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From John Kreiser of the National Hockey League,

“The 39-year-old future member of the Hall of Fame enters 2011-12 as the NHL’s all-time leader in wins and shutouts—but he’s also coming off the first losing season in his 17-year career. Brodeur’s save percentage dropped to .903, his worst since 1995, and he missed significant time with an injury for the second time in three years. He did look sharper in the second half but wants to prove he’s still an elite goaltender for a full season.”

 

John hit the nail on the head with this one. With Brodeur sitting at such an elite level compared to what seems to be a revolving door for young and unproven goaltenders as well as the veterans who can’t seem to find a permanent home in the NHL, he wants to prove that age is not a factor for him and he still has all the tools that made him who he is today. This season looks more than likely to be his last, but he wants to make sure he goes out with a bang. He will undoubtedly be in the Hall of Fame, which goes without saying.

The records he amassed speak volumes about his career. Though most of them are likely to be broken in the future, which is inevitable, he will always be remembered as one of the top goalies, if not the top goalie in the NHL ever. That statement may cause people to pull their hair out, but it’s not hard to look at the facts. The Stanley Cup’s, the Vezina Trophies, the shut-outs, the domination between the pipes, all these things lead to one stellar year after another for number 30. Over Patrick Roy, Roberto Luongo, Gerry Cheevers, Henrik Lundqvist, Mike Richter and Curtis Joseph there is one man who has surpassed them all throughout his years of professional hockey, and that man is Martin Brodeur.

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He has been poor in the playoffs the last few years.  He really needs to quit playing 70 games a year, last year at least was a step in the right direction for that and I give him credit voluntarily giving himself a week or two off a couple of times last season.

Posted by Devils In The Details on 08/12/11 at 12:52 PM ET

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Dave, sure Brodeur is a great goalie and will be a HOF’r, but I’m unsure how this is just about Brodeur? I mean making predictions about “his” play without addressing the team in front of him is a little short-sighted and inappropriate for a prediction of his future play. One of the biggest problems that contributed to Brodeur’s sub-par season was due to the fact that the Devils were 30th (last in the league!) in Goals per Game and 28th in the league in goals for and against ratio - meaning that they gave up virtually the same number of goals as they scored. The fact that the Devils were first in the league in shots against, suggests that if Brodeur was not classic Brodeur - stopping everything that came his way -  the Devils were likely to lose. Did the Devils make any moves to address these areas? if not, why would we expect Brodeur to improve all on his own - at the end of his career - if he isn’t getting any help from the guys in front of him?

Posted by Dr. No from saskatoon on 08/12/11 at 01:16 PM ET

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Did the Devils make any moves to address these areas?

Pete DeBoer will actually help a lot. Everyone rightly laughs at Florida, but under DeBoer, their players were doing everything they needed to win every night—they just ‘didn’t have the horses’ to pull it off. Jersey may not have the ‘horses’ that some other teams have (especially on D), but they sure as hell have more than Florida did for the last 3 years.

Posted by steviesteve on 08/12/11 at 02:34 PM ET

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Dr. No - The team in front of him will be better. I like to wake up and drink a tall glass of optimism in the morning. One of the first things Lou did when free agency rolled around was resign Andy Greene which leads me to believe that he sees something special in him. He has had fairly good seasons the past couple of years, though he was a little streaky at times. Tallinder and Volchenkov will also provide additional support. To be honest, the defense is not of all-star caliber, but you anyone who looks at the roster can see that. If Larsson proves that he is NHL ready this coming season he could also be an added weapon to the defense.

As for the offense, you can call the beginning of last season whatever you would like, I am just going to call it a major cold-streak which led to their ultimate demise. With a healthy Parise, Kovalchuk, Elias and Zajac I think the Devils will be scoring my goals and will not find themselves near the bottom of every offensive statistical category.

As for Brodeur himself, how do you argue against him? He has shown especially towards the end of the last season that he can still hang around with the big boys. If you eliminate his injuries I think he finished .500 or better for the year. If you solidify the defense with a solid player or two, then we wouldn’t even be having this discussion. Under DeBoer I think the Devils will be looking just fine this upcoming season, and Marty will continue to be Marty.

Thanks for reading everyone!

Posted by David Pavlak on 08/12/11 at 03:10 PM ET

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With all do respect Mr. Pavlak you have done what all other reporters have done and most experts and that is you have over looked some of Brodeurs stats. The most important one’s actually.

