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Define Poaching

from Mark Spector of Sportsnet,

Joyce Clark admits that she is a hockey “newbie.” On her Twitter account, the Glendale, Arizona, councilor prefaces her opinions on the play of the Phoenix Coyotes with qualifiers like, “I am a novice hockey fan.”

So it’s probably fair to assume that she wouldn’t have a clue about how her new favourite team came to be at the expense of the City of Winnipeg, where there are more hockey fans residing in any three neighbourhoods than live within all of Glendale….

So it was ludicrous on so many levels Wednesday, when Clark tweeted:

I will be so pleased when Coyotes issue is settled. Then all of these Canadian poachers can move on to another team and another city.

As a councilor of a city that poached the Coyotes from the city that poached the Jets from Winnipeg, that takes guts. But Glendale councilors have proven ready to say or do almost anything, facts and consequences be damned. That could be why the jurisdiction is swimming in debt these days.


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awould's avatar

always classy. i’m pretty sure Phoenix wasn’t putting the full court press to poach a hockey team back then. it was more of a back room deal and anyone alive at that time could tell the team wasn’t going to survive in winnipeg. the drool running down the chin of these Canadian fanboi and media types is pathetic.

Posted by awould on 05/25/12 at 03:22 PM ET

DocF's avatar

Well, the team sure as hell has not survived in Phoenix (Glendale) has it?  Only the stubborn refusal to face facts on the part of the Evil Garden Gnome has kept the other teams in the NHL bleeding huge amounts of cash to keep the Quebec Coyotes in the desert.


Posted by DocF from Now: Lynn Haven, FL; was Reidsville, NC on 05/25/12 at 04:19 PM ET

awould's avatar

Posted by DocF on 05/25/12 at 02:19 PM ET

that has nothing to do with my point.

I don’t disagree that hockey’s not exactly working out in Glendale, but the amount of schadenfreude coming down from Canada is despicable. It’s a constant stream of rumor and innuendo to keep the pressure on moving the Coyotes, and the worst part is how they castigate the fans down here like they’re a bunch of yokel idiots who don’t deserve to lay eyes on Canada’s apparent birth right of a game.

not sure if this is how Paul meant it, but I take the title of this blog entry - Define Poaching - to mean exactly that. It’s not an apples to apples comparison between how Phoenix quietly landed a team through Bettman’s master plan as it is to how Canada is trying desperately to wrench a team in trouble. They’re like vultures but instead of waiting for the carcass to be available, they’re actively trying to kill it.

Posted by awould on 05/25/12 at 04:39 PM ET


They’re like vultures but instead of waiting for the carcass to be available, they’re actively trying to kill it.

While I understand your point, and agree that the Canadian media can be quite over the top with their anti-American rhetoric, I’d say that carcass, from an off-ice standpoint, has been stinking of death for quite a while.

Posted by Chris from Ottawa on 05/25/12 at 05:35 PM ET

awould's avatar

I’d say that carcass, from an off-ice standpoint, has been stinking of death for quite a while.

You might be right. From my home in Gilbert, the arena in Glendale is too far away to drive to for a game, much less smell its rotting flesh. 

I hope hockey stays here though, I like being able to take in some games.

Posted by awould on 05/25/12 at 05:39 PM ET

Primis's avatar

Don’t forget: the Flames exist in Calgary because they were “poached” from Atlanta.  So yes, 2/7 of the current Canadian teams exist because they were swiped from American markets.

It doesn’t have to do with Canadian vs American markets, it has to do with what is the best, open, available market when the current market isn’t working.

Phoenix probably could be a good, workable market.  Unfortunately, Glendale is not Phoenix, and the Sports and Entertainment District is on the West side of Glendale over by 101, and kinda’ in the middle of nowhere.  And certainly not near most of metro Phoenix.  The outcome seems inevitable.

Posted by Primis on 05/25/12 at 05:52 PM ET


Why do these Canadians have such complexes?  I swear it seems to have gotten worse since the lockout. 

Hockey is a business, not a Canadian religion.

Posted by 13 user names on 05/25/12 at 07:45 PM ET


I have to remind myself all the time that this isn’t about Canadians, but the Canadian media and their dumb followers. If you read the media and took it at face value and assumed they were speaking for all Canadians, things would get ugly fast between the two hockey countries. That being said, I think the amount of insecurity is rising in Canadian hockey. The US has dramatically increased its share of the NHL draft. Americans are payng more attention to hockey, the US has the vast majority of professional hockey teams and the junior leagues are booming. The US has won the U18 world championship 4 years in a row. So there are reasons to worry in the great white north that their control of the game is waning. This is why there is so much hysteria in Canada about the sunbelt. Because once California, Texas and Florida start pumping out NHL drafts, the game is over! You combine this with the concerted media effort driven by Mr. Thompson owner of the Jets and the Globe and Mail and CBC’s nationalist agenda via hockey and you have the perfect storm of anit-americanism you see in this article. One of these days when American fans and media get over their one sided love affair with hockey in Canada the gloves will come off. My guess is that day comes when the US surpasses Canada in NHL drafted players.

Posted by timbits on 05/26/12 at 02:12 PM ET

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