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Nabokov Says No To The Islanders

from ESPN,

The New York Islanders claimed goaltender Evgeni Nabokov off waivers Saturday, a day after he signed a one-year deal with the Detroit Red Wings.

Nabokov, however, has decided not to report to the Islanders, source told ESPN.com Saturday afternoon.

continue for a recap of what has transpired in the last few days with Nabokov…

added 3:30pm, via Katie Strang tweet,

Snow wouldn’t discuss his plans if Nabokov doesn’t report: We will cross that bridge when we get there. To me that’s not an issue right now

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George Malik's avatar

The Red Wings’ reaction to the waiver pluck seems to indicate that Kenny Holland will NOT pursue Nabokov.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 06:06 PM ET

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Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 03:06 PM ET

Bad link

Posted by SnLO from the sub great-white north on 01/22/11 at 06:12 PM ET

Primis's avatar

Interesting twist to all of this.

To me, Malik and Paul, the more interesting thing is that Nabby’s agent publicly stated he’d report wherever he ended up.  Apparently is was a whole lot of BS.

So what happens now?  Do the Isles waive him again?

Posted by Primis on 01/22/11 at 06:13 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

Try this link instead…Sorry about that.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 06:16 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Primis, totally in the hands of the Islanders now. I can see them waiting for a trade offer, right up to the deadline.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 06:18 PM ET

Primis's avatar

I can see them waiting for a trade offer, right up to the deadline.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 03:18 PM ET

Why?

If he was on waivers before how much do they possibly think they could get?  Doesn’t make any sense…

Posted by Primis on 01/22/11 at 06:23 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Primis, someone could get injured or not be playing up to their standards as the playoff approaches.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 06:25 PM ET

John W.'s avatar

Primis, totally in the hands of the Islanders now. I can see them waiting for a trade offer, right up to the deadline.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 03:18 PM ET

But I thought they couldn’t trade him because he’d just go right back on waivers.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 01/22/11 at 06:27 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Hmm.  Interesting

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 01/22/11 at 06:28 PM ET

Paul's avatar

John W. that could be, but it depends on if another team put in a claim, which I assume another team did, then I think you are correct.

Hopefully this plays out quickly, then we can turn our attention to Floppa!

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 06:29 PM ET

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Bet anything Snow didn’t know he couldn’t flip Nabokov for a draft pick without putting him back on waivers. That’s the only possible reason for putting this claim in in the first place.

Or Snow’s just a moron.

Posted by StevieSteve on 01/22/11 at 06:30 PM ET

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Ken and Mick just said he’d have to go back on waivers before he could be traded.

Posted by Primis on 01/22/11 at 06:30 PM ET

Itrusteddrrahmani's avatar

I don’t understand that.  Why can’t they just trade him, why does he have to re-clear waivers if he’s being traded?  I mean I understand why he’d have to clear if he was being re-assigned or something, but why if he’s just being traded?

Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Nyc by way of A2 on 01/22/11 at 06:33 PM ET

John W.'s avatar

John W. that could be, but it depends on if another team put in a claim, which I assume another team did, then I think you are correct.

Hopefully this plays out quickly, then we can turn our attention to Floppa!

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 03:29 PM ET

Well, if no other team put in a claim, doesn’t Detroit still have a claim in?  So if they tried to trade him somewhere and no other team had put a claim in, wouldn’t he go to Detroit?  Basically what I’m saying is wouldn’t they just about have to trade him to us to get anything for him (assuming no other claims)?

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 01/22/11 at 06:38 PM ET

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I don’t understand that.  Why can’t they just trade him, why does he have to re-clear waivers if he’s being traded?  I mean I understand why he’d have to clear if he was being re-assigned or something, but why if he’s just being traded?

Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Ann Arbor on 01/22/11 at 03:33 PM ET

I think it’s for exactly this reason, so *#$%@& GM’s can’t just claim a guy they don’t need/want just to trade them to someone who does want them.  You’re not really supposed to sign a player just for the reason of trading him.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 01/22/11 at 06:41 PM ET

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Per TSN:

The contract Nabokov signed with the Red Wings includes a no-move clause and states that he cannot be put back on waivers without his permission. Also, he is ineligible to play in American Hockey League this season due to league rules regarding free agents coming from Europe after December 15.

So Snow says…

Islanders GM Garth Snow said he talked to Nabokov’s agent, Don Meehan, but wouldn’t elaborate on the conversation, although he expects Nabokov to honour his contract.

“I haven’t talked to the player yet, I’ve left messages,” Snow said. “We’ve booked him a flight out of Oakland and we look forward to having him be a part of our organization.”

