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“I think the only thing I can say is it’s a first offer.  It’s a starting point. We’re going to consider it and figure out what our counter proposal is going to be. Yes, it is a little shocking when you first look at it but, again, that’s how negotiations work. You aim high and then try to move back from there.

“There is going to have to be a lot of give and take for us to come to an agreement. So we’re not too worried and we’re not panicking right now. We’re just going to take it one meeting at a time.”

-Cory Schneider, goaltender for the Vancouver Canucks on the CBA negotiations.  More from Elliott Pap of the Vancouver Sun.

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Mike Chen's avatar

This was my reaction to it. I think if you look at what most pundits consider to be the framework of a workable new CBA (based on pre-negotiation rhetoric), this sounds like the starting point for negotiations. I imagine the PA will counter with something similarly extreme, and then it’s a give and take.

I’m guessing the NHL’s goals are halfway between the current CBA and the proposal. So you start high and try to work your way down. I’m personally not panicking yet.

Posted by Mike Chen on 07/16/12 at 10:16 PM ET

Primis's avatar

I’m actually quite impressed that a member of the PA would make a sane, perfectly rational public comment about the proposal, instead of trying to use it to paint gloom and doom and paint the PA in a better light.

Posted by Primis on 07/17/12 at 02:36 AM ET

clownfat's avatar

How would overreacting to the first offer paint the PA in a better light? If anything I think his reasonable reaction does exactly what you say the doom and gloom reaction would have done.

Posted by clownfat on 07/17/12 at 02:57 AM ET


There are, obviously, a couple different issues at play here.

First and foremost, clearly it’s a negotiating process so this first proposal is, as Schneider suggests, not what the NHL seriously thinks it will get.

Secondly, however, it is what is in the NHL’s initial offer that tips their hand as far as the kinds of things they are looking to address… and the nature of those things cause me some significant concern.

The things which cause me the most concern are 1) the NHL maintaining their spectacularly stupid approach to salary cap floors and ceilings, specifically the hard band range and 2) The NHL looking to push UFA eligibility back.

The salary cap floor should be represented as a percentage of the salary cap ceiling.  It is profoundly ignorant to use hard-dollar banding for that kind of thing, because it will always end up with lower revenue teams getting screwed with absurdly high ‘floors’.

The UFA process as it currently is was written completely by the NHL.  They got every single thing they wanted.  A player who is drafted at 18 is in many cases still the Restricted property of the team that selected them as many as 7 years later already.  That teams stupidly bring players up immediately, ignore obvious vesting requirements, and fail to structure their RFA deals to cover the first couple UFA-eligible years isn’t a case of a poorly-designed structure, it’s a case of stupid owners and GMs.

Were the league to walk out UFA status to 10 years all we would see is an increase in player holdouts, because if they are going to be locked in to 1-3 mil a year compensation levels it is vastly more valuable for them to simply hold out and lose those lower comped years.

This is because it is impossible to legislate the ability of Owners and GMs to be idiots out of a league.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 07/17/12 at 07:22 AM ET

Faux Rumors's avatar

1) Based upon history this might be a “first Proposal” but its likely what the owners/Bettman wil ultimately get.  The owners evenatually win.
2) The only real issue(s) is the amount of money that is considered “Hockey Related Revenue” and what % the players are going to be allowed to recieve. All other issues are window dressing.

Posted by Faux Rumors from Globally- Here, there, Everywhere on 07/17/12 at 10:50 AM ET

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