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Early Morning Line- Steve Yzerman

"I learned a lot from Kenny, even before I retired, talking about the league, players, signings… I always talked about things with him, and the four years after I retired, we talked about contracts, how he managed situations, how he handled things. The logic behind the decisions that he had to make. It was a tremendous education.

"Kenny was very, very selfless. To this day I talk to him about things. He hasn’t changed a bit. He is very, very humble."

-Steve Yzerman, GM of the Detroit Red Wings on Ken Holland.  Mark Spector of Sportsnet has more on Holland.

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Chet's avatar

If you think, as I do, that Holland had no choice from ownership but to keep chasing Cups as late as maybe even 2017-18, his legacy as a builder makes perfect sense.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 11/11/21 at 03:36 AM ET

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My thing is why would ownership mandate keep chasing cups and literally the next year or two see him out when he’s supposed to start a rebuild? HoFer, 36 years a red wing.  I think he got tons of autonomy.

Posted by ThatGuy on 11/11/21 at 06:30 AM ET

ilovehomers's avatar

ownership

Ownership changed

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/11/21 at 07:11 AM ET

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I remember them signing a nearly washed mike modano for like 2010 and ilitch sr. saying he felt “Cup-py.” Nope. Franchise off the rails. Maybe Holland thought that was a good idea, but I doubt it.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 11/11/21 at 09:09 AM ET

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Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 11/11/21 at 03:36 AM ET

100%, this was the direction.

Holland succeed in the draft, he failed in the draft, and frankly most GMs do the same, that’s life betting on 18 year old kids.

Holland’s drafting was knock it out of the park good for a long stretch and then water found its level, and he didn’t replicate early success. 

Can you say his early success was the Wings being ahead of the curve and putting more expense and focus on European and Russian scouting before the league caught up, sure.

Can you say the later lack of success were a factor of going all in on cups, trading draft picks for less chances at bet, and picking 20th and above counters that, sure.

Can you say that the period in which we drafted really terribly was when Jim Nill was in charge, actually yes, that’s a fact, but never the less, Holland pulls the final lever, sure.

Can you say that while we bash the drafting in last years, this team does have Larkin, Bertuzzi, Hronek, and soon to be Berggren whom are all top tier players, and Mantha returned us Vrana and Cossa, though credit to Stevie for the trade.

Can we say that the draft picks we had the past two years, materialized with Holland setting the path to tank this team, timing most contracts to come due over the past 3 years.

I’ll get off my soapbox and just conclude and say the monday morning QB’ing and hatred spewed against a DRW HOF GM is often over the top, dude had his faults without doubt, loved and overpaid his own guys, but his hand has rings on it too

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 11/11/21 at 09:15 AM ET

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Christ, Murray, let’s not anoint him the second coming. Most of his success came before the cap era. Certainly fair to say he and his staff failed to adjust properly. 2008 was therefore a big accomplishment, to be fair.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 11/11/21 at 09:30 AM ET

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Christ, Murray, let’s not anoint him the second coming.
Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 11/11/21 at 09:30 AM ET

Never have never will, I think he’s just an above average GM myself that found himself in the right position at the right time.  No different than a lot of GMs in this league people fawn over.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Window Seat on the Captain's Ship on 11/11/21 at 10:09 AM ET

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Frankly, I think Kenny is a good person, too personally involved in his players, thus the loyalty thing.  He went the extra mile with players.  He will stick by the team in Edmonton right now, he may need a goalie but I think he has a Cup team there.  Good for him but the team was built for him.

Posted by jhpcarrier97 on 11/11/21 at 12:58 PM ET

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Yep jhp… goaltending may be an issue.  Mike Smith was supposed to be day to day, then he was week to week, no left the team yesterday to head back to Edmonton for testing.  Could be an issue.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/11/21 at 01:07 PM ET

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If the team is built for him, then did someone else make the poor decisions, or is Holland only responsible for the bad things?

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/11/21 at 01:12 PM ET

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Lets not forget how tribal Illitch Sr was. Fedorov may never get his number retired because of contract shenanigans. He was the same way with Tigers players

Posted by ilovehomers on 11/11/21 at 01:14 PM ET

Chet's avatar

EDM should be trying to get Leddy at the deadline and maybe some goalie help.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 11/11/21 at 07:21 PM ET

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I’ll get off my soapbox and just conclude and say the monday morning QB’ing and hatred spewed against a DRW HOF GM is often over the top, dude had his faults without doubt, loved and overpaid his own guys, but his hand has rings on it too”

Well said and spot on Murray!

Posted by Rumbear from Top O the Hasek, sing along The YzerMan Can!...... on 11/12/21 at 09:25 PM ET

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