Martin Brodeur during the Stanley Cup years from 1995 to 2004 faced very few shots per game compared to the teams the Devils played. His team FAR more often then not outplayed and outshot the opponent. In fact, there were very few times the Devils were outplayed with that defense and defensive systems.

Martin brodeur won 15 Stanley Cup final games. Four against Detroit, four against Dallas, four against the Ducks, and three in a losing cause to Colorado. A stat you may not know is that Brodeur only faced an average of 19 shots per game in those Cup wins. Only 19! Here is another stat that is key. He lost nine games in those 4 Finals. The average shots in the losses, 28! So when his team gave up very few shots they won. When the Devils gave 28 on average they lost.

Another key stat that you may not know, the Devils have took the fewest penalties combined between 1995 to 2004 including five straight seasons with the fewest. That is a huge stat.

In 2000-20001 Brodeur was 42-17-11 with 9 shutouts. Outstanding numbers/stats. But his save percentage was only .906 and a 2.32 GAA. The Devils gave up the fewest shots per game that season which was 26.2 per game. Sean Burke that same season had a .922 save percentage and a 2.27 GAA. Better stats than Brodeur. But, he was barely above a .500% winning percentage at 25-22-13 with only 4 shutouts. The Coyotes gave up an average of 32.6 shots per game. Also, the Devils were short handed 55 less times than Phoenix!

Imagine if the the Devils and Coyotes switched goalies!

Posted by The Goalie Guru from Toronto on 08/12/11 at 07:40 PM ET

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Now as a Habs fan and a hockey fan Patrick Roy has always been my favorite goalie,
but theres always been a very close second and thats Martin Brodeur.

Lately you watch Brodeur you can tell that age has start to become a factor does that make him a bad goalie? absoultely not! but is it time to start to look around for a new starter? unfortuinitly yup. Because its been a long time since the Devils have had their strong defense and never really needed it cause Brodeur was always there when needed.
But age catchs up to everybody sooner or later. I mean he’s been injured two years in a row now and for a goalie thats not good. It makes you a little less flexible, a little slower, and a tad weaker. I thought for sure that 09-10 would be his last season but he came back then I heard he’s coming back this season again and again very surprised long story short Brodeurs not the goalie he used to be.

Let me paint you a picture bring in a prospect goalie with promise and after awhile(say 6 weeks) make Brodeur second string(as hard as it is to imagine). During practises have Brodeur work with the prospect and have him learn from one of the best goalies in the world. Now you have a goalie who not only had promise and skill to begin with but now has learned even more and has become an even better goalie to begin with in his rookie year alone!

Posted by Habsfan33 from Calgary on 08/13/11 at 03:41 PM ET

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Habsfan33 - Injuries have prevented Brodeur from his best performances out on the ice. This should ultimately rap up his legacy. I also appreciate the picture you painted, but it is a little bit more indepth then that. Even someone like young Sergei Bobrovsky from Philadelphia would be a possible solution to the Devils goalie problem. Bobrovsky has shown he can play, but with Ilya Bryzgalov in town, who knows how much ice he sees. Just a thought.

Hockey Guru - You bring up a very impressive and insightful comment. The only question I want to ask you would be if you would rather have Hedberg get in net and try to rejuvenate the Devils while Brodeur sits on the sideline, or do you think you give the goalie with the Cups,Vezinas, and records one more go around the block, regardless of stats or the surrounding team. Defensive adjustments have been made. No, they are not Niedermayer and Stevens, but it should do in the mean time.

Thanks for reading!

Posted by David Pavlak on 08/14/11 at 12:21 AM ET

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With all do respect Mr. Pavlak I guess you missed my point that Brodeur is the most overrated goaltender in NHL history! I provided you with a few samples but there are many, many more that prove Brodeur was not as good as people think.

I’ll save them for my book.

Cheers!

Posted by The Goalie Guru from Toronto on 08/14/11 at 10:07 AM ET

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We will just have to agree to disagree then. wink you say overrated, I say one of the best ever. Even if he faced 19 shots a game inthe Cup years, that’s still 19 saves he had to make. I have seen goalies let in more goals on less shots then that. Take care!

Posted by David Pavlak on 08/14/11 at 01:21 PM ET

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Goalie Guru- With all respect I have to say I disagree Martin brodeur was as good a goalie as there came back when he was in his prime.