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 06:41 PM ET

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The Red Wings’ reaction to the waiver pluck seems to indicate that Kenny Holland will NOT pursue Nabokov.

yeah, well Nabokov’s agent said he’d play wherever he ends up.  yet now he’s not.

something is up.  there are some back-room deals happening here, and we won’t know until we know.

what I’m hoping is that it makes Gary’s CBA look like a joke.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 01/22/11 at 06:42 PM ET

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Why can’t they just trade him, why does he have to re-clear waivers if he’s being traded?  I mean I understand why he’d have to clear if he was being re-assigned or something, but why if he’s just being traded?

if another team (or other teams) higher in the standings than the Islanders put in claims for him the first time around, those waiver claims have to be honored.

this stops teams from claiming someone off waivers just to stop someone else from getting him, and then trading him.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 01/22/11 at 06:46 PM ET

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I would have thought that Snow contacted Nabokov before he claimed him off waivers.  After all, why force a player to play for a team that he has no interest in playing with.  But then again, Snow is a moron just like the owner that hired him. cool smirk

Posted by Crow on 01/22/11 at 07:02 PM ET

Primis's avatar

After all, why force a player to play for a team that he has no interest in playing with.

Because then the Isles would have an empty roster otherwise?

Posted by Primis on 01/22/11 at 07:06 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

Via Craig Custance:

“He has decided not to report,” Nabokov’s agent Don Meehan wrote in an e-mail to Sporting News.

After leaving the KHL for family reasons, Nabokov has been waiting for the right situation in which to showcase his skills in the NHL. Playing for the rebuilding Islanders where he’d share time Rick DiPietro isn’t the ideal situation.

The Red Wings and Meehan worked out a one-year deal worth $570,000. Since Nabokov started this season playing overseas, he had to clear waivers before joining the Red Wings. He didn’t.

Now, the next move is up to Snow and the Islanders. He can be placed on waivers again or the Islanders could suspend him. Or they could hope he changes his mind.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 07:32 PM ET

Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

Nabokov to the NYI - No Soup For You!!

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 01/22/11 at 07:45 PM ET

Hippy Dave's avatar

If he’s placed on waivers again, don’t the Red Wings have the first rights to him?

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 01/22/11 at 07:45 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

Quotes from Snow via the AP:

“This was a good opportunity to get a quality goaltender with a proven track record,” Islanders general manager Garth Snow told The Associated Press.

However, several reports surfaced Saturday that Nabokov wouldn’t report to the Islanders, but Snow said he hadn’t been told that.

“That’s news to me,” said Snow, who added that he was waiting for a call back from Nabokov. “We got a player who has a standard player contract and we are looking forward to having him join our organization.”
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Snow said the Islanders have an airline ticket for Nabokov to fly from Oakland, Calif., to New York on Sunday when the Islanders will face the Buffalo Sabres in an afternoon game.

Nabokov’s new deal contains a no-move clause.

“When I put the claim in, I had no intention to claim him to move him by any means,” Snow said.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 07:46 PM ET

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As far as I know if he’s placed on waivers again, the lowest-ranked teams get to pick again.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 07:46 PM ET

SYF's avatar

[eats popcorn]

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 01/22/11 at 07:52 PM ET

John W.'s avatar

“When I put the claim in, I had no intention to claim him to move him by any means,” Snow said.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 04:46 PM ET

He is such a liar, that’s the ONLY reason for him to claim Nabby, he wanted to flip him for a pick/prospect, but he’s too stupid to realize a trade is tough to do when Nabby would have to clear waivers again.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 01/22/11 at 08:07 PM ET

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If he was on waivers before how much do they possibly think they could get?

Well, he was on waivers because a team signed him.  The fact that the Islanders claimed him off waivers means that somewhere between two and twenty-eight teams were interested in him.  The only teams we know weren’t interested in him are the Devils and Edmonton, because if either of them put a claim in, he wouldn’t be NYI’s property.  It’s possible that a lot of teams were interested, but didn’t bother to try to work something out, what with the outcomes of St Louis’s attempts to sign Svatos and Wellwood.

As far as I know if he’s placed on waivers again, the lowest-ranked teams get to pick again.

I thought I read somewhere that if he is put on waivers, the next lowest-ranked team to have already put in a claim would get him, and if no other teams put in a claim, then Detroit would be able to claim him again.

But I admit that my brain has been scrambled by trying to understand the waiver situation…

Posted by Garth on 01/22/11 at 08:12 PM ET

George Malik's avatar

When Bob McKenzie is confused as hell by the proceedings and he’s got a legal degree in addition to all his years of experience covering the game—and pals who know about the CBA—that tells you something about how complicated the waiver process is for players who return from Europe having played pro games after October 1st.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/22/11 at 08:17 PM ET

PaulinMiamiBeach's avatar

As far as I know if he’s placed on waivers again, the lowest-ranked teams get to pick again.

the way I saw it explained, of any teams who placed a waiver claim the first time around, those teams would get him in order of lowest standings position.  so the next team with a better record than NYI who put in a claim would get him.

if nobody else made a claim, then I think he just goes back into the general waivers again.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 01/22/11 at 08:26 PM ET

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via Islanders.com, As the hockey world waited to hear when Nabokov would report, Snow and his staff were busy preparing for the arrival of a new player.

“They are making his jersey as we speak,” Snow said. “We have reserved a flight tomorrow for him to get to Long Island as soon as possible.”

