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Kris Letang Will Have A Hearing Today

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WingsFanInBeanLand's avatar

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It will be a travesty of hockey justice if he gets less than three.

I anticipate one game maybe only a fine.

Will probably get off scot-free just like the high stick/slash/cross check to the head in the Rangers series.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 05/03/16 at 09:22 AM ET

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Anything over one game would be because of Trotz’s comments to the media after the Orpik suspension. How can you possible think Letang’s hit was as bad as Orpik’s? Don’t forget Wilson going out of his way to knee Sheary, and only got a $2,400 fine. The NHL Dept of Player Safety is a joke. Not saying what Letang did does not warrant a game, but to give him anything over that makes Orpik’s suspension a bigger joke. And let’s not forget plenty of cheap shots that go unpunished in the playoffs, most notably Staal’s cross-check to the back of Crosby’s head.

Posted by chuckinredlionpa on 05/03/16 at 09:29 AM ET

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Direct hits to the head, which this was, should be punished the same regardless if it was Orpik’s elbow or Letang’s shoulder while he launched his body in the air.

This will be a good litmus test on how coddled the Pen’s nuts are by the NHL.

 

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 05/03/16 at 09:38 AM ET

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BIG time difference between the hits. Plus part of Letangs shoulder makes contact with Johansson and he was leaning over. WFIBL, just because you are biased at least try to look at things objectively.

Posted by chuckinredlionpa on 05/03/16 at 09:47 AM ET

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Anything over one game would be because of Trotz’s comments to the media after the Orpik suspension.

Posted by chuckinredlionpa on 05/03/16 at 10:29 AM ET

Or it might be because they already let him slash someone in the face and get off free once.

Posted by Primis on 05/03/16 at 09:48 AM ET

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It will be a travesty of hockey justice if he gets less than three.

If he gets three then it means the DoPS *#$%@& up in only given three to Orpik.

BIG time difference between the hits.

Absolutely.  To say they’re the same is laughable.

Posted by Garth on 05/03/16 at 09:52 AM ET

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Some people with black & gold blinders on seem to he missing the point:

Whether it’s 1 or 3 or 0 games, his shoulder made contact with the other guys head.

Was it as laaaaate as the orpik hit…no, of course not!!

It’s irrelevant how he made contact (shoulder,elbow,knee, glove)...the player sustained some level of F head trauma from the Letang hit Period!

Perhaps we should wait for results of cognitive neurological test results to determine the length of suspension????

idiots shut eye

Posted by Down River Dan on 05/03/16 at 10:05 AM ET

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i siad the same thing in the other thread. Hits are completely different. The fact that orpik’s elbow goes up at least points to an intent to injure.
Also, Orpik has suspension history,  not sure if Letang does.

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 10:05 AM ET

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They are both late direct hits to the head.

Orpik lead with his elbow, Letang lead with his shoulder and even launched into the hit.

What’s laughable is that you all think that one hit to the head is worse than the other.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 05/03/16 at 10:09 AM ET

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So because Oprik gets three games for a definitive late hit directly to the head every hard hit has to be suspended now, especially if its in the same series?  Letang had a text book hit to the chest on a guy skating through the middle with his head down.  Elbow didn’t come up and left his feet after contact was made, not before.  No injury other than Johannson rolling around pretending to be hurt to buy a call.  There were probably 3 or 4 other hits similar to this one along the boards during the game, the difference is the player getting hit didn’t collapse and roll around, putting on a show for the department of player safety.  The guy is European, that’s about all you need to know about this hit.  Anything more than a fine is another reactionary, knee jerk move by the league.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 10:13 AM ET

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What’s laughable is that you can’t tell the difference between the hits, only that your bias against one team is clearly showing. I agree it was not a clean hit and that Letang should get a game. Orpik got off lucky only getting three if Letang gets more than one. THERE IS a difference in hits. Then again, I was told a long time ago to never get into a pissing match with a skunk. Should have listened.

