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So if the NHL wants to walk the walk of a big-time sports league it needs to sort itself out on this kind of stuff, and pronto.

Of course, the NHL could also try and ape the WWE, but has anyone at the league office looked at World Wrestling Entertainment’s financials lately? How’s that working out?

By all accounts, Asham isn’t a bad person, and he’s far from the only one importing bloodsport-style showmanship, but this is yet another pivot point for the NHL, and it says here old Ash is the guy who will pay the freight.

Sometimes saying sorry just doesn’t cut it.

-Sean Gordon of the Globe and Mail where you can read more on this topic.

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It’s called adrenaline and it makes you say and do loopy things. It’s why boxing and MMA journalists usually use quotes from the post-fight presser, not the post-fight interview (unless, for instance, one guy calls another guy out like Chael Sonnen did recently).

Hockey fighting’s a combat sport that exists within another sport. Asham shouldn’t have done what he did with the excessive celebration (he said as much), but Sean Gordon needs to get over himself. A fight isn’t the Queen of England’s birthday party, replete with scripted, wooden pleasantries.

Posted by steviesteve on 10/14/11 at 02:31 PM ET

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Hate to agree with this article, but I do. The fight was a clean fight, and getting knocked out cold is the risk you take when you agree to drop the gloves. But the way Asham showboated after was pretty low brow. If I had to guess, Asham is probably a solid guy and probably felt bad about acting a fool as soon as he was in the box.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 10/14/11 at 03:10 PM ET

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I can’t dissagree more. In the NFL the players carry on more after makin a first down. They taunt after big hits all the time. It happens 5 to 6 times a game at least. This has been goin on in the NHL forever, Domi did it all the time, with the speed bag and heavyweight belt pose. By this logic, there is no big time sports leagues as you put it. It happens in all of them, the NHL is the one it happens the least in. Sounds more like this was written by someone with an anit Penguin Bias. I would put the NHL players ahead of any other big time league in class and honesty. Things happen once every few years and everyone gets over sensitive about it. Thats what happens, this is Hockey, fighting is a part of it. Relax

Posted by PenguinJuice on 10/14/11 at 03:21 PM ET

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I said it in the other thread on this:

I have not been anti-fighting, but if allowing fighting means we have to allow this nonsense as well, then I want fighting the heck out of the game pronto.

No taunts.  No prize fight arm-raising.  No Aaron Rodgers double-check discount references.  I can understand a guy taking another down and then yelling at him or something, or even continuing to try and get at him…  THAT’S adrenaline.  Things like Asham’s actions though… that’s not about the team or anything other than HIMSELF.  It’s selfish showboating, plain and simple.

There is no excuse, no reasoning.  Pens just fans have an endless list of excuses for idiots like Asham and Cooke it seems, it’s NEVER their fault they’re just doing what they’re supposed to.  I guess Steckel and Hedman just did what they were supposed to then as well…

Citing Tie Domi doing something as to why it should be allowed is completely laughable.

Posted by Primis on 10/14/11 at 03:46 PM ET


penguins fans are always going to stand up for their players, but this really is not the case here… the fact is, asham is a good guy and made a mistake that anyone who has *ever* fought in the lives knows all about.  No way should he be punished for this… no way!

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 10/14/11 at 03:57 PM ET


By that rationale goals should be banned. Hey, no room in sports for something that might occasionally cause a celebration by a guy who’s jacked up on adrenaline.

Also, the Islanders did this thing where they lined up and high-fived each other at the three stars selection. Ban the three star ceremony, I guess.

The only rational reason to ban fighting is if it’s decided that the damage it can cause exceeds the benefit. But that’s another discussion entirely.

Look up the word taunt, while you’re at it. You’re using it wrong.

Posted by steviesteve on 10/14/11 at 03:58 PM ET


As a Caps fan obviously I thought the taunting was wrong but the fight was what’s right with fighting. It wasn’t 2 goons looking to change momentum it was a tough guy thinking their best player Letang was being treated unfairly and the other guy who’s not a fighter sticking up for himself. Guy immediately apologized and realized what he did was classless, so what’s the big deal?

Posted by eric from baltimore on 10/14/11 at 05:29 PM ET

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Guy immediately apologized and realized what he did was classless, so what’s the big deal?

Posted by eric from baltimore on 10/14/11 at 03:29 PM ET

Because he’s allegedly a grown man and shouldn’t have made the mistake even in the first place?  Is it so much to expect out of players that they not act like that in the first place?

Posted by Primis on 10/14/11 at 06:01 PM ET

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It’s Hockey, it is a physical emotional game. Things happen quick. Its not like Asham hit him with a cheep shot. Beagle is 6’3 and like 215, and agreed to drop the gloves. Im pretty sure when Cooke put his knee in Ovechkin’s you would have been happy if someone knocked him out in a fight. The code is, if you mess with the other teams top players you answer the Bell. Thats why Hockey is great, you can police things on the ice (with limits).  The only change I wanna see in hockey is smaller goalie pads, and smaller shoulder pads. Shanny will handle the cheap shots and hits from behind. The players will adjust after a year or two. Asham was tryin to pump up the crowd and the bench, and just got caught up in the moment. As long as there is fighting, thats gonna happen on occasion. Just because Detriot does not have the bruise brothers anymore, does not mean every team has to follow the mold of the current Red Wings roster.

Posted by PenguinJuice on 10/14/11 at 06:19 PM ET

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