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“Our first and foremost goal is to sign Ryan. We’ve been trying to do that all season long. I’ve not accomplished that to this point, but we’re hoping to continue discussions and get that done at some point. We’ll be prepared, if we feel that we weren’t going to be able to sign Ryan, and if we thought we were in a position that we had to or should trade him. I’m certainly hoping that doesn’t happen, I don’t want that to happen, but I want to be prepared for that.”

-David Poile, GM of the Nashville Predators via Josh Cooper of Predators Insider.

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Wow, that was a very forthcoming statement from Poile.  I’m impressed he was so open and honest about the situation with trying to sign Suter.  It’s neat as a hockey fan to get a little glimpse into how some GMs work.

Good to know he’s open to trades as well, I’m sure there are plenty of other teams hoping he has to resort to that.

Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 01/10/12 at 01:03 PM ET

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Good to know he’s open to trades as well, I’m sure there are plenty of other teams hoping he has to resort to that.

I hope the season ends with him hoping he can sign Suter only to not be able to, because if he can’t sign Suter by the deadline there is no way in hell that he trades Suter to the Wings…

Posted by Garth on 01/10/12 at 01:06 PM ET

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It doesn’t matter if they keep all 3 of Suter, Weber, and Rinne.  Unless they’re willing to open up their wallets to get some other real players, those 3 are basically wasting away the prime of their careers.

I firmly believe Weber will leave and shop the market anyways in a year.

Posted by Primis on 01/10/12 at 01:09 PM ET

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Our first and foremost goal is to sign Ryan. We’ve been trying to do that all season long. But the son of a bitch just won’t sign for eight years at $3M per.

There. Fixed. smile

I’ve posted the info below before, and nothing has changed. Unless they up their payroll by at least $10M per year, or Suter and Weber both sign for less than Ericsson makes, there’s no way in hell they can sign them both.

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As for signing Suter first and then Weber, the sky would have to rain money on Nashville for that to happen. They made signing both of those guys virtually impossible when they handed Rinne $7M per year.

It’s simple math…
Rinne: $7,000,000
Legwand: $4,500,000
Erat: $4,500,000
Fisher: $4,000,000
Hornqvist: $3,000,000
Buyouts (Dumont & Lebda): $1,800,000

That’s a total of $24,800,000 for 5 players plus the two buyouts. Weber will surely get at least the same as Rinne, so that brings it up to $34,8000 for 6 players.

Nashville spent $50,000,000 this year, and it’s highly unlikely they’ll be able to spend a dime more than that next year. So that leaves them about $15,000,000 with which to sign Suter and at least 15 other players – with $2,450,000 of that amount already committed to Spaling and Klein.

With the league clamping down on long-term deals like the one NJ tried to get away with for Kovalchuk, Nashville probably won’t be able to get Weber’s or Suter’s cap hits below $6,000,000 each. So if they signed both of them for that amount, they’d only have about 10M with which to sign 15 players. It just ain’t gonna happen.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 01/10/12 at 04:27 PM ET

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As for signing Suter first and then Weber, the sky would have to rain money on Nashville for that to happen.

That’s why they’re pursuing Suter first.  He’s a UFA while Weber is an RFA, so if they sign him they can go into the off-season with Rinne and one of the stud defensemen under contract.

Then they can either trade Weber’s rights and get something in return or they can sign Weber and trade Suter.  That way they don’t lose either one of them for nothing.

Posted by Garth on 01/10/12 at 05:07 PM ET

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That’s why they’re pursuing Suter first.  He’s a UFA while Weber is an RFA, so if they sign him they can go into the off-season with Rinne and one of the stud defensemen under contract.

But they still have to sign Weber to “something” for next year, and he has the right to take the Preds to arbitration. He makes $7.5M now. Do you think an arbitrator would award him less than that? I don’t.

The only way for the Preds to get his salary for next year below $7.5M is to sign him to a long-term contract. But there’s no way he’s going to settle for less than a $6M per year average. And that means there are only two ways the Preds can sign both Weber and Suter. One, Suter has to take less than $3M per year. Or, two, the Preds have to add between $8M and $10M to their salary structure.

I’m no pharmacist (or an accountant) but I don’t see any way in hell they will (or can) do either of those things.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 01/10/12 at 08:08 PM ET

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Heh.  Who’d-a thunk that the very same hard salary cap that’s supposed to help the small markets is basically handcuffing them to retain their primo defensemen.  Now that they’ve gone into the second round after so many years of first round exits, they’re in a bind they’re only beginning to understand.

Pick ‘em apart, Tick Tock.

Posted by SYF from Alana Blanchard's Bikinis and Surfboards on 01/10/12 at 08:24 PM ET

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But they still have to sign Weber to “something” for next year, and he has the right to take the Preds to arbitration.

Not necessarily.  With him being an RFA they can deal his rights any time between the end of the season and whenever he might file for arbitration.  It wouldn’t be the same as trading an asset under contract, but they could still get something for him.

Who’d-a thunk that the very same hard salary cap that’s supposed to help the small markets is basically handcuffing them to retain their primo defensemen.

I’m not sure it’s the league’s salary can so much as the owner’s self-imposed salary cap that’s going to handcuff them.

Posted by Garth on 01/10/12 at 09:27 PM ET

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With him being an RFA they can deal his rights any time between the end of the season and whenever he might file for arbitration.

Of course they can. They can trade him anytime they want – but that’s not the point. And it wasn’t what I was responding to in your original comment. You said: “...so if they sign him they can go into the off-season with Rinne and one of the stud defensemen under contract.”

The Preds are looking to sign both Weber and Suter. And I’m saying that’s impossible.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 01/11/12 at 01:28 AM ET

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I’m not sure it’s the league’s salary can so much as the owner’s self-imposed salary cap that’s going to handcuff them.

Posted by Garth on 01/10/12 at 07:27 PM ET

Completely forgot about that, Garth, and it’s a consortium of several Nashville businessmen who comprise that group.

Per CapGeek’s NSH page,$14 million in cap space for the 2011-2012 season.  Largest cap space and the lowest payroll in the league.

Posted by SYF from Alana Blanchard's Bikinis and Surfboards on 01/11/12 at 04:09 AM ET

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