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Hockey Talk Picks Up At The End Of August

from Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun,

- Just wondering: Would Sidney Crosby be willing or able to check his ego at the door so Jonathan Toews could captain Team Canada in Sochi? Toews would be my pick for captain.

- So who starts in goal for Finland in Sochi: Pekka Rinne, Tuukka Rask or Antti Niemi? Miikka Kiprusoff picked the right year to retire.

- Not sure there’s a place for Ryan Miller on the U.S. Olympic hockey team. I figure Jonathan Quick starts in goal, Craig Anderson is the backup and you don’t want someone noisy or potentially disruptive as a third goalie. Jimmy Howard might be the better third choice.

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Nice of Simmons to rewrite Selanne’s history.  Guess we’ll forget how angry Selanne was initially when he was traded from Winnipeg to Anaheim.  Angry why?  Because management lied to him.  Sound familiar?

Posted by Valek from Chicago on 08/31/13 at 08:31 PM ET

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Alfredsson had been paid $55 million by the Senators in his career and jumped to take $5.5 million in Detroit. Selanne would never have made such a move.

The Ottawa organization also is not the Anaheim organization. Not to excuse Alfredsson, since no one except the parties involved will probably know the true story, but the attacks in the press from the Ottawa organization have not shown the most maturity and respect, regardless of who was “in the right”.

 

 

Posted by EDJ on 08/31/13 at 08:32 PM ET

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The Leafs penalty killing went from almost-record terrible for years to near tops in the league last season and Jay McClement was a big part of the change and the success. But he can’t be any good because advanced statistics consider him one of the worst players in hockey.

It doesn’t make Simmons sound any more educated to make sarcastic comments about advanced statistics. Corsi is the most popular advanced statistic, and doesn’t tell you everything, the same way goals don’t tell you much about a player’s defense, and save % doesn’t take into account quality of shot.

I have barely ever seen McClement play, so if I take a look at McClement’s advanced statistics I’ll be basing my opinion on him solely on his stats, and what I find is that McClement played decently well last season. McClement’s Corsi number, the number of shots taken while he is on the ice minus the number of shots against, is low, but only two other forwards have a higher Corsi quality of competition (Kulemin and Grabovski. Grabovski may have been overpaid, and he may have had attitude issues, but it still seems strange to me that they bought him out for nothing). Further, McClement started only 27.9% of the time in the offensive zone, which is an extremely small number and the least of any Toronto player. Starting in the defensive zone is obviously going to make it harder to have shots on the opponent’s goal and harder to defend your own goal. Finally, as McClement played over three minutes of penalty killing time per game, McClement was likely on the ice for much of the time as a penalty expired, and there is a lag time between the time a penalty ends and the penalized player actually joins play. Furthermore, during penalty killing time it is more likely that you are trapped in your own zone, so McClement’s Corsi number probably suffered even more there. So three big factors explain in part McClement’s low Corsi number: facing high quality of competition, starting in the defensive zone much of the time, and killing penalties. If McClement were to not kill penalties, face lower quality of competition, start in the offensive zone more often, and get better linemates, it is likely that his Corsi number would be much higher (and he would look like a better player). Simmons ignores all this and only looks at McClement’s low Corsi number in a non-constructive jab at advanced statistics.

Posted by EDJ on 08/31/13 at 09:10 PM ET

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I love how Simmonds nitpicks Daniel Alfredsson’s character as a person, Sidney Crosby’s leadership, stuff he has no professional reason to understand.

Then his “column,” which he supposed to be a specialist at, has substantial errors in formatting. Every. Single. Week. He’s got walls of text (a no-no) where one fragmented thought (fragmented thoughts are no-nos) is separated from another by ellipsis.  In newspapers, ellipsis always means “words have been omitted from a quote.”  I know of no style book in which there is another usage in a newspaper.

Now, normally I wouldn’t care, except that this guy is so critical of everybody and everything else. His opinion pieces are like a truck driver who doesn’t know he’s driving the wrong way down the street armchair-quarterbacking a NASA launch.

Posted by larry on 08/31/13 at 10:59 PM ET

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Then his “column,” which he supposed to be a specialist at, has substantial errors in formatting. Every. Single. Week. He’s got walls of text (a no-no) where one fragmented thought (fragmented thoughts are no-nos) is separated from another by ellipsis.  In newspapers, ellipsis always means “words have been omitted from a quote.”

Oh, so now we have the gammar police chiming in. Well, all I can say is God bess you, my friend. That makes at least two of us who quit reading that crap because it’s just a random string of “thoughts” – with nothing tying one thought to the next.

That kind if crap (and, yes, that’s a technical term) is barely acceptable from high school text-fiends. Coming from a supposed “journalist” it’s just an abomination.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 09/01/13 at 12:09 AM ET

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Just wondering: Would Sidney Crosby be willing or able to check his ego at the door so Jonathan Toews could captain Team Canada in Sochi? Toews would be my pick for captain

Let’s see: a young, whining captain prone to take penalties at bad times, or a young, whining captain prone to take penalties at bad times.

As a fan of Team USA, I say it’s a win-win.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 09/01/13 at 09:54 AM ET

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Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 09/01/13 at 09:54 AM ET

Good poit.  Best player in the world who scored the gold medal winning goal at the last Olympics or the captain of the team that won two of the last four Stanley Cups.  I hear Hockey Canada is debating skipping the Sochi games for fear of not being able to be competitive…

Posted by Garth on 09/01/13 at 10:53 AM ET

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