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Koivu Hits, Setoguchi Scores

This hit on Niklas Kronwall by Mikko Koivu lead to the Wild overtime goal by Devin Setoguchi last night.

Some people were calling for an interference call, what do you think?

Kronwall left the ice dazed and the Wings will provide and update on him sometime today.

added 4:03am, The Wild TV broadcast can be viewed below…

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The ref in the corner never looks at the puck.  He’s looking at the front of the net the entire time.

Posted by Steve on 11/02/11 at 07:43 AM ET

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It was clearly interference: rule 56.2: A minor penalty shall be imposed on an attacking player who deliberately checks a defensive player, including the goalkeeper, who is not in possession of the puck.

Posted by Zaze on 11/02/11 at 09:15 AM ET

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The most irritating thing about it is that there were way more chintzy interference calls made earlier in the game.  This one was much more clear.

Posted by BuzzFledderjohn on 11/02/11 at 09:23 AM ET

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It’s already been said in this thread three times, but yes, that was a clear interference non-call. The Wings got called for some really SOFT calls, as well as some legitimate penalties. The Wild could set fire to the building and not raise an eyebrow. I tend not to be one of the tinfoil hat crew, believing that human error does not often have nefarious motives. However, this game would be good evidence for wings fans who believe their team gets the short end of the stick when it comes to the on-ice officials.


I did quite enjoy Harding’s two dives, though.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 11/02/11 at 09:30 AM ET

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It was clearly interference, but it happens. I didn’t think Kronwall looked hurt, I thought he looked more surprised there was no penalty and pissed that his team couldn’t score more than one goal.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 11/02/11 at 09:30 AM ET

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I didn’t think Kronwall looked hurt

From Ansar Kahn:

“The Detroit Red Wings did not provide an update on the condition of defenseman Niklas Kronwall following Tuesday’s 2-1 overtime loss to the Minnesota Wild at Joe Louis Arena, saying he’ll be further evaluated on Wednesday”

“The Red Wings already were shorthanded on the play. A dazed Kronwall could not get back on his feet, let alone back into the play. He was helped off the ice.”

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/11 at 09:36 AM ET

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1st Period
03:59   MIN   Marek Zidlicky : Tripping - 2 min *legitimate
06:52   DET   Drew Miller : Interference - 2 min * soft, and they failed to call equal penalties the other way later, repeatedly.
09:40   DET   Valtteri Filppula : Tripping - 2 min *had his stick on the ice and the opposing player stepped on it.
2nd Period
10:51   DET   Tomas Holmstrom : Interference on goalkeeper - 2 min *reputation call
10:51   MIN   Justin Falk : Roughing - 2 min *sucker punch
12:51   DET   Todd Bertuzzi : Cross checking - 2 min *called as Bert retaliated for a hold
15:06   DET   Johan Franzen : Too many men/ice - bench - 2 min *legitimate
3rd Period
04:09   DET   Todd Bertuzzi : Slashing - 2 min *legitimate
04:44   DET   Drew Miller : Charging - 2 min *called 5 seconds after he was interfered with as he tried to play the puck.
11:51   MIN   Marco Scandella : Holding - 2 min *soft call, perhaps to make up for one of the dozen non-calls?
14:47   MIN   Nate Prosser : Slashing - 2 min *legitimate
15:32   DET   Tomas Holmstrom : Tripping - 2 min (I don’t remember this one)
OT Period
01:09   DET   Johan Franzen : Interference on goalkeeper - 2 min *legitimate, but he was making a play for the puck and the goaltender was out of the goal crease.


It’s the non-calls that had me scratching my head more than what was called (for the most part).

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 11/02/11 at 09:37 AM ET

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It’s hard to score more than one goal when you’re shorthanded for nearly 18 minutes.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 11/02/11 at 09:38 AM ET

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I can’t say he got Kronwalled, because, if Kronner is coming after you, it’s straight on.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 11/02/11 at 10:03 AM ET

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Guess what Shanny…not only was it interference…but the head was the principal point of contact…Kronwall’s head did not significantly change position prior to the hit…illegal hit to the head…this is the slippery slope you are on.

