF), I’m right about this, then I’m not sure that the NHLPA would pick the fight over changing any of this policy for the sake of Nabokov.  The way he’s taken this situation is outside of a few rules agreed upon by both sides to keep players and clubs from pulling underhanded shit.  I’m not sure the NHLPA wants to fight in his favor to get him out from under a suspension everybody knows he deserves.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/25/11 at 09:02 PM ET

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I think you are right on that one Baroque, Tavares’s agent has probably already told snow to go for a swim anyway and that Tav is out of Long Island first chance he gets. Maybe that plays a bit here with the “Nabbie situation”??

Unless Nabokov REALLY REALLY wants to play in the NHL next year, he’ll probably not show up for camp next Fall either. So really anything the Isles do is futile at best, and that’s usually the case with them anyway.

Posted by christpuncher from Detroit, MI on 01/25/11 at 09:06 PM ET

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This is why you don’t name your backup goalie the team GM.

Posted by Primis on 01/25/11 at 09:11 PM ET

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I think you are right on that one Baroque, Tavares’s agent has probably already told snow to go for a swim anyway and that Tav is out of Long Island first chance he gets. Maybe that plays a bit here with the “Nabbie situation”??

It wouldn’t surprise me at all. Teams can burn through high draft picks and toss them away when their careers fade, but each player doesn’t have the luxury of that much time. They can wait, but not forever - and are generally willing to, if they can see a distinct benefit in doing so.

A player might be more likely to stay in the minors if the team has a reputation for not burying players there and forgetting about them, and if based on their previous history he knows that he is likely trading off a year or so of short stints and struggling for being able to develop the skills to stick when he finally does make it.

It reminds me a little bit of Patrick Eaves in a way. It’s only now that he is actually feeling comfortable enough to show some of the same offensive skills that he showed his rookie year, but that happened because Detroit was willing to be patient enough to let him find them. Many other teams would not have, and by now he would likely be playing in Europe.

Situations like that make me wonder how many other talented players just vanished, some because of injury, which is unfortunate, but how many instead because they were put in a position to fail with insufficient support around them, or they had three head coaches in their first three years in the league, or the team philosophy shifted so much that they never felt as though they were comfortable in their role, and just got lost along the way. Or the team just could not grasp what exactly they had in the player and misused him from the start.

Those lost years never come back, and the team is just free to repeat the same mistakes with the next bright shiny skilled skater. It’s why I generally don’t blame players for wanting a trade. In some situations it’s petty and superficial, but in some it is for very good career reasons.

Posted by Baroque from Michigan on 01/25/11 at 09:20 PM ET

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I’m not exactly up on the whole “tolling” thing, but if the Islanders toll Nabokov’s contract, does that mean anything for THIS season?  Does he just sit out and collect nothing, or does that allow them to trade him without putting him through waivers?

Posted by RedMenace from the Church of Jesus Lashoff on 01/25/11 at 09:46 PM ET

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This is so amusing.  The Red Wings do all the work and sign Nabokov and both partners are ready to do the deed.  Here comes the lowly Snow and attempts to snag an unwilling dance partner and force him to dance.  But Snow gets rejected and embarrassed.  After all, who wants to go to a dance with the biggest joke in the league?  So now Snow needs to look like he is still in control of the situation.  Solution?  Suspend the willing partner and force him to play for him again next year.  I am sure Nabby will be highly motivated to play for the Islanders in the near future….hahahaha.

Posted by Crow on 01/25/11 at 10:15 PM ET

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This is why you don’t name your backup goalie the team GM.

Posted by Primis on 01/25/11 at 06:11 PM ET

As any Red Wing fan would tell you, get a top flight AHL keeper instead.

