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Letang, Michalek Sent Back To Pittsburgh For Evaluation

via Dave Molinari of the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette,

Penguins defensemen Kris Letang and Zbynek Michalek will be returning to Pittsburgh for further evaluation of medical issues.

That means defensemen Robert Bortuzzo and Alexandre Picard, both of whom were recalled from Wilkes-Barre this afternoon, figure to be in the Penguins’ lineup against the New York Rangers tonight.

Letang has a broken nose and might be suffering other problems after taking a blindside hit in the face from Montreal’s Max Pacioretty Saturday.

There is no word on the nature of Michalek’s problem, although he recently missed 10 games because of a broken finger and did leave the Montreal game early.

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J.J. from Kansas's avatar

So maybe Red Fisher isn’t so much a whiner now, huh?

If this is concussion-related in the case of Letang, I’d like to see an investigation into how he was allowed back on the ice after the Pacioretty hit.

Because this:

What I’m really saying is that the organization’s decision was even more reckless than the Pacioretty hit … that somebody up there has a thought process badly twisted out of shape.

Is right the hell on as far as I’m concerned.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/29/11 at 09:41 PM ET

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Or how about a criminal investigation into the Letang hit? It’s been proven that concussion symptoms (which I don’t think is the case here) can take a few days to show up. Some hack writer from Montreal can do some research before writing some drivel.

Posted by cs6687 on 11/29/11 at 09:45 PM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/29/11 at 06:41 PM ET

My thoughts exactly.

Also, I thought that there was a mandatory period of time that a player had to spend in the quiet room after ANY hit to the head.  I don’t recall the exact wording surrounding that and I’m too lazy to look it up.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 09:47 PM ET

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Posted by cs6687 on 11/29/11 at 06:45 PM ET

How about just treating it the same way the entire league has agreed to treat ALL hits to the head?

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 09:49 PM ET

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Or maybe the team who lost its star player for nearly an entire year has either a medical staff or a coach who will take wildly irresponsible risks with the safety of players and needs to be dealt with.

Of course I’m jumping to conclusions, but what else makes sense for Letang?  Is his broken nose running?

All I want is an investigation.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/29/11 at 09:49 PM ET

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NHL players who show signs of a concussion will be taken away from the bench area, and must be examined by a doctor in a quiet room removed from the ice.

Again, concussion symptoms don’t always show immediately.

http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/concussion/DS00320/DSECTION=symptoms

If Montreal hadn’t lost the game and Letang hadn’t scored the winner, we’d be hearing none of this.

Posted by cs6687 on 11/29/11 at 09:51 PM ET

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Posted by cs6687 on 11/29/11 at 06:51 PM ET

Wow, your view is fuched up.  This has nothing to do with who won an OT game in the regular seasone between 2 LEastern conference opponents.  It has EVERYTHING to do with player health and safety and potentially irresponsible behavior by medical staff/management.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 09:54 PM ET

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clearly cs, it took Crosby another game to realize he had one.. which is why it’d make sense that particular orginization would’ve started taking measures to help the long-term health and safety of their players.. just saying..

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 11/29/11 at 09:56 PM ET

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If Montreal hadn’t lost the game and Letang hadn’t scored the winner, we’d be hearing none of this.

I don’t care who won the damn game. This story comes from a Pittsburgh writer.  If Red Fisher hadn’t brought it up this morning, rest assured that somebody would be picking up the torch tonight and asking the exact same question he did.

Perhaps maybe a November regular season game wasn’t the right time for the team to be chancing that a guy who just got blasted in the face wasn’t going to start showing obvious symptoms.

At its best, even chancing it was a reckless move on the part of the Penguins. At worst, it was an unforgivable breach of professional ethics.  The former is more likely, but only slightly more comforting.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/29/11 at 10:03 PM ET

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Wow, your view is fuched up.  This has nothing to do with who won an OT game in the regular seasone between 2 LEastern conference opponents.  It has EVERYTHING to do with player health and safety and potentially irresponsible behavior by medical staff/management.

LEastern Conference? Another cute nickname from the bitchiest NHL fan base. I know it has to do with player safety and medical issues. If you can read the article I posted, it shows that symptoms aren’t always immediately present. If there’s no symptoms present, then there’s no reason to take him back to the room. So you can stop with your bs, loser.

Posted by cs6687 on 11/29/11 at 10:03 PM ET

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NHL players who show signs of a concussion will be taken away from the bench area, and must be examined by a doctor in a quiet room removed from the ice.

Right.

And NOBODY who saw this hit:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp0Zc2Js6KI

With the clear shot to the head, Letang falling the ice clutching his head, bleeding from his head, could possibly think that maybe he should be checked out for a concussion right?

I mean, it’s not like the guy who just just came back from ten months away due to a concussion was clearly motioning to the ref that it was an elbow to the head, right?

Yes, he came back and scored the game winner.  Good for the Pens.

What if this happened instead?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sfiMs4l38A

But yeah.  Who gives a flying *#$%@& about player health because the Pens won a regular season game, right?

Posted by Garth on 11/29/11 at 10:03 PM ET

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If there’s no symptoms present, then there’s no reason to take him back to the room.

Absolutely right.  If there are no immediate symptoms, even though you’ve point out that symptoms don’t show up immediately, we should all assume he’s OK.

Are you out of your god damn mind?

Posted by Garth on 11/29/11 at 10:07 PM ET

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LEastern Conference? Another cute nickname from the bitchiest NHL fan base. I know it has to do with player safety and medical issues. If you can read the article I posted, it shows that symptoms aren’t always immediately present. If there’s no symptoms present, then there’s no reason to take him back to the room. So you can stop with your bs, loser.