Posted by wolverine on 11/02/11 at 10:39 AM ET

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Boom! Kronwalled!

Hey at least Koivu didn’t leave his feet like Kronwall does 100% of the time. CLEAN hit. Why aren’t you guys talking about Howard holding Setoguchi’s stick for five minutes before the goal. Selective eyesight I guess.

Stop crying. Jesus.

Posted by Ouch from Windsor on 11/02/11 at 11:09 AM ET

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Posted by Ouch from Windsor on 11/02/11 at 10:09 AM ET

I agree we shouldn’t be crying, but I think you need to double-check your facts and statistics.

Posted by Zaze on 11/02/11 at 11:11 AM ET

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Why aren’t we talking about Setoguchi interfering with Howard before the goal was scored?

Probably because this is a post about Koivu’s hit on Kronwall.

[rocket surgery achievement unlocked]

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/11 at 11:16 AM ET

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The ref in the corner never looks at the puck.  He’s looking at the front of the net the entire time.

Posted by Steve on 11/02/11 at 06:43 AM ET

I saw this live and saw that the ref never even looked that way.  It’s infuriating.  And yes, it was blatant interference.

It’s also not why Detroit only scored only one goal.

Posted by Primis on 11/02/11 at 11:20 AM ET

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but the head was the principal point of contact…

How do you figure?

Why aren’t you guys talking about Howard holding Setoguchi’s stick for five minutes before the goal.

Maybe because the ref who should have been watching the puck and calling an obvious interference penalty was jawing at Howard about holding Setoguchi’s stick for five minutes while the obvious interference penalty was happening.

Posted by Garth on 11/02/11 at 11:21 AM ET

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]but the head was the principal point of contact…

How do you figure?

Because as Koivu (with the puck) explodes into Kronwal (even though his back is to Kronwall) the first thing he hits is Kronwalls head.  Therefore, not a full body check and illegal hit to the head.

Posted by wolverine on 11/02/11 at 11:29 AM ET

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Get over it 19. Concentrate on winning a game and less about ticky tack crap. IT’S CALLED HOCKEY.

And you’re losing at it.

Posted by Ouch from Windsor on 11/02/11 at 11:40 AM ET

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Get over it 19. Concentrate on winning a game

So all it takes is for the fans to concentrate REALLY hard and their team will win the game?

Shit, I’ve been doing this wrong.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/11 at 11:48 AM ET

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Shit, I’ve been doing this wrong.

LOL

Posted by Zaze on 11/02/11 at 11:49 AM ET

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I don’t think it was a head shot or dirty. But it was interference because neither player had yet played the puck.

For whatever it’s worth, I don’t think that type of hit should be interference. But, according to the rulebook, it is.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 11/02/11 at 12:32 PM ET

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Koivu’s hit on Kronner was absolutely beautiful.
A move that Datsyuk holds the patent on.
Wings fans celebrate every time Dats gets away with one.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 11/02/11 at 12:33 PM ET

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Therefore, not a full body check and illegal hit to the head.

And how does it make NOT an interference?

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 11/02/11 at 12:34 PM ET

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Boom! Kronwalled!

Hey at least Koivu didn’t leave his feet like Kronwall does 100% of the time. CLEAN hit. Why aren’t you guys talking about Howard holding Setoguchi’s stick for five minutes before the goal. Selective eyesight I guess.

