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Carolina Trades Ron Hainsey To Pittsburgh

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added 10:27am, Carolina press release is below...

RALEIGH, NC - Ron Francis, Executive Vice President and General Manager of the National Hockey League's Carolina Hurricanes, today announced that the team has acquired a second-round selection in the 2017 NHL Draft and forward Danny Kristo from the Pittsburgh Penguins in exchange for defenseman Ron Hainsey.

Kristo, 26, has totaled 13 points (6g, 7a) and 12 penalty minutes in 40 games with the Chicago Wolves and Wilkes-Barre/Scranton Penguins in the American Hockey League (AHL) this season. The Edina, MN, native was originally selected by the Montreal Canadiens in the second round, 56th overall, of the 2008 NHL Entry Draft, and has earned 153 points (78g, 75a) in 267 career AHL games with Hamilton, Hartford, Chicago and Wilkes-Barre/Scranton. Prior to turning professional, Kristo spent four seasons at the University of North Dakota, where he was a 2012-13 AHCA West First-Team All-American. He has represented the United States in a number of international tournaments including the 2008 U-18 World Junior Championship, the 2009 and 2010 World Junior Championships and the 2013 IIHF World Championship.

Hainsey, 35, played 300 games in a Hurricanes uniform, ranking 10th among defensemen since the team's arrival in North Carolina. The Bolton, CT, native is in his 14th NHL season and has totaled 250 points (49g, 201a) in 891 career NHL games.

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Ataris18's avatar

I remember thinking Hainsey was pretty solid oh i dunno, 10 years ago.  Anyone pay enough attention to think this is a good deal? Maybe pittsburgh thinking their 2nd round pick is basically a 3rd rounder?  Is Brendan Smith now worth a first?

Posted by Ataris18 from House on 02/23/17 at 11:25 AM ET

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Very surprised Canes pulled a 2nd round pick, even though a low one and a player for Hainsey.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/23/17 at 11:33 AM ET

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So much for a buyer’s market. Without knowing anything of Hainsey, Ron Francis just destroyed the Penguins.

Posted by ilovehomers on 02/23/17 at 11:37 AM ET

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I’m thinking this is a positive development for Smith’s return.  Does it take PIT out of the running for his services?

I find hilarious the news reports which put TOR in the running for Smith.  Uncle Mike didn’t exactly see BS at the top of his game…

Posted by The Meal from Firestone, CO on 02/23/17 at 11:38 AM ET

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Agreed on Smith TM and Canes retain 50% of Hainsey contract.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 02/23/17 at 11:39 AM ET

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Guess that’s one less customer for Smith.

Posted by leftwing on 02/23/17 at 11:49 AM ET

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Seems like a high pick for a 5/6 defenseman.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 02/23/17 at 12:11 PM ET

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I remember thinking Hainsey was pretty solid oh i dunno, 10 years ago.  Anyone pay enough attention to think this is a good deal?

Posted by Ataris18 from House on 02/23/17 at 10:25 AM ET

Hainsey has been playing on Carolina’s first pairing alongside Justin Faulk.  IMHO he’s not a first-pairing d-man though, and it was more a thing where CAR has so many young d-men they wanted a vet there, rather than him being an actual 1st pairing guy.

It’s a very short-term fix for PIT.  Hainsey’s game is slipping.  He’s not shooting much anymore.  He has all of 14 points on the season.  If they can shelter him on a 3rd pairing, it’s maybe fine for them.  There’s some risk though because Hainsey is often just tough to figure out.

 

I’m thinking this is a positive development for Smith’s return.  Does it take PIT out of the running for his services?

Posted by The Meal from Longmont, CO on 02/23/17 at 10:38 AM ET

Guess that’s one less customer for Smith.

Posted by leftwing on 02/23/17 at 10:49 AM ET

There were things said in the last couple of days that PIT might want a second d-man with experience even at the deadline.  Some real frustration in PIT with their young d-men.  So who knows?  PIT has no problem mortgaging their future to go for it all.

Posted by Primis on 02/23/17 at 12:16 PM ET

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I live in raleigh. Hanisey is better than you think. He can and has filled a top 4 spot for a while. Plus he has a knack for scoring big goals

Posted by Iamhaljordan on 02/23/17 at 12:16 PM ET

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I’m thinking this is a positive development for Smith’s return

Kenny’s gonna give him extension.

Posted by duhduhduh on 02/23/17 at 12:22 PM ET

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I live in raleigh. Hanisey is better than you think. He can and has filled a top 4 spot for a while. Plus he has a knack for scoring big goals

Posted by Iamhaljordan on 02/23/17 at 11:16 AM ET

Jon Ericsson for DET had been a Top 4 for a long time as well.  Doesn’t mean he should be.  The other d-men in CAR are all kids, I think the next-oldest is 26 and the rest are all under 24 years old.  No offense, but Hainsey’s been playing there by default to not heap too much on the kids.  He played on top pairing because, whelp… someone had to.

If you go look at Hainsey’s HERO chart, hs 5v5 numbers are all 3rd pairing level, save for Shots Conceded, where he squeaks into a Top 4 role.

Carolina’s a bad team and there’s an argument to be made they’ve been bad in part because they’ve had Hainsey in their top pairing with that much TOI.  I’m surprised PIT would pay this much for him.

Posted by Primis on 02/23/17 at 12:34 PM ET

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Your opinion sir and you’re entitled to it. As a raleigh native who’s a huge red wings fan I think youre way off base with your errorson comparison.

If im wrong time will tell, but I think hanisey is going to be for pitas what odyua was for Chicago.

