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It’s time for the NHLPA to come to its senses, if dollars and cents are truly what matters. On Monday, the players lost their first full paycheck and with games cancelled through November, they will have forfeited over 25 percent of their 2012-2013 salary by the end of this month. 

Keep this up and that “make whole” provision will start to make a whole lot of sense.

-John Boruk of CSN Philly where you can read more on the NHLPA.

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The billionaires can wait out the millionaires. Pretty basic concept.

You’ll start to see cracks in the PA. Players who only have a year or two left and the players who ‘only’ make a mil or two per year will start to sweat.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/02/12 at 10:21 AM ET

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The billionaires can wait out the millionaires. Pretty basic concept.

You’ll start to see cracks in the PA. Players who only have a year or two left and the players who ‘only’ make a mil or two per year will start to sweat.

100% agree.

The NHLPA’s last, best chance at a deal is before the NHL cancels the Winter Classic.  Yes, I am sure they will be pissed off at having to go from 57 to 50% of HRR, even though in real dollars they’ll be back to the total amount they were making last year in 36-48 months, give or take.

Labor stoppages only work for the workers when they hold the financial leverage. 

Speaking generally, what the NHL is trying to do is get things to the point where the NHLPA might actually have some legitimate financial leverage in future CBA negotiations.  They aren’t trying to do that on purpose and I’m pretty sure the thought has never crossed the minds of any of the borderline incompetents who work in Toronto, but still.

If the NHLPA has anyone, anyone with any kind of long-term strategic thinking they absolutely have to be thinking a couple more moves ahead.  Yes, it sucks to give up some player share up front.  However, if you do that you can create an environment where you can really start to squeeze the league on a bunch of non-revenue perks and whatnot.  Contract lengths, FA availability, Escrow, maybe even revenue definitions down the line.  All sorts of stuff.

As soon as the financials get to the point where the owners actually have something significant to lose, suddenly the NHLPA has a whole lot larger of a stick to brandish at the bargaining table.   

Right now, they’re a joke.  The NHL has planned for this lockout very carefully and while a couple players have (Suter, Parise for instance), most haven’t.  That’s why the NHLPA was dead from the start.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/02/12 at 12:27 PM ET

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I think Shea Weber thought this out better than the owners and NHLPA combined with that fat signing bonus. Can you imagine Wade Redden? He was making more in the AHL than the NHL due to not having escrow withholding and the only way he made it back to the NHL is o avoid paying him altogether.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 11/02/12 at 02:16 PM ET

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If the NHLPA has anyone, anyone with any kind of long-term strategic thinking they absolutely have to be thinking a couple more moves ahead

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I think this is the key to Fehr’s thinking. If they are going to 50/50 and we all think it will get there no matter how defined, he’s holding out for different issues and to make sure it isn’t a 30/70 split in 5 years time. We can’t look at this negotiation as if it is all about the next CBA, it is about the strength of the union in general and how a post Bettman/Fehr CBA will look like.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 11/02/12 at 02:18 PM ET

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I think Shea Weber thought this out better than the owners and NHLPA combined with that fat signing bonus.

That’s part of the reason I got such a kick out of Suter shooting off his mouth.  Dude got an 8 figure signing bonus upfront.  That wasn’t an accident.

I think this is the key to Fehr’s thinking. If they are going to 50/50 and we all think it will get there no matter how defined, he’s holding out for different issues and to make sure it isn’t a 30/70 split in 5 years time.

I don’t think so.  Again, there isn’t a single financial outcome with regards to this current holdout that works out for the NHLPA.  Not one.  If they end up missing a year there is no way they will ever make that money back.  The same thing happened last time.  The NHLPA held out for a year, lost 100% of that years revenue, and then ended up giving back in the new deal anyway.

The same thing is going to happen here.

The smart negotiating move is to trade HRR now and get 6 years at 50% instead of holding out and getting 5 years at 50%.  Or less.

The NHLPA is acting like hothead at the end of the game a team can always egg on into taking a stupid penalty.  They are so pissed at Bettman they’re taking a run at him, and all that happens is Bettman gets up, grins at them, and then the NHL scores on the ensuing powerplay.

Bettman = Jordin Tootoo.

Keep your head in the game, NHLPA.  Make the smart play, not the pissed play.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/02/12 at 02:34 PM ET

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with regards to this current holdout that works out for the NHLPA

Except caving in too esaily makes you the equivalent of the NFL player’s union. I still say it isn’t about just this CBA, but the ground rules for the next. If the players give in too soon, they can say goodbye to guaranteed contracts, free agency and arbitration in the next CBA. They aren’t fighting the last war, but the next.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 11/02/12 at 03:26 PM ET

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Except caving in too esaily makes you the equivalent of the NFL player’s union.

What, players in a league with a 120 million dollar plus salary cap?  Those poor bastards.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/02/12 at 03:40 PM ET

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What, players in a league with a 120 million dollar plus salary cap?  Those poor bastards.

Twice the cap and three times the revenue.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/12 at 03:49 PM ET

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“Twice the cap and three times the revenue.”

That twice the cap space is spread among 53 players not 23 so it isn’t really twice the cap space, it is less cap space per player.

Posted by clownfat on 11/02/12 at 03:58 PM ET

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Twice the cap and three times the revenue.

Maybe if they held out a couple seasons it would have been even higher?

Or, you know, not.  They’d just be two seasons worth of pay poorer.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 11/02/12 at 04:01 PM ET

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I’m just saying, that when it comes to compare the unions, the NFLPA probably got it the worst of any of them.  They’re not poor bastards compared to us, but we’re not comparing them to us; we’re comparing them to other professional athletes.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/12 at 04:07 PM ET

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I don’t compare NFL athletes to myself and I don’t compare myself to the homeless either. Considering how much money the NFL makes, can we not agree that NFL players have the worst deal?

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 11/02/12 at 04:11 PM ET

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