Stop crying. Jesus.
This is why politics doesn’t work. Because morons let their prejudices and their preconceptions rule their reality. Whether you like Kronwall and the Red Wings or you hate them THIS WAS A PENALTY. Not only was it interference, he hit him in the head. As for the holding the stick penalty that you say distracted the ref, did you happen to notice Setoguchi making CONTACT with Howard first? Perhaps you should gather at least a mild understanding of the rules before gracing us with your “perception” of things. Either you have an eye sight problem or your irretrievably stupid. Frankly I dont care which but go troll some where else with your whiny “Kronwalls so mean” agenda. I’m more than a little tired of people coming on boards any arguing that somethings not a penalty because they dont like the player or the team that he plays for. Your a child, give mommy back the mouse and go to bed.

Posted by From The Hockey Wastelands from Cleveland on 11/02/11 at 12:40 PM ET

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Datsyuk has never shoulder-blasted into a guy’s face while not in control of the puck before.

The day he does that is the day I’ll stop cheering him doing it.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/11 at 12:41 PM ET

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It’s also not why Detroit only scored only one goal.

Boom, this.
We’re gonna lose more games than not when putting one lonely puck in the net.
Even if that call was made on Koivu, you guys like “our” chances going into a gimimick finish, which “we” basically suck at?

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 11/02/11 at 12:42 PM ET

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Boom, this.
We’re gonna lose more games than not when putting one lonely puck in the net.

And? Minnesota also put one lonely puck in the net. The other came after a non-called interference.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 11/02/11 at 12:47 PM ET

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Koivu’s hit on Kronner was absolutely beautiful.
A move that Datsyuk holds the patent on.
Wings fans celebrate every time Dats gets away with one.

you’re right that Datsyuk’s ‘I-hit-you-before-you-hit-me’ is classic and I cheer for it every time.

BUT… he doesn’t do it on power plays because when up a man, certain rules become a bit more stringent, like interference (or the chintzy trip on Homer which I don’t think would have been called if we weren’t on the PP). if you take one of the PK’s out of the play on anything that even resembles early contact, they almost always call it.

but, as someone who tends to argue that rules should be rules and specific situations shouldn’t affect how the game is called, I don’t really put much stock in that. what I do put stock in is the contact point of the hit. Datsyuk DOES NOT hit people square in the face when he makes that play. Ever. Don’t care if Koivu’s back is to the play, don’t even really care whether or not it was interference, because the onus is on Koivu to NOT make that play too high up. It’s not like Kronner was hunched over or something. Koivu, albeit blindly, drove himself up to the head level of whoever was behind him. it was blatantly illegal… whether it was interference or not technically. Nothing close to the delicacy and precision of Datstuk’s patented move.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 11/02/11 at 12:50 PM ET

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And? Minnesota also put one lonely puck in the net. The other came after a non-called interference.

Historically, which team is expected to score more? Plain & simple MIN has been offensively challenged forever. Blaming the loss of a piss poorly played game on one missed call is taking the easy way out, sorry buddy.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 11/02/11 at 12:52 PM ET

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Perhaps my post above was a little harsh and for that I apologize but I have a headache and I dont suffer fools gladly.

Posted by From The Hockey Wastelands from Cleveland on 11/02/11 at 12:52 PM ET

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Blaming the loss of a piss poorly played game on one missed call is taking the easy way out, sorry buddy.

Not blaming the loss, blaming this goal. Which happened to decide the game.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 11/02/11 at 12:55 PM ET

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How about blaming the loss partially on an entire game’s worth of missed and bad calls which prevented your team from being able to build momentum or roll lines the way they’d like?

How about admitting that a choppy game full of whistles just happens to play into a road team’s (especially Minnesota’s) plans and that a piss-poor reffing job from start to finish had something to do with it?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/11 at 01:02 PM ET

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Listen.  Let’s level

The Wings need to find ways to score more than one goal. It’s time that somebody within the organization makes a change to adjust to the way the league is now.

As fans, we should also be pretty well-adjusted to the idea that there’s no more “we have future hall-of-famers on our fourth line and can smoke teams even if the refs are trying to screw us” mode in the NHL anymore.

