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Fight Night In Toronto

See the fight card below...

I will update this post as information comes in.

added 10:08pm, Here we go...

added 10:43pm, TSN post-game report.

added 10:55pm, Sportsnet video added below, one minute longer than the original video posted.

 

 

 

0:01 Buffalo John Scott: 2 minutes, instigator
10:01 Buffalo John Scott: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Buffalo John Scott: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Toronto Jamie Devane: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Buffalo John Scott: 10 minutes, game misconduct
10:01 Buffalo Corey Tropp: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Toronto Andrew Macwilliam: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Toronto Tyler Bozak: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Toronto Tj Brennan: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Buffalo Brian Flynn: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Buffalo Michael Zigomanis: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Toronto David Clarkson: 10 minutes, leaving player's/penalty bench
10:01 Buffalo Chad Ruhwedel: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Buffalo Chad Ruhwedel: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Buffalo Ryan Miller: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Buffalo Drew Bagnall: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Toronto Phil Kessel: 10 minutes, match penalty
10:01 Toronto Carter Ashton: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Toronto Jonathan Bernier: 2 minutes, goalie leave crease
10:01 Toronto Jonathan Bernier: 5 minutes, fighting
10:01 Toronto Jonathan Bernier: 10 minutes, game misconduct
10:01 Buffalo Ryan Miller: 2 minutes, goalie leave crease
10:01 Toronto Carter Ashton: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Toronto Tyler Bozak: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Toronto Tj Brennan: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Toronto Andrew Macwilliam: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Toronto David Clarkson: 10 minutes, leaving player's/penalty bench
10:01 Buffalo Drew Bagnall: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Buffalo Michael Zigomanis: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Buffalo Brian Flynn: 10 minutes, misconduct
10:01 Buffalo Ryan Miller: 10 minutes, game misconduct
11:22 Toronto John-Michael Liles: 2 minutes, roughing
13:33 Buffalo Joel Armia: 2 minutes, hooking
15:48 Buffalo Brayden Mcnabb: 2 minutes, roughing
15:48 Toronto James Van Riemsdyk: 2 minutes, roughing

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Paul's avatar

In case you are wondering, Toronto won the game 5-3.

Clarkson not talking after the game, looking at automatic 10 game suspension.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/22/13 at 10:16 PM ET

Savage Henry's avatar

No penalties at all for Kessel?

Posted by Savage Henry on 09/22/13 at 10:31 PM ET

mrfluffy's avatar

Why were the goalies tossed?

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 09/22/13 at 10:38 PM ET

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Kessel should get at minimum a 10-game suspension for using his stick as a weapon multiple times. Then when the other guy can’t defend himself, Kessel hits him again.

If Kessel gets off with nothing, then this league is a joke.

Posted by retrospecd on 09/22/13 at 10:40 PM ET

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Kessel should get some games for those 2 handers.

Posted by brians neck on 09/22/13 at 10:40 PM ET

Paul's avatar

SH, the boxscore has changed about 4 times, just updated it and Kessel now listed.
mrf… they were in a fight, left the crease.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/22/13 at 10:40 PM ET

mrfluffy's avatar

Don’t remember Vernon, Ozzie, Hasek or Wah getting tossed in their fights…

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 09/22/13 at 11:07 PM ET

Primis's avatar

John Scott is why the NHL may in fact need to go to a rule only allowing teams to dress 19 or something.

He serves NO other purpose on the ice.  And with 20 slots, he still somehow finds work.

I’m no Kessel fan but… dude,Scott has NO business going after him and had Kessel connected on those Scott would have deserved whatever outcome of it.  There *IS* an inherent danger in going after a non-fighter because he may not actually fight, his first instinct may be to behead you or to shove his blade through your face.  You never know.

Stupidity all around.

Posted by Primis on 09/22/13 at 11:21 PM ET

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@mrfluffy That was like 80 years ago! They allowed punching in the face on a regular basis raspberry

Posted by retrospecd on 09/22/13 at 11:21 PM ET

aerodude's avatar

I love goalie fights, mostly with Roy getting clothes-lined though.

Posted by aerodude on 09/22/13 at 11:23 PM ET

Zaze's avatar

If someone that big came after me and I had a stick in my hand, I’d probably use it too.

Just sayin.

Posted by Zaze on 09/23/13 at 01:37 AM ET

Hockeytown Wax's avatar

Paul .. don’t feel bad for having to update the list. They probably won’t have a final list until sometime tomorrow LOL

Kinda reminds me of a Saturday night game on HNIC back in the 80s .. weeeeeeeeeeeeeee that was fun !!!