Posted by chuckinredlionpa on 05/03/16 at 10:15 AM ET

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The guy is European, that’s about all you need to know about this hit.  Anything more than a fine is another reactionary, knee jerk move by the league.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 11:13 AM ET

That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read here. And that’s an accomplishment.

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 10:16 AM ET

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Orpik got off lucky only getting three

It’s the playoffs, that’s why. Had this been November, he would have gotten 5 or more.

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 10:17 AM ET

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Don Cherry just joined KK?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/03/16 at 10:18 AM ET

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Don Cherry just joined KK?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/03/16 at 11:18 AM ET

LOL

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 10:19 AM ET

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Don Cherry just joined KK?

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/03/16 at 11:18 AM ET

LOL

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 05/03/16 at 10:20 AM ET

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Cap PR tweet,

Marcus Johansson (upper body) will not skate today and will be re-evaluated tomorrow.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/03/16 at 10:21 AM ET

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Cap PR tweet,

Marcus Johansson (upper body) will not skate today and will be re-evaluated tomorrow.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/03/16 at 11:21 AM ET

Well, a 1 game suspension, might have just turned into 3. Not saying, it’s right, before everyone jumps on me, but the league is in a crappy situation with this.

But then again, I have a feeling Johansson is going to be ready for the next game.

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 10:22 AM ET

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You can’t start suspending guys every time the guy getting hit goes through the concussion protocol and you can’t suspend guys just because you suspended somebody else.  Much like Johannson, guys will just lay still for 15 seconds then go to the quiet room and now we’ve got a “head shot” even if the hit was to the chest.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 10:23 AM ET

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Get your wallet out Letang, Pens and Playoff hockey will equal a fine, will see

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 05/03/16 at 10:24 AM ET

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Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 11:23 AM ET

You do understand that hits to the head are illegal, any hit. Head being a principal point of contact makes the hit illegal.

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 10:25 AM ET

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THERE IS a difference in hits.

And the participants.  Letang is shorter than Johanssen, who is more upright, so of course shoulder to head is less direct.  Orpik is taller than Maata, who was in a lower profile, making it easier for clear head contact.  The difference to me is only the ‘lateness’ and the ease by which the head targeting was discernible.  But the latter is only esthetics.  Hockey players and I assume officials know what targeting looks like.  So, you are left with a question of what qualities of a bad hit make it more punishable.  Is it the lateness or the targeting intent?  Should Orpik get 3 games and Letang only 2 because Orpik’s targeted hit came a half second or so later?

Posted by duhduhduh on 05/03/16 at 10:28 AM ET

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Principal point of contact?  What hit are you watching?  He hits him in the chest.  If a guy has his head down, that’s his own fault.  The hit you’re eliminating is the hit like Orpiks were you bring your arm up and put it straight to the guys head.  Letang’s elbow is down.  This also used to be known as a “body check”.  It became a headshot when johannson acted like it was a headshot.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 10:29 AM ET

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Oh so now Johannson is out for the day.  He returned to the game didn’t he?

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 10:31 AM ET

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Principal point of contact?  What hit are you watching?  He hits him in the chest.  If a guy has his head down, that’s his own fault.  The hit you’re eliminating is the hit like Orpiks were you bring your arm up and put it straight to the guys head.  Letang’s elbow is down.  This also used to be known as a “body check”.  It became a headshot when johannson acted like it was a headshot.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 11:29 AM ET

And what were you watching? Shoulder to the chin, a hit is supposed to be thru the body.
Letang’s elbow is down, which is why he should get less of a suspension than Orpik.

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 10:33 AM ET

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He should get zero suspension.  You’re gonna suspend a guy for being 0.03 seconds late on a hit with the shoulder that resulted in no injury just because of a hit the game before.  I’ll have less respect for the league if they make a suspension to even it up because its the opposite of being consistent on headshots.  A late head shot gets 3 games.  A hard hit is going to get 1 or 2 because there was a head shot that got 3 games in the same series.  Makes no sense and would be further indicative of the league having no rhyme or reason to suspending or not suspending guys.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 10:37 AM ET

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*0.03 seconds later than the allotted 0.6 second window.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 10:38 AM ET

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BIG time difference between the hits. Plus part of Letangs shoulder makes contact with Johansson and he was leaning over. WFIBL, just because you are biased at least try to look at things objectively.

