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Man-Games Lost To Injury

from James Mirtle of the Globe and Mail,

While the NHL doesn't release these numbers publicly, most of the 30 NHL teams track their man-games lost to injury during the season and provide them to local media.

Here are their totals, sorted by man-games lost per game, as of their most recent game:

 

Teams

GP

MGL

MGL/G

1

Detroit

33

186

5.64

2

Florida

34

163

4.79

3

Ottawa

33

158

4.79

 

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Cola shouldnt count towards that.  Nobody but Holland thought that he would actually play for the team the entire season.

Posted by Hootinani on 03/27/13 at 04:49 PM ET

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What gives you the impression Holland thought that?

We already had Kronwall, Ericsson, Kindl, Quincey, Smith and White.  Colaiacovo was a backup plan since we missed out on Suter and Salo.

Posted by Heaton on 03/27/13 at 04:52 PM ET

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we missed out on Suter and Salo.

And Carle. And Garrison. And Schultz.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 03/27/13 at 05:23 PM ET

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What gives you the impression Holland thought that?

Because backup plans don’t get two year deals.

Because he knew that Babcock wouldn’t give Kindl a chance unless he absolutely had to.

Because I said so.

Posted by Garth on 03/27/13 at 05:40 PM ET

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I have pointed out many times a link between injury and age of team.  Older teams tend to get injured more often.  Detroit remains an older team and leads the league in man-games lost to injury.

Many of the posters have jumped up and down to tell me that I am wrong and it is just a fluke that year in and year out Detroit has had more injury problems than most teams over the last few years as they have been an older team.  I think part of the motivation for this argument is that some people here viocusly attack any seen as anti-Wing regardless of its truth,

To those who say the link between the Wings age and injuries is just a fluke, all I can say is look there is yet another fluke this year.  Does this string of flukes look like a pattern to anyone else?

Posted by PuckStopsHere on 03/27/13 at 05:48 PM ET

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Because backup plans don’t get two year deals.

And because Holland signed him in a panic after losing out on virtually every other breathing defenseman on the market. And you don’t make panic moves as a plan to stockpile d-men.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 03/27/13 at 05:50 PM ET

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I have pointed out many times a link between injury and age of team.  Older teams tend to get injured more often.  Detroit remains an older team and leads the league in man-games lost to injury.

Thanks Richard.  This isn’t a case of an aged Wing getting hurt, it’s an example of Ken Holland making a ridiculous signing.

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 03/27/13 at 05:51 PM ET

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Seriously, Carlo’s not exactly old.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 03/27/13 at 06:07 PM ET

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Bert and Samuelson are really the only guys having missed more than a few games that you can really point to as old for the Wings.  Without them the Wings still sit in the top 5 of man games lost.  But then you’d have to not count the “old” injured guys from other teams too, so I don’t really see the point of trying to label the Wings’ injury problems this year as a product of and “old” team.

Posted by Valek from Chicago on 03/27/13 at 06:17 PM ET

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Detroit is the 11th oldest team this season. 
The Penguins are older and near the lowest in Man Games lost.  Ottawa is near the youngest, and is right up there with Detroit in man games lost.

Just from glancing at the rankings of man games lost and average age, it doesn’t look like there is much of a correlation.

Posted by jwad on 03/27/13 at 06:32 PM ET

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I have pointed out many times a link between injury and age of team. 

Tell you what, I’d bet if you tossed in a ‘man games lost for players 30 and under’ stat Detroit would be right at the top of that one, too.

Further, Ottawa’s at #3 in man games lost… but they’re the 22nd oldest team?

Speaking at the most broad, there is a link between age and injury.  The problem is that it’s very tough to make that statement mean anything at the team level because players may or may not be injury prone regardless of age.

Heck, just look at this years team.  Helm and Colaiacovo have missed essentially the whole year and they’re both 30 and under.  Howard missed some time, so did Smith, so did Fil, so did Franzen, so did Datsyuk, and Zetterberg, and now Quincey, etc.

Trying to pass the Wings injury problems off on age when the large majority of injuries are happening to guys who aren’t old is, mostly, stupid.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 03/27/13 at 07:47 PM ET

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Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 03/27/13 at 05:50 PM ET

Exactly.

Lashoff and Huskins were backup plans.

Colaiacovo was panic, pure and simple.

Posted by Garth on 03/27/13 at 08:22 PM ET

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Considering the quality of those man games missed by the Sens, without their best center, their best D, their best goalie, their (realistically) 3rd best D, and their leading goal scorer last season, their season is freakin remarkable.

Posted by Chris M on 03/27/13 at 08:39 PM ET

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@PSH

What data are you using to claim that Detroit is one of the older teams in the league?  Their opening day roster?  The best I can find which appears to be a current snapshot is that Detroit roster is 12 in the league.  Although I believe this factors in players like Tatar and Mursak who are no longer on the active roster.

There were a few problems with your original post on the subject back in 2010-2011.  This is all based on memory so feel free to point out any errors that I have made.  At the time, Detroit had a rash of injuries after staying relatively healthy for the first few months of the season.  The “fluke” injury most posters were bothered with was Mike Modano’s wrist being slashed open by a skate blade, Stuart’s jaw being broken by a blind side hit and Datsyuk breaking his wrist on a funky landing.  When this point was raised, you simply restated your opinion that age = more injury prone while ignoring the specifics of Detroit’s injured players (at the time both Osgood and Draper were out with clearly age related injuries, hips/knees).

It was also somewhat odd as at the time the Islanders and Oilers were right up there in terms of game lost to injury and they were two of the younger teams.  You attributed this to them shutting down and writing off the season.

Another poster pointed out at the time of your post more than half the league had lost more man games to injury than Detroit, and that Detroit simply had hit a rash of injuries that they had avoid earlier in the season.

You may have addressed it and I may have simply missed your post but did you ever go back at the end of that season and examine the man-games lost to injury and roster age?  The best data I can find on the subject was also from Mirtle with about ten games left in the season in mid March.  By then Detroit had managed to get healthy and was 12 on the list well behind the Islanders, Avs and Devils who were the top three teams in terms of man games lost (NYI and COL both had well over a 100 more than DET).  Unfortunately the only team roster age data I’m able to find on that season relates to the opening day roster as well but I’d bet a couple of donuts that both the Islanders and Avs were in the top third of the league for youngest teams.

The larger problem with your earlier post was confirmation basis.

Back to the current day roster:

The bulk of Detroit’s games lost to injury are from Bertuzzi, Samuelsson, Coloaiacovo and Helm.  Bertuzzi’s back and Samuelsson’s groin are re-injuries and I’m perfectly content to believe are related to the wear and tear these two older players have taken over their careers.  You’ve convinced me.  If you want to argue that Samuelsson broken fingers are related to his age and that a 24 year old in the same situation wouldn’t have broken his fingers, I’m all ears.  Coloaiacovo is now 30, so if you want to argue that his injury is do to age I’d also be interested to see your argument.  I’d argue that Coloaiacovo is injuried because he’s Carlo Coloaiacovo and Carlo Coloaiacovo had been an extremely injury prone player over his entire career.  Helm is only 26 so clearly he doesn’t fit the pattern.  However, I’m scared that he’s a player who could have a promising career cut short by injuries.

The only other players on the roster who have missed more than 10 games are Smith and Mursak so they don’t count either.

Posted by Django on 03/27/13 at 10:32 PM ET

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