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Don’t Plan On Nash Landing In Detroit

from Pierre LeBrun of ESPN,

If I had to wager, I’d say the New York Rangers and Los Angeles Kings are the most likely new homes for Rick Nash if there’s a pre-deadline deal.

But there’s certainly an Original Six team that would like Nash’s services if this were June and not February—the Detroit Red Wings.

I also believe Nash would love to play for the Wings, but the odds of him landing in Hockeytown before Feb. 27 are not great whatsoever.

The factors:

• Nash’s $7.8-million-cap hit is too large for Detroit to absorb now unless they give up roster players that they don’t want to get rid of.

• The optics of the Blue Jackets moving Nash to the hated Red Wings are brutal for fans in Columbus. At the very least, they would make the divisional rivals pay more than most other teams in the mix, not wanting to have Nash parade around in the Central for the next six years.

continued plus topics such as today’s trades, Kings thinking offense and a temporary salary cap…

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LeBrun is a moron.

A) Detroit can absorb literally three contracts the size of Nash’s if they made those trades at the deadline.  LeBrun is wildly wrong on the facts there.

B) Columbus is in shambles. They are 26th in attendance this year and they were 27th last year and they were 22nd the year before.  With Nash.  If they kept the whole gang together they would be what next year… 25th?  27th?  Worse?  The ‘oh the fans will stop coming’ argument only works if the fans were coming in the first place.

C) Although LeBrun is factually wrong, I don;t think Nash will end up in Detroit either… but mostly because I don’t think the Wings should have to give up much for a guy whose contract is, at best, market neutral.  I’d rather give up the hypothetical farm for a player without the long term deal, said deal I could then tailor more to the needs of the team via extra years at the end of the contract.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 02/17/12 at 12:27 AM ET

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LeBrun’s a moron because he was wrong about the salary cap?

Every other part of his argument was sound.

Posted by Garth on 02/17/12 at 12:45 AM ET

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The wings could absorb his cap hit for the duration of the season.  It would mean clearing $3million in cap the next season and tough choices the season after when Jimmy Howard and Ian White are due big raises.  In other words, it’s not going to happen.

Posted by Chris in A^2 from Nyquist Puck Control on 02/17/12 at 01:05 AM ET

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The wings could absorb his cap hit for the duration of the season. It would mean clearing $3million in cap the next season and tough choices the season after when Jimmy Howard and Ian White are due big raises.  In other words, it’s not going to happen.

Posted by Chris in A^2 from Nyquist Puck Control on 02/16/12 at 10:05 PM ET

Not true, with Nick, Stuie, Homer among others not signed for next year they don’t need to clear any room for next year as it stands right now, they have more than enough cap and tagging space for next season.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 02/17/12 at 01:18 AM ET

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This deal makes a ton of sense for both sides.  The only reason he’s probably not going to end up with the Wings is the divisional issue LeBrun brings up.  Which is too bad given one of DET or the BJ’s will likely be on the move division-wise once the Phoneix situation is resolved.  But turning down a chance at Nash just because of cap considerations or because others have taken a hometown discount would be insane.  Its Kenny’s job to make the team better and this is the best possible way to do it.

Posted by BrendonR on 02/17/12 at 01:35 AM ET

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Its Kenny’s job to make the team better and this is the best possible way to do it.

Who’s to say that the team will be better picking up Nash when you consider what they would have to give up in order to get him?

Posted by Garth on 02/17/12 at 01:39 AM ET

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This deal makes a ton of sense for both sides.

Also, by both sides do you mean Detroit and Nash or Detroit and Columbus?  It certainly doesn’t make sense for Columbus to deal to what right now is a divisional rival.

Posted by Garth on 02/17/12 at 01:43 AM ET

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Detroit is in a unique position in that their prospects are sought after just because they’re Wings.  They may be able to make it happen without more than one or two roster guys lost.  However, I really don’t see it happening.  Wouldn’t you expect CBJ ownership to be considering hiring a different auctioneer?

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 02/17/12 at 02:04 AM ET

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Franzen.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 02/17/12 at 02:04 AM ET

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Columbus needs a starting goaltender and defensive depth. 

Which players in Detroit’s organization are we sending to them to make this deal make sense?  Are you comfortable with the level of organizational depth in defensive prospects? We have Kindl and Smith and then a very sharp drop-off in NHL-level talent. If Lidstrom and Stuart both leave in the offseason, Detroit will have to deal from a position of weakness to fill organizational holes through either free agency (where contracts are large) or through throwing prospects/picks at players’ rights in the hope that Kenny can convince a guy like Suter to take less than Philadelphia or any of the other dozen teams out there are going to offer.