Snow dismissed any notions that Nabokov would not report indicating the clear rule that Nabokov has a standard player’s contract, making him the property of the Islanders. By late Saturday afternoon, Snow was waiting for Nabokov to return messages.

“Every thing is on the up-and-up,” Snow said. “I am waiting to speak to the player, but we have spoken to his agent Don Meehan and, as a veteran in this business he knows what is to come next.”

As per the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement, if a player claimed off waivers in this situation does not report to the team he was claimed by, he will not be permitted to play for another team in the NHL that season.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 08:27 PM ET

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Just out of curiosity, I found this:  Source.

Whats the deal with players playing in non-North American leagues who want to come over to the NHL after the season started. I heard they have to clear waivers first.
This is correct. In addition, in order for the team that acquired that player to trade or loan that player, they will need to clear waivers first. So, if the Oilers had tried to sign Jagr last year (part way into the NHL season, and while Jagr was playing in Europe), for example, they would have needed to first place him on waivers with all other 29 teams getting a free crack at him for the same contract. If no team put in a claim, the Oilers would get to keep him. Should they decide to later trade him to another club that season, or demote him to the minors (for example), he would need to be placed on waivers again, giving all 29 teams another crack at picking him up for the same contract… again.

(Source: Section 13.23 (b) of the CBA)

Confuse me with some more of this waiver talk, sage Racki… gimme some interesting factoids.
Here’s a little known tidbit. If Team A waives a player, and Team B claims them and later waives them in the season, and Team A is the only team to put in a claim for that player, they could then re-assign that player without them having to clear waivers again (so long as they do it within 30 days or before 10 NHL games are played by that player since reclaiming them).

(Source: Section 13.22 of the CBA)

I found it pretty neat as the article was written as recently as December 9, 2010.  Pretty cool is that it has specific citations that may help to resolve some of the mysteries of the Waiver Rules.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 01/22/11 at 08:55 PM ET

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And the neat thing is that article cites CapGeek’s PDF regarding the entire CBA.

Clicky.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 01/22/11 at 08:57 PM ET

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Snow’s stated reasoning would make sense if
a) Nabokov was on a two year deal
b) The Islanders were within spitting distance of the playoffs

Neither of these is true. So now Snow’s trying to bully a player that can’t help his team to report to a room with a bunch of guys who won’t want to play with him because he just dissed all of them publicly.

Dear Lord, is there any organization in sports that’s as big of a laughingstock as the Islanders?

I’d say the Pirates, but the Pirates were able to successfully talk a bunch of politicians into buying them an arena. Wang couldn’t even do that right.

Posted by StevieSteve on 01/22/11 at 09:35 PM ET

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As per the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement, if a player claimed off waivers in this situation does not report to the team he was claimed by, he will not be permitted to play for another team in the NHL that season.

Well, I guess that’s that.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 01/22/11 at 10:25 PM ET

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As per the NHL’s collective bargaining agreement, if a player claimed off waivers in this situation does not report to the team he was claimed by, he will not be permitted to play for another team in the NHL that season.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 05:27 PM ET

That’s funny, there seem to be 15 different versions of what the CBA “says”, and they all seem to conveniently fit whatever goal the person/team/agent/fan citing it is working towards.

I’m just sayin’...

My interest in this never was about Nabokov becoming a Wing.  We all knew this would be a circus and boy howdy… a circus it has become.  It fascinates me that they’ve been working under this CBA for how many years now, and NOBODY seems to actually understand how it works in many cases still.

Has there EVER been a waiver wire issue with THIS much interest, in the NHL’s history?  I’d doubt it…

Posted by Primis on 01/22/11 at 10:28 PM ET

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Some additional info from yahoo sports:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/news?slug=ap-islanders-nabokov

- Allegedly a source close to Nabokov said he wouldn’t report, not Nabokov himself.
- Snow hasn’t heard any indication he won’t report, but isn’t getting any calls back.
- “When I put the claim in, I had no intention to claim him to move him by any means,” Snow said.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 01/22/11 at 10:32 PM ET

Itrusteddrrahmani's avatar

thanks for the answers, makes sense they wouldn’t want GM’s signing guys just to trade them to teams who actually want the guy…excited to see the Isles sit on this K and screw Nabby out of playing this season.

Posted by Itrusteddrrahmani from Nyc by way of A2 on 01/22/11 at 11:30 PM ET

PaulinMiamiBeach's avatar

could it be that Nabokov made a deal with Detroit that he’d sign here in the offseason if they’d help get him back in the NHL, knowing that he would be claimed off waivers?  even though he might not play for the team in question, and would therefore not be able to play at all this season, it gets him back in the NHL, through the waiver process, and with a contract exactly how he wants - FA at the end of the season.

I predict on day 1 of the free agent period this summer, Nabby signs with Detroit.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 01/23/11 at 12:05 AM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Hopefully this plays out quickly, then we can turn our attention to Floppa!

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/22/11 at 03:29 PM ET

Thank you, Paul, for the little chuckle.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 01/23/11 at 12:25 PM ET

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