With three Stanley Cups a multipule vezna winner, as well as the Jennings. A Calder trophy (which I would like to remind you are personal awards). As well as helping team Canada take home the gold and the silver twice. As well as being one of only two goalies to score a goal in regular season and play offfs. He was also a NHL All Star nine times.
Its true at one point the Devils Defense was a big help to win the Stanley cup and the same can be said for team Canada. Very few goalies can say they have this many accomplishments.

BUT…theres one thing about Goal that very few reconize and thats this when your a goalie you are the last line of defense and if a goal is scored your to blame, But if you make the save your a hero. Its one of the most pressurized positions in hockey (not taking any credit away from any other position, I play both Goal and Defense so I speak on expereince).
So to say that Brodeur is over rated and is just hype due to the media is by all means unjustified.
But thats just my opinion again no disrespect to anyone.

Posted by HABSFAN33 from Calgary on 08/14/11 at 01:22 PM ET

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Brodeur In three Junior seasons was an average goalie at best. His team never ended higher than middle of the pack in the standings. In three playoff seasons in Junior his team lost in the first round twice both in his last two seasons in Junior and he took his team to the second in his rookie season.

In 1992-93 while in the AHL he played 32 games and was 14-13-5 with a 4.03 goals against and a .884 save percentage. The AHL team again was middle of the pack and lost first round of the playoffs. By the way his goalie partner in the AHL that season was Corey Schwab and he went 18-16-5 with a 4.25 GAA and a .883 save percentage. No difference!

As you can see he couldn’t help his Junior team win and couldn’t make his AHL team a winner either. Never mind his stats were average at best.

So facing less talented players in Junior and the AHL how is it he wasn’t dominate? This tells me something. This tells me a lot! It tells me the Devils team (Stevens, Niedermayer, Daneyko, the Traps, the 19 shots, etc.) made him what he was and is today and not the other way around!

Posted by The Goalie Guru from Toronto on 08/16/11 at 09:06 AM ET

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GoalieGuru-I’m not taking anything from Stevens, Neidermyaer and daneyako they were some of the best defense there was, Hell I’m pretty big fan of Stevens myself.
As far as Brodeurs jr yrs well he was rookie all star in 1990 in the QMJHL and in 1992 he was second all star in the QMJHL and was drafted 20th frist round pick by the Devils so in that conclusion there that tells me that hes more then average at best.

As far as over rated goalies I would say maybe, Chris Osgood is a goalie good for awhile then the only time we saw him was in the playoffs besides that you never saw him.
As far as Sean Burke well he was ok but really I dont remember burke holding a cup at any time in his career. As well as Trevor Kidd I mean I think he raised a cup with the wings but they were unstopable at one point really need I say more .
Point is is that while maybe Brodeur never won a cup in the AHL or the QMJHL he has lifted the cup more then once. won multipule gold and silver medals as well as won personal awards and trophies as well. So that tells me this either theres a REALLY big scam going on here not with just the NHL but the hockey world OR Brodeur really is that good.
So as Mr. Pavlak said we’re gonna have to agree to disagree because it seems that you stand pretty firm in your beliefs with Brodeur as do I with my beliefs .
No disrespects

Posted by habsfan33 from Calgary on 08/16/11 at 03:31 PM ET

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As well there was one other thing I wanted to mentiion and thats Patrick Roy is known as the best goalie to touch the ice . He’s won multipule cups and trophies and medals but did you know he did not win the cup in the AHL. So if the best goalie to touch the ice hasnt won a cup in the AHL why would it be that much of a factor weather Brodeur did or not that makes him average at most or just amazing at his best?

Posted by Habsfan33 from Calgary on 08/16/11 at 03:59 PM ET

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Let us use Luongo as an example and I would say it’s fair to say Luongo is close to being as good as Brodeur.

Luongo has played five seasons in Florida on a crappy team with no stars on it and now has played five seasons in Vancouver, a great team with great players.

In Florida, Luongo in those five seasons had 108 wins and 154 losses for an average 22 wins and 31 losses per season. In Vancouver he has 193 wins and 101 losses for an average of 39 wins and 20 losses.

Again, 22 and 31 with Florida and 39 and 20 with Vancouver. Luongo averages close to WINNING DOUBLE the amount of games playing for a good team compared to a crappy team.

