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Morning Line- Lyle Richardson On Tyler Myers

 I chuckle whenever I read people disparaging Myers and questioning why anyone would want to acquire him. He’s a big blueliner with plenty of skill and at 23 has plenty of time to blossom into a true top-two defenseman. Put him on a deeper club and he’ll shine. That’s also why the Sabres are leery to part with him, and why they’ve set the asking price so high.  

-Lyle Richardson of Spector's Hockey where you can read more in his Rumor Mill post.

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Finally someone with common sense.

Posted by George0211 on 11/13/14 at 11:39 AM ET

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I don’t agree that the players around him are to blame.  Myers has had some good dmen around him and it never seems to have helped.

That’s part of why I’m skeptical that plugging him in to say DET’s defensive corps would actually do anything.

I will say, the fancy stats sure do seem to show that Myers is more valuable than the other names being bandied about as available.  The numbers he does have and get, he gets against tough competition without being sheltered w/ offensive zone starts.

I also don’t buy that the Sabres truly value him the way they say.  If they did, he wouldn’t be available given his size, age, etc.  That they’re willing to part with him in any way means they see something they don’t like, and they apparently just want to fleece someone to move him.  I sure don’t ever hear about them moving Pysyk or Ristolainen.

Posted by Primis on 11/13/14 at 11:43 AM ET

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Myers has had some good dmen around him and it never seems to have helped.

Really?  Because before this year he had 48 and 37 points in two full seasons and had two seasons in which he was on pace for 30 and 34 points each if he played the full 82 games.  The only truly bad season he had was the 2012-13.

That they’re willing to part with him in any way means they see something they don’t like

Why are people pretending that a team who is on pace for 39 points is one that makes good decisions?

If Edmonton put Nugent-Hopkins or Taylor Hall on the block would everyone we brushing them off as obviously damaged goods because the amazing Edmonton organization were giving up on him?

I sure don’t ever hear about them moving Pysyk or Ristolainen.

Well, neither of them has much experience under their belts and between the two of them they have less than 20 career points.

Jeez, I wonder why people looking for proven, experienced NHL talent to bolster their blue lines today aren’t falling over themselves to trade for unproven, inexperienced prospects…

Posted by Garth on 11/13/14 at 11:56 AM ET

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Garth you’re a *#$%@&, but you make good points.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 11/13/14 at 12:14 PM ET

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Myers, at 23, has tremendous upside. He’s shown the potential is there. You’re paying a lot for that potential, but you’re getting a relatively solid guy in return, even if he never improves anymore. The Wings have the parts for a deal, just a matter of how much they’d wanna give up. Then there is the question of what other options exist (not many), and what is their price. Ideally, the other option is a guy already in the system and the price is just time, but that’s not likely right now.

Myers seems like the best option, but Detroit can’t give up Mantha, which might be a deal-breaker either way.

Posted by awould on 11/13/14 at 12:44 PM ET

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Really?  Because before this year he had 48 and 37 points in two full seasons and had two seasons in which he was on pace for 30 and 34 points each if he played the full 82 games.  The only truly bad season he had was the 2012-13.

Posted by Garth on 11/13/14 at 10:56 AM ET

He’s a defensman, Garth.  And that’s the problem.  Defensively, he makes decisions like Kindl does.  And IMO he does a very lousy job of utilizing his large frame defensively (has nothing to do with physicality BTW).

That’s the problem here.  Defensively, DET may as well have Smith or Quincey back there right now IMO.  You’re getting a guy that is still very raw, and has played enough seasons he shouldn’t be.  I know dmen develop differently and slowly, but this his SIXTH NHL season.  Sixth.

I’m sorry, if you’re in a sixth NHL season and the word “raw” is still being tossed about to describe you, that’s a pretty huge red flag, Garth.  After a while, potential stops being a thing.  How exactly do you get to six seasons and not improve enough to lose the “raw” and “potential” tag anyways?

Posted by Primis on 11/13/14 at 01:48 PM ET

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Defensemen notoriously take longer to develop, and that’s not going to be hastened by being drafted by a crappy team and make the jump right from the CHL to the NHL, playing 23 minutes per night in your rookie year, there are going to be hiccups.

He’s been playing big minutes on a crap team his entire career but still managed to not be a minus player in three of his five years.

And he’s still just 24, which is still young for an NHLer and practically an infant by NHL defenseman standards.  He’s three years younger than Kindl and has nearly triple his points.

After a while, potential stops being a thing.  How exactly do you get to six seasons and not improve enough to lose the “raw” and “potential” tag anyways?

When, even with six seasons under your belt, you’re still only 24 and you’re being leaned on to play massive minutes on a shit team.

Seriously, 24 is when you give up on a player?

Posted by Garth on 11/13/14 at 02:11 PM ET

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@ Primis

Just saying… He’s 24… He’s still young, even if you’ve played 6 NHL seasons. He has a lot to learn about life, being a man etc… That changes how you play hockey. So yes, there is potential and I don’t think he is raw. I do think that to get anything of value, you need to give something in value. I just don’t think ANY nhl club is sitting there thinking.. Yea, I think a Kindl/Smith and a 2nd is good enough to get this guy… It’s more like a Tartar and 1st and 3rd pick or something. It just seems like you wouldn’t want this guy on your team even if we traded just a Kindl/Smith…

Posted by Pasha1277 on 11/13/14 at 02:16 PM ET

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Just seems odd to me that Buff wants to move a guy as young as he is, especially having paid out the expensive portion of the contact.  You’d be trading away a 23 year old for picks and someone else in their 20s.

I don’t think they see continued upside in him, and I think they’ll move him this year before any more time on his contact is spent.

Posted by TreKronor on 11/13/14 at 02:29 PM ET

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