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 09/23/13 at 01:58 AM ET

Hippy Dave's avatar

So long as nobody took their helmets off first, we’re all good here.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 09/23/13 at 02:12 AM ET

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agree w/ primis. scott on kessel was bush, kessel has a right to defend himself in my mind. a few slashes at a guy’s feet are hardly the same as how that fight ends if scott actually gets to him. if the Code is don’t go after non fighters, scott broke it instantly.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 09/23/13 at 04:13 AM ET

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Posted by Primis on 09/22/13 at 11:21 PM ET

Like Mickey always says, players would be a lot less reckless if they knew they would have to taste some lumber for their efforts.

I’m paraphrasing, but the gist is in there.

Posted by Hootinani on 09/23/13 at 08:42 AM ET

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Posted by Primis on 09/22/13 at 11:21 PM ET

I think there’s a better solution than to take away a roster spot that a team might want to use on a prospect.  I think the league would be better suited taking a hard look at teams who use that one spot to put a worthless goon out there, especially when coaches put that guy out there immediately after a fight and he wastes zero time starting trouble.

Ron Rolston should be both suspended and fined.  There’s absolutely zero way this doesn’t fall on him. It’s not like everybody doesn’t know who John Scott is or what he does. He either intentionally put a guy out there to start another fight or he failed to control one of his players at a crucial moment.

And despite being able to understand what Kessel did, you’re going to get in trouble for doing shit like that (and I think the second slash he took at Scott’s ankle was the shitty one).

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/23/13 at 09:17 AM ET

Hootinani's avatar

I remember a few years ago when Cammelleri slashed Niederreiter in a preseason game, which caused an injury.  And the slash came after about a dozen crosschecks to Nino’s back that the onlooking ref let go without even a second look.

He got one game.  So I don’t see Kessel using questionable judgement in defending himself from a goon garnering more than a stern talking to from Shanahan.

Although it is Shanny, so it could be anywhere from a fine to prison time.  Consistency is not his strong suit.

Posted by Hootinani on 09/23/13 at 09:46 AM ET

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Ron Rolston should be both suspended and fined.  There’s absolutely zero way this doesn’t fall on him. It’s not like everybody doesn’t know who John Scott is or what he does. He either intentionally put a guy out there to start another fight or he failed to control one of his players at a crucial moment.

And despite being able to understand what Kessel did, you’re going to get in trouble for doing shit like that (and I think the second slash he took at Scott’s ankle was the shitty one).

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/23/13 at 09:17 AM ET

Fining and suspending coaches doesn’t deter it though.  Coaches have been fined and suspended before, yet this happens.

Maybe take away a small chunk of a team’s cap space?  THEN it gets real.  Teams really need to be hurt for this stuff.

And I’m not saying Phil should not be suspended.  I’m just saying I kinda’ get where he’s coming from.  Honestly I *want* something to happen to an goon trying that.  Like, maybe even a career-ending something,  Something to really, really give those guys pause before doing stuff if we can’t run them out of the game entirely.  Because truthfully:  If Scott goes after Kessel, what possible consequences/ramifications are there that he’s REALLY going to care about?  None.  He’ll be in the box and out of the game, maybe suspended.  But he pays no on-ice price, and next time the teams play he maybe wouldn’t even dress.

Posted by Primis on 09/23/13 at 10:21 AM ET

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Kessel’s poking Scott after the melee was gutless instigation. I thought his slashes were gutless as well, but I’m in the minority there.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 09/23/13 at 10:32 AM ET

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Fining and suspending coaches doesn’t deter it though.  Coaches have been fined and suspended before, yet this happens.

Maybe take away a small chunk of a team’s cap space?  THEN it gets real.  Teams really need to be hurt for this stuff.

I think the problem is that fining and suspending coaches is so rare that it has no effective deterrence because Ron Rolston knows he can roll a goon out there to cause trouble and the worst he’s going to get out of that is that he can’t use John Scott in the regular season for a little while (which he shouldn’t be doing anyway because John Scott is objectively terrible at hockey).

Rolston doesn’t know that he’s going to get punished for what he did, so there’s no deterrence.  if Rolston absolutely knows he’s going to get it, I bet he coaches differently here.

Let’s go with a best of both worlds approach from your idea and mine:

Suspend a coach AND fine the organization. The amount the organization is fined comes off their cap space for that season as well.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 09/23/13 at 11:31 AM ET

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