Posted by cs6687 on 11/29/11 at 07:03 PM ET

You’re really raging at me when you are the one who should be the maddest out of all of us at your own organization’s decision to risk a star player’s health?  ooooookaaay… 

“The NHL Protocol for Concussion Evaluation and Management has been revised in three areas: 1) Mandatory removal from play if a player reports any listed symptoms or shows any listed signs (loss of consciousness … Motor incoordination/balance problems … Slow to get up following a hit to the head … blank or vacant look … Disorientation (unsure where he is) … Clutching the head after a hit … Visible facial injury in combination with any of the above). 2) Examination by the team physician (as opposed to the athletic trainer) in a quiet place free from distraction. 3) Team physician is to use ‘an acute evaluation tool’ such as the NHL SCAT 2 [SCAT stands for Sports Concussion Assessment Tool] as opposed to a quick rinkside assessment.”

Letang was:
A) slow to get up
B) clutching his head
C) visibly injured to the face

Care to spout any more garbage and half-assed quotes?

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 10:23 PM ET

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If the medical staff checked for a concussion or Letang said it was nothing, there’s not much else you can do I would think.  We have all read how hockey players will play on one leg out there if you let them or even if you they are advised not to. 

If Letang does have a concussion, then I agree that something needs to be done/said about the Pens medical staff, but who knows how often this has happened since the quiet room was instituted.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/29/11 at 10:25 PM ET

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Letang was checked out and cleared before overtime, as protocol calls for, that was never a question. They mentioned it during the broadcast & after the game.

http://penguins.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=603291

Posted by NathanBC on 11/29/11 at 10:29 PM ET

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You’re really raging at me when you are the one who should be the maddest out of all of us at your own organization’s decision to risk a star player’s health?  ooooookaaay… 

You could try having an actual discussion without being a dick about it is the point I believe he was trying to make.

Letang was:
A) slow to get up
B) clutching his head
C) visibly injured to the face

The same could be said of any player that takes a high stick.  Eric Lindros got a concussion from a stick one, should any contact to the face or head make for a trip to the quiet room?  I am all for that.  I’d rather have a set rule for every occasion and be cautious as opposed to guys getting multiple concussions.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/29/11 at 10:31 PM ET

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Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/29/11 at 07:25 PM ET

Actually, this protocol is designed exactly for those instances where the player “says it’s nothing”.  This protocol takes it entirely out of the player’s hands and provides a clear directive as to the physician’s responsibilities and required activities (e.g. the quiet room).

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 10:32 PM ET

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By all means continue the conversation, but can the name calling and baiting stop?

I really don’t want to review every comment and would appreciate that the kids stuff stop.

Thanks.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/29/11 at 10:32 PM ET

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Sorry Paul.  Just frustrating sometimes when the same crap gets said over and over when an actual discussion is taking place.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 07:32 PM ET

We will see with Letang, but like I said, it does not look good on the Pens medical staff if he does indeed have a concussion.  It is something that cannot happen for a 2nd time (Crosby being the first obviously).

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/29/11 at 10:36 PM ET

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Posted by NathanBC on 11/29/11 at 07:29 PM ET

If that is the case, then great.  They did what they were supposed to.  People are questioning whether or not that actually happened due to the short amount of elapsed time between the hit and his return.  I didn’t see the game, so I can’t speak to the accuracy of the claims and think this might be something that warrants a closer look by a 3rd party.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 10:37 PM ET

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Actually, this protocol is designed exactly for those instances where the player “says it’s nothing”.  This protocol takes it entirely out of the player’s hands and provides a clear directive as to the physician’s responsibilities and required activities (e.g. the quiet room).

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 07:32 PM ET

Wouldn’t have Byslma done something as well?

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 11/29/11 at 10:38 PM ET

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PFIB, no worries, sometimes emotions get the best of us.

The thing to remember, is 90% of the people who are reading this, are not leaving a comment and I don’t want them to think anything goes.

I have to flex my muscles a few times, lol.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/29/11 at 10:41 PM ET

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Wouldn’t have Byslma done something as well?

Posted by SYF from a north-bound Wings dressing room on 11/29/11 at 07:38 PM ET

The way I read that protocol, says nothing about the head coach and implies that the onus is entirely on the physician.  As it should be.  The reason we have this protocol is because coaches are going to say “ahh, he is fine.”  Head coaches generally do not have medical training and should have ZERO input into this process (unless they want to bench someone who the physician has cleared).  If this protocol was not followed with appropriate dilligence, then we have the exact problem that certain people have insinuated.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/29/11 at 07:36 PM ET

This is EXACTLY what I am saying and why I think maybe a 3rd party should be looking at it.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 10:52 PM ET

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I’d be good with a 3rd party.  In fact, that would be most likely the best idea.

Posted by pens fan in baltimore on 11/30/11 at 12:35 AM ET

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I’m so broken up about this Letang hit. What a shame. A player of is ilk just doesn’t deserve that kind of treatment. He’s spent his entire career promoting the game of hockey in the most dignified and classy way. You’ve never seen a cheap shot from Letang, that’s for sure.

Godspeed, Kris.

Posted by godblender on 11/30/11 at 02:54 AM ET

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The way I read that protocol, says nothing about the head coach and implies that the onus is entirely on the physician.  As it should be.  The reason we have this protocol is because coaches are going to say “ahh, he is fine.”  Head coaches generally do not have medical training and should have ZERO input into this process (unless they want to bench someone who the physician has cleared). 

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 11/29/11 at 07:52 PM ET

Agree.  It would protect both the coaches and the players from themselves.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 11/30/11 at 03:18 AM ET

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