Posted by mc keeper on 01/26/11 at 12:30 AM ET

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Maybe, just maybe, this is all part of the plan. The Wings sign Nabokov, then get the Isles to claim him (quietly, of course, no need for anyone to know). Nabby understandably chooses to stay home rather than play behind an AHL team heading for the lottery, and the Isles react by tolling his contract. They are then free to trade him for next season - but of course, with the NMC in place, there’s only one place Nabokov wants to go. Voila! Wings manage to replace Chris Osgood with a cheaper and better option next season, while the Isles get a ‘free’ draft pick at the minimal cost of bad PR (which is nothing new on the Island).

Posted by fcjbencard on 01/26/11 at 07:10 AM ET

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I don’t think Snow is a dick for claiming him. The claim made sense—they needed goalie help, and if I remember correctly, they need to start paying some players one way or another to avoid a floor violation at the end of the year.

But Snow and the Isles are definitely making a dick move if they toll the contract. That does nothing for anyone, least of all, the Isles. It’s just a lose-lose situation.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 01/26/11 at 11:07 AM ET

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Claiming Nabokov is completely reasonable for the Isles and while they can suspend him for not reporting it seems a bit bit douchey to “toll” his contract. Perhaps this “violates the spirit of the agreement” or something…

Posted by Iggy Rules on 01/26/11 at 01:01 PM ET

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I know this won’t be a popular post, but really before casting stones, the Red Wing fans should look back to where the organization was in the 70s. What the hell did the Dead Thingsneed Yzerman for? They weren’t going anywhere. Gordie Howe prefered to play in a minor league than the dump of the Olympia.  See how easy it is to have a ridiculous perspective.

Did Holland really think Nabokov at a league minimum salary wasn’t going to be taken? Remember the Islanders got him, but he was claimed by a couple of other teams as well. Holland’s not stupid is he, since the Blues went through this twice in the last two months? Did Yzerman think that the tandem of Ellis and Smith would make it through the season? Yet Snow dealt him a player Edmonton didn’t even want so that they could pay “the Wall” triple the salary. Jackass backup getting a nobody and then trading him at no cost for more young assets.

So Tavares would be MORE likely to stay with the Islanders if the GM had a chance to improve the team by picking up a quality goaltender and chose not to? This team sucks, therefore it shoudln’t get better players when handed to them on a silver platter?  Or the inverse is true the Islanders are tanking and they don’t deserve the number 1 pick. If the Islanders are ever going to move forward they need to make moves exactly like this and remind people Mike Milbury isn’t running the organization anymore.  Wasn’t OSgood a waiver pickup for the Isles and he wasn’t too happy about that either, but it kept his career alive when the Wings had no need for him.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 01/26/11 at 01:46 PM ET

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I know this won’t be a popular post, but really before casting stones, the Red Wing fans should look back to where the organization was in the 70s. What the hell did the Dead Thingsneed Yzerman for? They weren’t going anywhere. Gordie Howe prefered to play in a minor league than the dump of the Olympia.  See how easy it is to have a ridiculous perspective.

There’s a difference between re-building around an 18-year-old kid and getting a 35-year-old man to shore up a team’s goaltending problem. Just sayin’.

Do the Isles deserve chances to improve their team? Absolutely. However, the onus is on them to use those chances wisely. The situation with Nabokov really is lose-lose. Tolling the contract doesn’t help the Isles now, the point of picking him up off of waivers.

Posted by Aphaea on 01/26/11 at 06:11 PM ET

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The threat of Tolling would ensure Nabokov meets his obligations this season, which is play half the games down the stretch so the Islanders can let Poulin develop in the minors.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 01/26/11 at 07:25 PM ET

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And Nabokov may just say screw it, and still not report. It’s not like he’s missing out on a huge payday from the Islanders.

Posted by Aphaea on 01/26/11 at 07:33 PM ET

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I really don’t mind their tolling his contract to let them know how serious they are and as a punitive measure.  Tolling it gives them more options as it comes to him.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 01/26/11 at 07:40 PM ET

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If Nabokov says screw it he misses his payday next year as well, and having played only half a season this year, sitting out next he’s 37 looking for work, but may still owe a year on the contract until it is eventually fulfilled.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 01/26/11 at 08:27 PM ET

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