Posted by chuckinredlionpa on 05/03/16 at 10:47 AM ET

I’m lost on your concern of others being biased.  You are obviously the penguins fan who would be the most biased on the hit right? I’m lost on someones “bias” for a team completely not in this series can be considered greater than your bias view of the team on the defensive of this hit.  If you want to be unbiased lets think about how you would feel if a cap hit crosby this way.  My dramatic over assumption would be that you would be calling for jail time raspberry

Either way the hit shouldn’t have been made and it should be a suspension. Is Orpiks worse? Probably,  I don’t think letang deserves three.  Honestly if it was me in charge id sit letang down for two games but i think he gets one here.

Posted by Ataris18 from House on 05/03/16 at 10:39 AM ET

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He should get zero suspension.  You’re gonna suspend a guy for being 0.03 seconds late on a hit with the shoulder that resulted in no injury just because of a hit the game before.  I’ll have less respect for the league if they make a suspension to even it up because its the opposite of being consistent on headshots.  A late head shot gets 3 games.  A hard hit is going to get 1 or 2 because there was a head shot that got 3 games in the same series.  Makes no sense and would be further indicative of the league having no rhyme or reason to suspending or not suspending guys.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 11:37 AM ET

A hit 0.03 seconds late IS late, suspendable on its own, NO, but if it was a hit to the head, then YES.
No one really cares about your respect for the league. You fail to see this for what it is, a hit to the head.
This hit would have been reviewed by the DoPS regardless of what happened with Orpik.

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 10:40 AM ET

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What’s laughable is that you all think that one hit to the head is worse than the other.

It’s baffling that you can’t see a difference between the hits.

Posted by Garth on 05/03/16 at 10:46 AM ET

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I honestly don’t think a month ago this hit would have been reviewed at all.  They don’t have to suspend every hit that comes remotely close to a guy’s chin.  That hit starts in the chest.  He finished the game, now hes magically off the ice today.  If you return to the game - that’s where it should end.  Letang served the penalty as called on the ice.  Otherwise, if you can’t play, don’t play and then let the league review it if your brain is seriously scrambled.  You can’t have guys waking up with a headache the next day and then decide to review hits.  It’s ridiculous.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 10:48 AM ET

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If you want to be unbiased lets think about how you would feel if a cap hit crosby this way.  My dramatic over assumption would be that you would be calling for jail time

Yes, I am a Pens fan since 1967. I’ve watched as the league has regressed into some kind of “garage league” with the stupidity of the suspensions/non-suspensions.  I am agreeing that it is not a good hit and would not be shocked to see a one game suspension. But because I dislike a team does not mean I can’t see things objectively. There is a definite difference in the hits between Orpik and Letang. If you can’t see that, you are looking through biased glasses.

Posted by chuckinredlionpa on 05/03/16 at 10:49 AM ET

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f you return to the game - that’s where it should end.

Why?  Because adrenaline can’t carry you through a game?

Players finish games all the time without realizing the extent of an injury until after the game.

Posted by Garth on 05/03/16 at 10:52 AM ET

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I don’t think concussions work like a broken bone in your foot from a blocked shot.  They have a concussion protocol and quiet room and a doctor set up for this purpose.  Clearly he was cleared to play and did so.  Letang got 2 minutes.  If you want to say he should have gotten more on the ice, then whatever.  If 5 days down the line a guy starts getting symptoms, what are you going to do?  Go back and start handing out suspension?  No, well, maybe the NHL will, who knows.  Johannson wasn’t injured and a penalty was called.  That should be enough.  But because Orpik got suspended for a hit that wasn’t even in the run of play and was legitimately directly to the head with a raised elbow, now you have to suspend Letang?  I just don’t agree with it at all.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 10:56 AM ET

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I don’t think concussions work like a broken bone in your foot from a blocked shot.