Personally, I’m more worried about the future of our defense than the need to get Rick Nash on our top line. I trust Ken Holland and would accept a deal that would be made, but I don’t quite see how Holland convinces Howson to take a deal that’s sensible for both teams.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/17/12 at 02:07 AM ET

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Not true, with Nick, Stuie, Homer among others not signed for next year they don’t need to clear any room for next year as it stands right now, they have more than enough cap and tagging space for next season.
- John W

Sure, but you’d still have to lose one of those guys for Nash to fit next season, and then you have to find $5-6 million in cap to pay White and Jimmy the season afterwards.

If Stuart decides to walk or Lidstrom decides to retire, I’m really not looking forward to a rookie blueline that can’t be upgraded because we’re spending 26 million in cap on four forwards.

Posted by Chris in A^2 from Nyquist Puck Control on 02/17/12 at 02:10 AM ET

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Columbus needs a starting goaltender and defensive depth.

Which players in Detroit’s organization are we sending to them to make this deal make sense?
-JJ

Petr Mrazek is the one top prospect I’m OK with the wings trading because we should be set at goaltending for the foreseeable future.  And because his value is high, and you never know how goalies will progress at the next level, especially in this organization

The other guys… with the age of the wing’s stars and the long term contracts, the wings need their top prospects now to be producing in the next 4 years on cheap contracts, or the dynasty is over.

Posted by Chris in A^2 from Nyquist Puck Control on 02/17/12 at 02:16 AM ET

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If Stuart decides to walk or Lidstrom decides to retire, I’m really not looking forward to a rookie blueline that can’t be upgraded because we’re spending 26 million in cap on four forwards.

Bingo.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 02/17/12 at 02:26 AM ET

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Petr Mrazek is the one top prospect I’m OK with the wings trading because we should be set at goaltending for the foreseeable future.

Honestly, I hadn’t even thought of Mrazek because he’s not NHL-ready. I guess if Columbus commits to going into a three or four-year rebuild it would make sense, but I still think Columbites (Columbusians? Columbusers?) would burn down the organization if the team went into a lengthy (and probably necessary) rebuilt by trading Nash to Detroit.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/17/12 at 02:36 AM ET

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Don’t Plan On Nash Landing In Detroit

From Paul’s lips (keyboard) to God’s ears. The BJs would want a current roster player, a top forward prospect (like Tatar or Nyquist), Brendan Smith and at least one first-round pick for Nash. He’s not even close to being worth that much.

Let the Rangers or the Kings have him. The Wings need to start build their future team from their own talent – not from some over-priced, lazy-ass player who’s spent his whole career working in a loser organization. Given salary cap issues and potential, I’d take the work ethic and talent of Nyquist alone over Nash any day.

My prediction is that Tick Tock will pick up a gritty third-line or fourth line forward (someone like Gaustad) and, maybe, a tough #5 or #6 d-man at the deadline. And that will be it (unless NJ is willing to let Parise go for Kindl and a 2nd-round pick).

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 02/17/12 at 03:06 AM ET

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I don’t understand why Wings fans want Nash anywhere near Hockeytown.  The Wings don’t need another forward with motivational problems…. so you’ll all have to excuse me for saying no fuching way do I want to see him in Red and White.  That guy has to have the numbest pair of nuts in the whole NHL.

Moreover, looking towards the future, it would be dumb to waste that much cap space on Canada’s answer to Ilya Kovalchuk when Ryan Suter and Shea Weber might be available this summer.  If the Wings talk to the Jackets about anybody, I think RJ Umberger provides better bang for your buck.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 02/17/12 at 04:06 AM ET

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Moreover, looking towards the future, it would be dumb to waste that much cap space on Canada’s answer to Ilya Kovalchuk when Ryan Suter and Shea Weber might be available this summer.

Stuart leaving, which unfortunately seems likely with his family situation and no contract renewal, opens up the cap and roster space needed for either of those guys to happen. It also should result in a better cap situation and leave the team more prepared for when Lidstrom decides to retire (hopefully in his 50s, after several more Norris trophies and Cups).

Posted by Chris in A^2 from Nyquist Puck Control on 02/17/12 at 05:10 AM ET

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The Wings don’t need another forward with motivational problems….

You’d have motivational problems in Columbus, too.

The Wings need to start build their future team from their own talent – not from some over-priced, lazy-ass player who’s spent his whole career working in a loser organization.

Start? #s 35, 5, 55, 4, 52, 13, 40, 96, 93, 51, 26, 43, 8 are Detroit’s own talent, plus Smith, Nyquist, Tatar, Ferraro, Sheahan and Mrazek. Even if we give up one or two of those, the core’s still here.

Honestly, I hadn’t even thought of Mrazek because he’s not NHL-ready.

I doubt Columbus would take a shot at Mrazek. One team that needs future goaltending? The Devils. How much would it cost to land Parise? Would it be worth to give it to NJ, when there’s no guarantees he’s more than just a rental? (as opposed to Nash?)

That said, I’d take Suter or Weber over Parise or Nash every day, but I’d take Parise/Nash over anyone else.

