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Flyers Hope Hamhuis can Bolster Defense

From the Philadelphia Inquirer’s Dan Carchidi:

During their playoff run to the Stanley Cup Finals, the Flyers were reluctant to use their third defensive pairing.

So, in his first move of the off-season, general manager Paul Holmgren made a deal Saturday that significantly upgrades that unit, acquiring defenseman Dan Hamhuis and a conditional draft pick in 2011 from Nashville for Ryan Parent, a little-used and frequently injured defenseman.

Now the Flyers have 11 days to sign the 6-foot-1, 209-pound Hamhuis (pronounced HAM-HOOS), who can become an unrestricted free agent on July 1.

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Moves like this make me thankful the Flyers still don’t get how important goaltending is. They apparently want to ride the scrubs of the NHL goaltending circuit, like Leighton and Emery, and see if they can make another fluke run to the Finals.

Posted by cs6687 on 06/20/10 at 02:23 PM ET

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Ah… now cs6687 chimes in with the identical non-sequiter…

Brilliant commentary from the Pens fans.

Posted by Unicorn Force from DC (but like everyone here, I'm not a local) on 06/20/10 at 03:52 PM ET

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If the Flyers really want to get the last piece, they would be trying for a goaltender on July 1 instead of trying to stockpile defensemen. If they sign Hamhuis, that probably means the end of Carter or Gagne in Philadelphia. Giving up goal scorers to overpay for Hamhuis is not a good deal.  And since there’s this thing called a salary cap, the Flyers will once again have to depend on a scrub in goal.

Posted by cs6687 on 06/20/10 at 04:31 PM ET

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Making a trade for a defenceman by trading a defenceman isn’t exactly “stockpiling”.  I would call getting a proven veteran for a second year guy “upgrading.”  And as is widely known, the negotiations with Coburn are not going well.  Both sides are far apart and it is likely that Coburn will head to arbitration.  Therefore, this could be seen as “replacing” in lieu of “stockpiling’. 

As for the Flyers’ goaltending situation, they did just fine with two so-called “scrubs” after their starter went down.  Would love to see the Pens go deep into the playoffs without their One and (for some time their) Two. 

Furthermore, just because Flyers’ management trades for a defenceman it has NO bearing on whether they’ll trade for a goalie or sign one this summer.  Why is that consistently mentioned by some readers????

Posted by Unicorn Force from DC (but like everyone here, I'm not a local) on 06/20/10 at 05:50 PM ET

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Furthermore, just because Flyers’ management trades for a defenceman it has NO bearing on whether they’ll trade for a goalie or sign one this summer.  Why is that consistently mentioned by some readers????

Salary cap. Duh.

Posted by cs6687 on 06/20/10 at 06:21 PM ET

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As for the Flyers’ goaltending situation, they did just fine with two so-called “scrubs” after their starter went down.

I’d love to see the Flyers gamble with Leighton or Emery again. Remember, the Flyers barely made the playoffs with those scrubs. And if they do get in, another postseason where the top four seeds fail to reach the conference finals is highly unlikely. The Flyers run was one that doesn’t happen too often.

Posted by cs6687 on 06/20/10 at 06:27 PM ET

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cs6687

You are by far the most obnoxious twit on this site.  You have half a brain and that makes you extremely dangerous. 

Geez…thanks wise olde sage.  I had no idea there was a salary cap.  Thanks for the apposite reminder.  Silly me.

So what about the salary cap??? 

With Pronger’s new reduced cap hit, the Flyers save 1.3 going forward.  Ryan Parent was a 900K contract last season.  That’s 2.2 million combined.  One can assume Parent would have gotten a raise.  Hamhuis was 2.5 last year.  One can assume a raise.  So what is the effect on Philly’s cap space?  500K?  1MM?  For an improvement like that, isn’t worth it, Simple Jack?

Posted by Unicorn Force from DC (but like everyone here, I'm not a local) on 06/20/10 at 06:29 PM ET

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You are by far the most obnoxious twit on this site.  You have half a brain and that makes you extremely dangerous.

