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Evening Line Part 2

In additional tweets, Dater goes on to explain this is a depth player not on the Avalanche.

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Keep blaming this on the owners, everyone.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/06/12 at 10:56 PM ET

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Adrian Dater got called out by P.A. Parenteau for anti-Fehr rhetoric earlier today.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/06/12 at 10:59 PM ET

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When I think of “Sources for quality hockey information,” I always think “ADRIAN DATER”

Posted by LivinLaVidaLockout on 12/06/12 at 11:04 PM ET

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When I think of “Sources for quality hockey information,” I always think “ADRIAN DATER”

Posted by LivinLaVidaLockout on 12/06/12 at 10:04 PM ET

Exactly!

Posted by christpuncher from Detroit, MI on 12/06/12 at 11:10 PM ET

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I have always felt that to some degree Fehr has been motivated by “righting” the wrong of the last CBA. I think he see’s his role is to uphold the legacy of Marvin Miller and not let the NHL undo his legacy.  If the NHL prevails in this lockout he thinks the other leagues will follow. He especially wants to avoid having the MLB start taking a look at what is happening in the NHL, NBA and NFL and is trying to reverse course. This will naturally lead to a lost season, as the NHL will not back down.

Posted by timbits on 12/06/12 at 11:35 PM ET

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If the NHL prevails in this lockout he thinks the other leagues will follow.

Then he’s a moron because the NBA and the NFL already had this exact fight and pounded the players unions handily.

Baseball is the only sport that’s largely cap free and player-friendly… which leads to abominations like the Miami Marlins.

I think Fehr is an incredibly talented negotiator… but when you are across the table from people who literally aren’t affected if the season happens or not while your side will literally starve, you’re DOA.

The smart move now was the smart move two months ago and what I was proposing.  Negotiate right up until the full season was in jeopardy and then take the best deal available, even if that meant eating some contractual details they didn’t like.  Then at the next CBA try and walk some of those back when the owners would have a lot more at stake financially and they’d be willing to bend on some of that stuff rather than lose bucks.

Now the NHLPA is going to get the worst of all worlds.  They’re going to get a crappier deal.  They’re going to lose 1.5ish B in revenue.  They’re going to lose money in the future in whatever amount future revenue is depressed.

Adrian Dater got called out by P.A. Parenteau for anti-Fehr rhetoric earlier today.

I thought a report by a journalist regarding negotiations was true, JJ.  When did that change?  IIRC, wasn’t it taken as gospel when that reporter talked about Jacobs snarking at one of the Jets people?

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/06/12 at 11:53 PM ET

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“We were ready to play again. But Don came in (Wed.) and told us we could get more and to hold out”

Is it really worth it to “get more?” I mean how much per player are we talking about? Hope whoever that is weighs the “how much we can sock it to the owners” against what the market eventually bears out.

Posted by UMFan from Denver, Colorado on 12/07/12 at 12:21 AM ET

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I thought a report by a journalist regarding negotiations was true, JJ.  When did that change?  IIRC, wasn’t it taken as gospel when that reporter talked about Jacobs snarking at one of the Jets people?

No idea how you’ve twisted these two strands together. I was just offering a bit of perspective on some tweets by a guy who’s journalistic talents have long come under question.

Or do you have anything close to that in regards to Haggerty?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/07/12 at 12:28 AM ET

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Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/06/12 at 10:53 PM ET

Your argument holds no water. Just because something happened in the past doesn’t mean it will happen in the future. And even if you want to look at history for guidelines on what possibilities sit in front of the NHL and NHLPA, you have to consider not just the recent labor agreements in basketball and football, but also labor agreements Don Fehr led with baseball.

Your mindset about what the players should do is short-term (or even, if I’m feeling generous, medium-term)—every day they wait, they come closer to the point where sitting on the sidelines costs them money no matter how good of a deal they end up getting. This is myopic. Perhaps the issues at hand for the players are long-term issues, and they are willing to sacrifice money to put their union on steadier footing for future negotiations, and future generations of players.

There is a need for the union to reset their position against the league. They can’t just bend over and give back to the owners every single time. The owners need to learn how to handle their cash and solve some of their own problems. The precedent from the last negotiation put the players in a bad position, and if they let it happen again, the chances of going back on the next negotiation are even slimmer than they are now. If the union is beat down long enough, then you’ve got a great recipe for a strike that nobody wants.

And on another note… how on earth can you blame the CBA for the Miami Marlins fiasco? The Marlins are actually the perfect example that under bad, irresponsible ownership, no CBA can fix all the owners’ problems for them. Loria is an *#$%@&, any way you slice it. He basically stole taxpayer money. He hires poor management that are either behind the times or overridden by his own crazy ideas on personnel. When it doesn’t work, he blows everything up. He essentially acts in a way that sure looks as if he doesn’t want fans. He does everything he can to alienate them. He shoots for the pessimistic goal of cutting until he achieves a profit instead of building into something profitable. This isn’t a failure of the CBA in baseball, it’s a failure of Loria.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 12/07/12 at 08:56 AM ET

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Gordie Howe should have just accepted his $40 k and Red Wings jacket and the owners would have kept ticket prices at reasonable rates too.

And if what Fehr said is true, so what at this point? The owners have the right to lockout the league for 90 days and then it is a cardinal sin when the players screw up their negotiating tactic by not giving in when the NHL needs a 60 plus game schedule to keep their endorsement deals whole. I thought the longer this went on the more leverage the owners had? The owners brought it to a stop, now deal with the consequences.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 12/07/12 at 10:56 AM ET

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