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Did Columbus Do The Right Thing By Rejecting Islanders’  Proposed Offer?

from Aaron Portzline of Puck-Rakers,

How highly did the Blue Jackets value defenseman Ryan Murray before taking him with the No. 2 overall pick in Friday’s first round of the NHL Draft? Enough to turn down an eye-opening offer from the New York Islanders, who, according to numerous NHL sources, offered all of their picks—one in each round—for the right to move up from No. 4 to No. 2 for Murray.

That’s right, for the Jackets’ No. 2 pick, the Islanders offered pick Nos. 4, 34, 65, 103, 125, 155 and 185.

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WOW, Murray may be good, but I am not sure he is that good. That many picks along with Columbus’ own picks allows Howson plenty of opportunity to screw up and still get it right in the end.

Posted by timbits on 06/25/12 at 01:58 PM ET

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It shall be fun to compare how Murray and whoever the Islanders 4th pick was, end up playing for each team

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 06/25/12 at 02:00 PM ET

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Now he just screwed up.

Posted by kelevra on 06/25/12 at 02:01 PM ET

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If true, that would be insane to turn down, maybe even more insane than offering everything in the first place. IF the Islanders did offer everything for the number 2 pick, I doubt it would have been for Murray more likely Galchenyuk, but instead of moving all seven picks for one defenseman they used all seven picks for seven defensemen instead. Let’s see if quantity or quality wins out,

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 06/25/12 at 02:16 PM ET

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I refuse to believe that even the crazy management on Long Island would’ve seriously put this offer on the table.

Unless something more substantial comes out other than “numerous NHL sources” and reading into a quote from Howson about an “attractive” offer, this is just totally unbelievable.

If there’s any truth to this, I’m just sad that the Wings didn’t tank this year, get the #2 pick, and then make this trade. Because oh sweet baby Jesus what Jim Nill would’ve done with a draft class that size.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/25/12 at 02:31 PM ET

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I have trouble with reports like this…. Very skeptical.  But porty usually doesn’t sling BS around too often.

The real issue is with the obvious lack of confidence in the scouting department, the complete ineptitude shown to be able to successfully identify raw talent, this was the right choice.  They *HAD* to go with the proven talent, bar none.  Their scouting department has managed to screw up SO much in the past.  Giving them 7 more opportunities to do the same thing just doesn’t seem like the right direction for that organization at that time.

Posted by Zaze on 06/25/12 at 02:32 PM ET

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Even Garth Snow wouldn’t be that stupid as to shit can an entire draft class for a kid who will be gone after his first arbitration award.  But Howson is definitely dumb enough to turn it down.

Posted by Hootinani on 06/25/12 at 02:48 PM ET

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Columbus does not have good enough scouting to have been able to make hay out of these potential picks.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 06/25/12 at 02:54 PM ET

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I don’t know what’s more bizarre, that Snow made this offer or the jackets turned it down. An extra 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th and 7th to move down a whopping two spots with your first and Howson said no? He better be praying Murray is Ray Bourque and not Jay Bouwmeester. Otherwise this is likely to be an incredibly stupid trade decline.

Posted by larry from pitt on 06/25/12 at 02:56 PM ET

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This is what happens when dumb and dumber get together.  The only way this gets better is if Sutter was still Calgary’s GM and somehow got himself involved in this by acquiring Alexi Yashin’s annual cap hit.

Posted by 11B4PF7 in MN on 06/25/12 at 03:14 PM ET

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I don’t buy that Howson turned this offer down because of a lack of confidence in the club’s scouting. With that many picks (and let’s not forget, they would’ve still had the fourth overall pick… essentially as likely to land a good, long-term NHLer as the second overall pick), even the worst collection of NHL scouts are still professionals capable of taking the best player (or one of the two best players) available at each pick based on Central Scouting’s final rankings. And they’d be essentially doubling their chances that the players they take each round actually pan out to expectation.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/25/12 at 03:18 PM ET

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@Hootinani Exactly why would a kid the Islanders select “be gone after his first arbitration award”?  When exactly have the Islanders ever lost any young player in the Garth Snow because of an arbitration award or any reason having to do with money?  If you knew anything at al you would know that the Islanders have consistently locked up all their good young players on multi-year deals.  Heck, they even lock up veteran goalies who previously hold out if they want to.  Get real.  The Milbury era is long over.

Posted by nyifan on 06/25/12 at 04:20 PM ET

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We finally have the answer to that age-old question:

What would happen if an eminently resistable force meets an easily movable object?

Hilarity is what happens, people.  Hilarity.

What a pair of morons running these clubs.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 06/25/12 at 04:55 PM ET

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This has to have been leaked with someone that has an axe to grind with Howson. Do you think any one of the scouts that was fired immediately after the draft let this slip?

The only way this is even semi-credible, is that Snow offered all of his picks if Yakupov was still on the board because the Oilers went back shit crazy. When I originally read this, it wasn’t apparent that this was proposed before the draft, so it wouldn’t necessarily have been for Murray. OR, Wang was walking the draft floor and asked Howson if he would give him the number two for all of his picks just to see his response. 