The Flyers have barely $8 million in cap room for six spots, assuming the cap does not increase. It wouldn’t surprise me to see Hamhuis account for $3-$4 million of that. That basically leaves minimum wage for five spots. Do you see where the trade limits what the Flyers can do, barring a trade of Gagne or Carter? Or are you going to continue to use personal attacks?

Posted by cs6687 on 06/20/10 at 09:02 PM ET

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I believe the Flyers have 11.3 million in cap space to sign six to seven players depending on if they keep an extra forward and and extra defender.  The current idea is that Coburn gets around 2 - 2.5 million (sorry Unicorn Force, he’s not being shopped) and Powe is increased to perhaps $750,000.  That is say 3.25 million meaning they have about 8 million for four to five players.  I believe that it sensible considering they will likely have some cost effective third line signings.  I wouldn’t be shocked at a Carter for Vokoun deal either.  That would only run an additional $700,000 versus the cap.

Posted by ProjectMayhem on 06/20/10 at 10:30 PM ET

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With Pronger’s new reduced cap hit, the Flyers save 1.3 going forward.

How did his cap hit get reduced?  I’d not heard of this.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/20/10 at 11:41 PM ET

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I believe what PM is saying is that Pronger, when traded one year ago, had one year left on his original deal that possessed a cap hit of $6.25 million.  He was resigned immediately for a SEVEN year extension, paying $4.92 million per annum cap hit.  Therefore, the Flyers’ cap hit is now less going forward.

I still think PM is wrong and Coburn will be shipped out.  I hope for a Carter & Coburn for Horton and Bryan Allen deal…

All of this cap hit talk is really of no consequence as there will be a new CBA in one year’s time.  My guess? A $60 million dollar cap with a luxury tax of 50% or something similar for the first 5 to 10 million.  Agents want it.  Wealthy clubs want it.  And it could provide the small market teams with additional cash to get closer to the cap limit as opposed to the floor.  After this year with the viewer ratings for the Olympics and the Stanley Cup Finals, I can only envision increased TV sponsorship and ticket sales/general interest (higher sweater sales, etc.).

Posted by Unicorn Force from DC (but like everyone here, I'm not a local) on 06/21/10 at 12:10 AM ET

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luxury tax would be perfect for this league. It would keep non existed team alive.  But the league would point to the nba on why a luxury tax doesnt work. The only reason why luxury tax doesnt work in the NBA because they got strong leadership in NBAPA. NBA is the league that needs a salary cap.

Posted by FlyersFan on 06/21/10 at 12:36 AM ET

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I believe the Flyers have 11.3 million in cap space to sign six to seven players depending on if they keep an extra forward and and extra defender.  The current idea is that Coburn gets around 2 - 2.5 million (sorry Unicorn Force, he’s not being shopped) and Powe is increased to perhaps $750,000.  That is say 3.25 million meaning they have about 8 million for four to five players.  I believe that it sensible considering they will likely have some cost effective third line signings.

That would yield something like this given a $58.8M salary cap and no trades (the lines are arbitrary):

FORWARDS
Daniel Briere ($6.500m) / Mike Richards ($5.750m) / Simon Gagne ($5.250m)
Jeff Carter ($5.000m) / Scott Hartnell ($4.200m) / James Van Riemsdyk ($1.654m)
Ian Laperriere ($1.167m) / Claude Giroux ($0.822m) / Ville Leino ($0.800m)
* Darroll Powe ($0.750m) / Blair Betts ($0.700m)
DEFENSEMEN
Kimmo Timonen ($6.333m) / Chris Pronger ($4.921m)
* Dan Hamhuis ($3.750m) / Matt Carle ($3.438m)
* Braydon Coburn ($2.250m) / Oskars Bartulis ($0.600m)
GOALTENDERS
Brian Boucher ($0.925m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
(these totals are compiled using the bonus cushion)
ROSTER: 18; CAP: $58.8m; PAYROLL: $54.810m; CAP ROOM: $4.628m

Given a couple of (very) cheap forwards, that translates to a $2.5-3M goaltender depending on how tight you want it to be. That looks like the “Leighton or equivalent” scenario. Not impossible nor a disaster, but they’ll probably explore trade options before settling on this.

Posted by Moq from Denmark on 06/21/10 at 09:22 AM ET

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