Oh, well you don’t think that.  Never mind then.

If 5 days down the line a guy starts getting symptoms, what are you going to do?

Yes, let’s make stuff up and and questions about that.

Posted by Garth on 05/03/16 at 11:00 AM ET

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I don’t think concussions work like a broken bone in your foot from a blocked shot.  They have a concussion protocol and quiet room and a doctor set up for this purpose.  Clearly he was cleared to play and did so.

Obviously you’ve never had a concussion, specifically from playing hockey. Very often you don’t realize you have one until the next day.
I’ll give you an example of a player being cleared to play when he wasn’t supposed to.
Franzen.

Fact that Letang has to be suspened has nothing to do with Orpik. Orpik got 3 games because of his hit. Letang’s is not as sever and does not warrant 3 games, but most likely 1.

I can’t believe I even have to argue the fact that this was a dirty hit.

Posted by George0211 on 05/03/16 at 11:00 AM ET

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I honestly don’t think a month ago this hit would have been reviewed at all.  They don’t have to suspend every hit that comes remotely close to a guy’s chin.  That hit starts in the chest.  He finished the game, now hes magically off the ice today.  If you return to the game - that’s where it should end.  Letang served the penalty as called on the ice.  Otherwise, if you can’t play, don’t play and then let the league review it if your brain is seriously scrambled.  You can’t have guys waking up with a headache the next day and then decide to review hits.  It’s ridiculous.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 11:48 AM ET

Not sure if you are meaning it this way and I fully understand the NHL may take it into consideration but this is stupid silly to think that a player’s injury should add to punishment.  To be fair to the NHL with the media attention and the Trotz comments making headlines there was no way they weren’t reviewing this hit before the 2nd period started.  Are Washington trying to play a game but “re-evaluating” him today? Maybe, but let’s not act like every other team in the league wouldn’t be doing the same thing if they were put in the same scenario. It wasn’t a smart play by Letang, and now it may hurt his teams chances, hopefully everyone can agree on that.

Posted by Ataris18 from House on 05/03/16 at 11:02 AM ET

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I have had a concussion from playing hockey - on a hit to the chin from a shoulder nonetheless.  And how that is relevant I have no idea. 

Every suspension is related to another suspension.  Just look at the caps talking about Bellmar only getting a game for the hit on Orlov compared to Orpik’s 3.  They’re not even close to being similar hits, but yet every hit is measured by the suspension previous to it.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 11:05 AM ET

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Not sure if you are meaning it this way and I fully understand the NHL may take it into consideration but this is stupid silly to think that a player’s injury should add to punishment.  To be fair to the NHL with the media attention and the Trotz comments making headlines there was no way they weren’t reviewing this hit before the 2nd period started.  Are Washington trying to play a game but “re-evaluating” him today? Maybe, but let’s not act like every other team in the league wouldn’t be doing the same thing if they were put in the same scenario. It wasn’t a smart play by Letang, and now it may hurt his teams chances, hopefully everyone can agree on that.

Posted by Ataris18 from House on 05/03/16 at 12:02 PM ET

The injury DOES matter though.  A hit like Orpik’s, not even his hit specifically, but a hit like it, where its blatant and the guy is out cold and out of action is a lot different from a hit during the run of play where nobody is injured.  Then again, if you’re dumb enough to go after a guy with your elbow and not lay him out, then you should probably just suspend yourself.

Posted by PMP5030 on 05/03/16 at 11:10 AM ET

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I have had a concussion from playing hockey - on a hit to the chin from a shoulder nonetheless.  And how that is relevant I have no idea. 

I see what you did there. Not sure if you did… but I like it (not the actual injury that sucks sorry to hear).

I’ll just await what they come out with.

Posted by Ataris18 from House on 05/03/16 at 11:12 AM ET

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