Back-up goaltender jokes aside, Snow has done a good job picking up pieces on a limited budget below the cap floor. He was the “clown” that got Nabokov for two seasons even when the blogosphere knew he would never report.  Managed to get Moulson, PAP and Grabner for nothing as well and has steadily stockpiled picks. Signed Tavares toa five year deal when all Tavares “REALLY” wanted to do was sign with the Leafs.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 06/25/12 at 05:11 PM ET

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The only way this is even semi-credible, is that Snow offered all of his picks if Yakupov was still on the board because the Oilers went back shit crazy. When I originally read this, it wasn’t apparent that this was proposed before the draft, so it wouldn’t necessarily have been for Murray. OR, Wang was walking the draft floor and asked Howson if he would give him the number two for all of his picks just to see his response.

Back-up goaltender jokes aside, Snow has done a good job picking up pieces on a limited budget below the cap floor. He was the “clown” that got Nabokov for two seasons even when the blogosphere knew he would never report.  Managed to get Moulson, PAP and Grabner for nothing as well and has steadily stockpiled picks. Signed Tavares toa five year deal when all Tavares “REALLY” wanted to do was sign with the Leafs.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 06/25/12 at 03:11 PM ET

Good post.

First, I agree that I just cannot believe that even if a “proposal” like this was floated out there, that it was anything other than a, “Hell, let’s just get their attention with this one, and then see if they’ll talk an actual realistic offer.”

And while Snow has done a few odd things, overall he has done about as well as you could expect with that club given how many things put him behind the 8-ball. He’s got to deal with bad, inconsistent, and questionably dedicated ownership. He’s got to deal with a bad arena that no fans want to go to except the most absolute die-hard. And he has to deal with essentially a full generation of NY-area hockey fans completely lost on his club thanks to the success of the Rangers and Devils, and the failure of the Islanders before he arrived.

Anyways, I think the comments should be more about how the Islanders as a full organization are pretty bad. Snow is working in spite of it, and not doing a bad job considering the many handicaps facing him.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/25/12 at 05:29 PM ET

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Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 06/25/12 at 03:11 PM ET

Good points about Snow. Jeff Marek, Greg Wyshynski and Chris Botta all agree with Portzline that this offer was made, but all point to the offer as coming from WANG, absolving Snow of any responsibility.

A lot of the time I just feel bad for Snow. He’ll pick some decent players up for nothing (Grabner, Parenteau, Molson), make a couple of shrewd picks (Hamonik, Strome), dodge the right contract bullets (cough, wisniewski)  but doesn’t know that he won’t get to the office and see some weird memo telling him to get rid of Blake Comeau’s contract RIGHT THIS SECOND or saying that some 18 year old kid who’s obviously not ready MUST make the team so they can get to the cap floor without spending to the cap floor.

Posted by larry from pitt on 06/25/12 at 06:24 PM ET

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Blake Comeau’s contract RIGHT THIS SECOND

Turns out he may have been right on that one too, get rid of him before it got any worse. Calgary didn’t qualify him either and the Islanders saved a good chunk of change for the past season. For a team with severe budget limitations it couldn’t hurt. I thought he had some value after his 24 goal season, but apparently not.

The Nino thing, I place on Snow, every GM will make mistakes. Hell, Yzerman thought Roloson was the answer after looking good with the Islanders.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 06/25/12 at 06:33 PM ET

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A very enlightening post was just made on a CBJ blog analyzing the same draft positions the Isles offered (allegedly) in the last 8 or so drafts trading for the #2 pick…...Howson’s not crazy.  Check it out. It may answer some of these questions for you.
http://www.theunionblue.com/2012/06/25/why-scott-howson-made-the-right-decision/#more-1841

Posted by Curley on 06/25/12 at 07:23 PM ET

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Can’t tell with these kids.  Some kid drafted in 4th round could end up a superstar.  Just look how many great NHLers were never drafted.

Posted by 13 user names on 06/25/12 at 07:30 PM ET

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I was being flippant when I said COL scouts couldn’t deal with those added picks. Cub scouts with power rankings could do well in a draft with double picks. I wish there was a sarcasm font. ; )

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 06/26/12 at 02:24 AM ET

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Turns out he may have been right on that one too, get rid of him before it got any worse.

My point is he should have been able to get something...anything for a guy coming off a 25 goal season. Not just waive him. He didn’t make it all that deep into the waiver list until someone claimed him, so there had to be interest. Mark Letestu had less of a pedigree than Comeau and at least fetched a 4th.

Which makes me think he was on a management-imposed time-frame to ditch Comeau that day.

Posted by larry from pitt on 06/26/12 at 05:53 AM ET

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Which makes me think he was on a management-imposed time-frame to ditch Comeau that day

I agree it was a salary dump and I was one of many who felt he had to have value, some kind of value, even a seventh rounder, but the thought of paying him one more day seemed to take priority. How much was Letestu making and did they do Comeau a favor since he was in the dog house anyway?

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 06/26/12 at 11:59 AM ET

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