Posted by Iamhaljordan on 02/23/17 at 12:51 PM ET

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Not bad at all. Don’t forget this is a really shallow draft, so the Pens probably aren’t too worried about losing the pick.

Posted by NHLJeff from Pens fan in Denver on 02/23/17 at 01:00 PM ET

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“If im wrong time will tell, but I think hanisey is going to be for pitas what odyua was for Chicago.”—Posted by Iamhaljordan

What I’ve seen of Hainsey matches what you’ve said. I’ll never understand folks valuing corsi-stats for D  


—CAR doesn’t score many goals because of the LINES they play, it has nothing to do with their PAIRS. 

—PIT will score goals because of the LINES they play, it has nothing to do with their PAIRS.


PIT needs someone to play minutes on D. Lots of minutes. Hainsey can play minutes.

Posted by alwaysaurie on 02/23/17 at 02:34 PM ET

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I think the 2nd rounder was because of the 50% salary retention.  Otherwise, it would have been lower.

Either way, with the news of Daley undergoing surgery, Letang out today as well.  Maatta out with surgery.  Schultz out with a concussion.  Dumoulin just returning from a broken jaw.  The Penguins have 2 regular d-men in the lineup and needed help quickly.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/23/17 at 02:51 PM ET

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A second rounder is pretty ridiculous to me.  Makes me wonder how many fringe teams will decide to sell if they can get some return on guys like this.

He’s only got a cap hit of $2.8 so I can’t see how that would affect them giiving up a second.

Posted by TreKronor on 02/23/17 at 03:34 PM ET

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What I’ve seen of Hainsey matches what you’ve said. I’ll never understand folks valuing corsi-stats for D

—CAR doesn’t score many goals because of the LINES they play, it has nothing to do with their PAIRS.
—PIT will score goals because of the LINES they play, it has nothing to do with their PAIRS.

Posted by alwaysaurie on 02/23/17 at 01:34 PM ET

Possession stats like that are tracked by mainly shots/shot suppression.  Goals scored has nothing to do with it.

Hainsey’s possession stats are among the worst 2 or 3 among Carolina’s regular 6 or 7 d-men.  So it’s not just that you’re comparing him even to guys on other teams that are playing better.  Faulk, Slavin, and Pesce all have better CF% than him.  This despite Hainsey being on the ice for a lot of Offensive Zone Faceoffs by comparison, so the minutes he had really should have been more productive.  Faulk, Salvin, and Pesce having better possession numbers while playing tougher zone starts tells you a little something.

Remember, possession metrics are just one tool.  But if a guy on a bad team had a bad Plus/Minus (-16), bad possession numbers even amongst the peers on his team…. and is getting favorable zone starts even compared to others on his team, it’s not usually a good sign.  Especially for a guy that’s supposed to be bringing a veteran presence to a Cup contender.

As I said before, maybe PIT can shelter him somewhat, somehow.  But I don’t think that’s their current situation.

Posted by Primis on 02/23/17 at 04:15 PM ET

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Thanks for replying, Primis. Even though we disagree(obviously) it’s better to have the case presented as you did.

I do not value Corsi for D. D gets what their team gets. The D who get the heaviest responsibilities will have the worst Corsi, players who get “extra” defensive-zone FO’s will have the worse Corsi… it’s the same season after season and team after team except in extremely rare cases. (As-an-aside; I imagine you do not value TOI as-highly-as-I-do… I think this is the crux of our disagreeing views. Nonetheless I’ll have to cite the stats I value)

The fact that Girardi/McDonagh have lousy Corsi numbers season after season doesn’t change the fact that they’re a valuable PAIR. The reason they’re valuable is because they eat minutes. TOI, all by itself, is valuable. Good teams with good LINEs need someone to eat minutes and bad teams need it too.

“But if a guy on a bad team had a bad Plus/Minus (Hainsey = -16), bad possession numbers even amongst the peers on his team and is getting favorable zone starts even compared to others on his team, it’s not usually a good sign.

I agree with this, but…. 

“…. is getting favorable zone starts even compared to others on his team… “

Not this part. Hainsey is getting the heaviest defensive responsibilites of the D on CAR. When I look at the stats, I see heavier responsibilities.

Hainsey has similar TOI% to the other 3 top-D on CAR

Hainsey = 37.29-TOI%
Faulk = 37.24
Slavin = 36.26
Pesce = 35.67

  ~~ and these are their numbers as-a-PAIR:
* Faulk/Hainsey = 31.35% (6th-highest behind Suter/Spurgeon’s 34.40%)
* Pesce/Slavin = 30.66% (8th-highest)
 
This means that Hainsey is spending about 6% of his team’s TOI away from Faulk (and Faulk does the same away from Hainsey).

I feel safe in assuming that Hainsey’s extra shifts are heavy in defensive responibilities and Faulk’s extra shifts are heavy in offensive opportunities.  That’s what every team does, and what they’ve always done…. it’s what S.J does with Vlasic’s extra offensive shifts and Braun’s extra defensive shifts…. it’s what DET does with Green’s extra offensive shifts and DeKeyser’s extra defensive shifts… and the stats show that Hainsey see the defensive zone the most:

Hainsey = 30.63%
Slavin = 30.31
Pesce = 30.08
Faulk = 28.81

Faulk/Hainsey are a PAIR but their DZS% is different. One of them is getting heavier defensive responsibilities and Hainsey is the one.

PIT needs someone to eat minutes. Hainsey can do that.

Will they gel seamlessly? - I dunno.

Every trade is a risk.

 

Posted by alwaysaurie on 02/24/17 at 05:42 AM ET

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