There will be rare exceptions, but for the most part, there isn’t any button an NHL team can hit right now that gives them the ability to consistently win when the calls are as egregiously lopsided as they were in last night’s game.

Placing blame on the refs is not letting the team off the hook; it’s at least an outside means of hoping that the league will figure out how to help the refs do their jobs consistently better.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/11 at 01:11 PM ET

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Koivu’s hit on Kronner was absolutely beautiful.
A move that Datsyuk holds the patent on.
Wings fans celebrate every time Dats gets away with one.

Oh come on, part of being a fan is having double standards. 

That was a brutal call and while it wasn’t the only factor it was a big one.

Posted by Heaton on 11/02/11 at 01:31 PM ET

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From The Hockey Wastelands - this isn’t AtoY dude. It’s an open post. Get over yourself. Go over there and cry if that’s the only answer you have. HockeyTownTodd is the only one around here with integrity.

Posted by Ouch from Windsor on 11/02/11 at 01:54 PM ET

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Integrity = agreeing with somebody who won’t even register for an account here.

You are horrible at English.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/02/11 at 02:10 PM ET

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From The Hockey Wastelands - this isn’t AtoY dude. It’s an open post. Get over yourself. Go over there and cry if that’s the only answer you have. HockeyTownTodd is the only one around here with integrity.

Posted by Ouch from Windsor on 11/02/11 at 12:54 PM ET
Seriuosly? You took and hour and fourteen minutes to come up with this? What does an open post have to do with you not presenting an honest and/or well thought out argument? If you don’t like Kronwall I have no problem with that but that has NOTHING to do with what happened on the ice. The argument that you used is the same one that children use(He did it first wah!)to get out of trouble. Try presenting a COHERENT reason that it wasn’t a penalty…....dont worry I’ll wait. Do you need a thesaurus? How about the NHL rule book? I disagree with HockeytownTodd but at least he presented a REASON why he didn’t think it was a penalty i.e. Datsyuk gets away with the same thing.

Posted by From The Hockey Wastelands from Cleveland on 11/02/11 at 02:12 PM ET

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Posted by Ouch from Windsor on 11/02/11 at 12:54 PM ET

so disagreement over a call that was AT LEAST questionable by any objective standard is lacking integrity?

while i totally get the concept that cheering for a team can make ones glasses a bit rosier, one of my favorite things about KK is that MOST of the people who post here are intelligent enough to understand that and carry on a conversation despite it. but then there are some who’s hockey IQ’s aren’t quite up to speed and consider a “discussion” merely an opportunity for rah rah smack talking (disagreeing with a call is inherantly “whining” to these lesser creatures). lemmee guess… your favorite team is NOT the Red Wings? am i right? wow, congrats, that’s about the only point you’ve made.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 11/02/11 at 02:18 PM ET

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Kerry Fraser at TSN on the play…

This play is absolutely not worthy of a suspension nor violates any new standard relative to illegal checks to the head or dangerous hits. Under the presently accepted “rules of engagement” no penalty was deserved on the play either.

This is deemed to be strength on strength battle; albeit one that certainly seemed to have surprised Niklas Kronwall. Perhaps if Kronwall had watched fellow Swede Peter Forsberg more closely throughout his ‘Hall of Fame career’ he might have anticipated this separation technique. No player did it better or more frequently than Forsberg. It appears Mikko Koivu, from Turku, Finland, studied under Kronwall’s fellow countryman.

more

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/02/11 at 02:31 PM ET

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From The Hockey Wastelands - yes one hour and fourteen minutes. Why? Because I have a life outside of this. You obviously do not.

Loving your comebacks though. please continue to embarrass yourself.

Posted by Ouch from Windsor on 11/02/11 at 02:50 PM ET

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Good Clean hit on Kronwall. I guess he is a little “soft”. hahaha

Posted by Hockey Rob from San Jose on 11/02/11 at 02:51 PM ET

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