Posted by Herm from the office on 02/17/12 at 09:49 AM ET

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Nash is redundant at the price CBS would want.  DET has a Nash-type scorer already, and at a MUCH friendlier cap number.

Introducing Johan Franzen…

And as much as people beat Franzen up for his play, can you IMAGINE the complaining about Nash?

Go get that defenseman, Kenny.  Let someone else overpay for Nash…

Posted by Primis on 02/17/12 at 09:58 AM ET

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Columbus is a RIVAL? who knew

Posted by Rdwings28 on 02/17/12 at 10:30 AM ET

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Nash is redundant at the price CBS would want.  DET has a Nash-type scorer already

As much as I’d love to have Nash on the team, I can understand most of the reasoning on why this could not happen. Except that one.

“We already have a world-class (almost) power-forward, why would we need another one?”

Posted by Herm from the office on 02/17/12 at 10:35 AM ET

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Lebrun is spot-on here. I’m all for being willing to give up multiple top prospects if it returns someone like Nash or Bobby Ryan, or Suter or Weber. But at this stage, none of those will realistically happen until the offseason, and frankly, I wouldn’t want them to. In the case of the Nashville pair and Nash, these are the types of contracts that you don’t want to negotiate and/or acquire until the offseason, where you have a better picture of what other players are doing and where the CBA is headed.

I think the most talented player the Wings have any shot at landing would be Teemu, and it’s only realistic to expect him to be available if the Ducks lose at least 2 of their next 5 games… which is very possible, but they are hanging on by a thread.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 02/17/12 at 10:53 AM ET

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The only reason I’d like to see Nash on the wings is I hate watching him score shorthanded against the wings. That’s not enough reason to sell the barn to buy a new horse.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 02/17/12 at 11:29 AM ET

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The only reason I’d like to see Nash on the wings is I hate watching him score shorthanded against the wings. That’s not enough reason to sell the barn to buy a new horse.

Don’t discount that factor. He scores like hell against Detroit with no-name guys in Columbus, now try to imagine him with the Sedins, Thornton or in Philadelphia.

Posted by Herm from the office on 02/17/12 at 11:43 AM ET

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The price is wrong. In $$ and prospects. If he is all that, why is CBJ always at the bottom?
A great player makes others around him better. I haven’t seen that from Rick Nash.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 02/17/12 at 11:54 AM ET

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Nash will not end up in Detroit… that cap hit is brutal.  He’s a very good hockey player, and the Wings could use a player like him but not for 7.8 million.  Plus it would cost too much to bring him over (roster players/ace prospects/draft picks)

I think that there are some good free agents this year… I bet a lot of guys would love to play in Hockeytown next season so why pay for a guy with a rediculous contract when you could potentially snag someone out of free agency?

Plus I would rather invest money in the blueline, not a soon-to-be 28 year old struggling power forward in need of change.

Posted by JHVRay on 02/17/12 at 11:55 AM ET

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i was at the game when he got his unassisted hat trick. I took my wife that night, she is now under a lifetime ban.

Posted by Rdwings28 on 02/17/12 at 12:06 PM ET

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If he is all that, why is CBJ always at the bottom?

Because he’s one player.

Posted by Garth on 02/17/12 at 01:43 PM ET

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Because he’s one player.

Posted by Garth on 02/17/12 at 10:43 AM ET

Garth, I have to pick a bone with you on that point.  As captain in Columbus, Nash has been a coach killer.  The team publicly walked off the job under Hitchcock.  The Jackets wouldn’t work for Scott Arniel, or any of the coaches before Hitch.  At some point responsibility for that falls on the team captain.

I’m not trying to tell you that Nash should have a Stanley Cup by now, but c’mon…. one playoff birth (that had less to do with Nash and more to do with Steve Mason)?  They could have at least been in the playoff hunt now and then. 

I’m not denying Nash’s talent, or the monumental task the CBJ laid at his feet.  Nonetheless, you see the true extent of a player’s determination when the chips are down, and I can’t point to a time when Nash ever rose to the occasion.  I don’t think he has the character we’ve come to expect in Detroit.

Posted by bezukov from the kids are alright. on 02/17/12 at 02:19 PM ET

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I won’t argue that he shouldn’t be captain, but all the same, a sniper is still only one player and more than that, a sniper is less likely to make his teammates better than a playmaker is.  A playmaker can find a player anywhere and get the puck to him whereas a sniper can only get open.  If someone doesn’t get the puck to him then he can’t score.

There’s a reason that people rolled their eyes when Columbus traded for Carter, another scoring forward, instead of a set-up man for Nash.

Posted by Garth on 02/17/12 at 04:10 PM ET

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Even Kovalchuk had help.  I can’t think of anyone who was more asked to do and be everything, from the fvcking wing too.  “Just get it to Nash and then follow him in.”  Guy has never even worked with a legitimate top pairing on D.

Posted by tuxedoTshirt from the Home of the 1937 World Champions on 02/18/12 at 03:14 AM ET

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