So now I ask you, is it fair to say if Brodeur played on teams that gave up a ton of shots on s crappy team he would have less wins than playing for the Devils where they have always allowed very few shots and scoring opportunities?

Lunogo couldn’t make Florida a winner. What makes you think Brodeur would have made the Islanders a winner the last fifteen years?

Also, If you give credit for Brodeur winning Cups then you have to blame him for losing. So, in the eleven playoff series he LOST (to Rhodes, Irbe, Esche, Emery, Boucher, Ward, et to name a few of these average goalies that beat him) Brodeur had 11 wins 44 losses with a .905 save percentage in those series. The others goalies combined were .935 in those same eleven series!

He was bad more times than good!

Posted by The Goalie Guru from Toronto on 08/19/11 at 10:06 PM ET

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Patrick Roy was very average in Junior in 84/85 and won the Stanley Cup a year later. During the regular season in Montreal before winning the Cup he wasn’t even the best goalie on the team. Who’s to say the other goalie wouldn’t have won the Cup?

After winning the cup in 1986 the next season he again wasn’t the best on his team. And, he was terrible in the playoffs. Terrible!

Happened again the third season which Roy was no better than his partner during the regular season! Terrible again in the playoffs. How?

The second time Roy won the Cup his partner that season was 17-5-1 with stats close to his. How? If Roy was so great.

Third Cup, his backup went 22-6-7. Great winning percentage.

Fourth cup, Aebischer had good stats that season and when Roy retired with one of his best statistical season after going 35-15-13 with a .920 and a 2.18, Aebischer went 32-19-9 with a .924 and a 2.09. How?

How did Aebischer replace Roy so easily? His stats were actually better than Roy as you can see.

Posted by The Goalie Guru from Toronto on 08/19/11 at 10:46 PM ET

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Patrick Roy had 4 cups with 2 diffrent teams first of all theres not alot of goalies that can do that. As far as for Aebischer I would imagine it has something to do with playing on the same team as Roy and the goalie coach. Roy has more accomplishments then any other goalie in the NHL today and most at that time. there was a reason why coaches never traded Roy because because he won games sure like everybody else he lost some but a good 70% of those games were won. He redefined the butterfly style.
Again I dont see us getting past this so Im gonna agree to disagree cause to tell you the truth we’re getting no where and neither of us will give.

Posted by Habsfan33 from Calgary on 08/20/11 at 12:36 AM ET

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Thanks for the debate, and no disrespect!

You seem to think that the goalies are the main reason that TEAMS win Stanley Cups when in fact the NEW information I have provided you clearly proves otherwise. You are choosing to ignore the NEW info I have provided you because you have been brainwashed by the win stat when clearly the team is responsible for wins not just the goalie.

The example of Luongo PROVES that a so called great goalie doesn’t (and Luongo couldn’t) make a team (Florida) a winner but in fact a great team (Vancouver) can make a goalie a winner! (Luongo’s backup was also a “winner” this season)

You can say all you want we will “agree to disagree” but in fact one of us is more correct than the other.

Cheers!

Posted by The Goalie Guru from Toronto on 08/20/11 at 06:37 AM ET

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what about Tim Thomas you gonna tell me that boston could have won the cup with Rask or someone else. The Goalie is a VITAL position when it comes to winning games ,  think about it break aways, wrap arounds some times the Defense is no where near where they should be . I think you dont give goalies enough credit Defense helps sure but their not there all there all the time and someones gotta make the save.
As far as your info well honestly I think that its a little hit and miss I mean Aebisher better then Roy? He’s good but you cant tell me he’s better then Roy . 
you are right on one thing though one of us is right

Posted by habsfan33 from Calgary on 08/20/11 at 02:58 PM ET

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well the debate was good and as you said no disrespect just difrence of opinion

Posted by Habsfan33 from Calgary on 08/20/11 at 03:02 PM ET

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Thomas was terrible this season in the shootout going only 1 win and 5 losses with a terrible save percentage of only .526 for 55th place amongst goalies. He could only stop 10 of 19 shots!

Goes to show you with no help from that great defense he was 55th place!

There were 14 goalies with a better penalty kill save percentage than him. Again when his team gave him less help he was average!

I have researched this position maybe more than anyone in the world the last five years.

I know it very well!

Posted by The Goalie Guru from Toronto on 08/21/11 at 03:26 PM ET

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