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Andrew MacDonald Traded To Philadelphia

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It is with a little bit of relief that I read this.

Posted by Primis on 03/04/14 at 05:07 PM ET

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Just wondering if the Wings will ever get a defensive defenseman… Probably wait and kick the tired come free agency.

Posted by Pasha1277 on 03/04/14 at 05:10 PM ET

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Just wondering if the Wings will ever get a defensive defenseman… Probably wait and kick the tired come free agency.

Posted by Pasha1277 on 03/04/14 at 04:10 PM ET

They may just nab Joe Corvo or Corey Potter off waivers and call it day.  Given that they’d have to give up absolutely nothing to do so, I don’t know if I’d blame them…

Posted by Primis on 03/04/14 at 05:14 PM ET

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If that was too rich for Holland’s blood, than we can forget about Ehrhoff.  At least we should get Kindl and Weiss back soon.  That’ll be just like getting players at the deadline.

Posted by Hootinani on 03/04/14 at 05:50 PM ET

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Whew, I’m sure this summers 2nd or 3rd rounder by the Wings will be the next Lidstrom so not making this trade is a relief oh oh

Holland will continue to wait for discards this summer to eventually sign.

Posted by Slumpy from Detroit on 03/04/14 at 06:05 PM ET

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They may just nab Joe Corvo or Corey Potter off waivers and call it day

Why? If they’re looking for a slightly below-average NHL defenseman then they can insert Kindl into the lineup.

If that was too rich for Holland’s blood, than we can forget about Ehrhoff.

Whew, I’m sure this summers 2nd or 3rd rounder by the Wings will be the next Lidstrom so not making this trade is a relief

First of all Ehrhoff is a much better player than MacDonald. Second of all MacDonald is a pending UFA and will be asking for much more than he’s worth. Third Ehrhoff already has a long term contract in place, and coupled with the fact that he’s better than MacDonald would obviously command a bigger return. It’s likely that MacDonald will end up signing for more per year than what Ehrhoff already makes, and Philly may not even be able to retain him.

If MacDonald was the guy everyone was banking on to save the season for Detroit then you’re cracked. This was just another panicked and ill-conceived trade by the Flyers.

Posted by godblender on 03/04/14 at 06:47 PM ET

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They may just nab Joe Corvo or Corey Potter off waivers and call it day.

So you figure Holland wants to throw away money for nothing, without even upgrading the defense?

What would be the point of that?

Posted by Garth on 03/04/14 at 07:10 PM ET

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If MacDonald was the guy everyone was banking on to save the season for Detroit then you’re cracked.

For a third and a second he could be exactly the perfect rental.  Good defender, can move the puck well and can eat minutes, he’s a definite upgrade over the likes of Kindl/Smith/Lashoff and maybe even Quincey and he would immediately be the Wings’ second highest scoring defenseman, but a good margin.  If he works out phenomenally well you can re-sign him, if he doesn’t or he wants too much you sign a free agent and all you’ve lost are a third rounder in a shallow draft and a second rounder a year from now.  Big deal.

Who knows though, maybe Kenny is working on something better.

Posted by Garth on 03/04/14 at 07:16 PM ET

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For a third and a second he could be exactly the perfect rental.  Good defender, can move the puck well and can eat minutes, he’s a definite upgrade over the likes of Kindl/Smith/Lashoff and maybe even Quincey and he would immediately be the Wings’ second highest scoring defenseman, but a good margin.  If he works out phenomenally well you can re-sign him, if he doesn’t or he wants too much you sign a free agent and all you’ve lost are a third rounder in a shallow draft and a second rounder a year from now.  Big deal.

Who knows though, maybe Kenny is working on something better.

Posted by Garth on 03/04/14 at 06:16 PM ET

MacDonald is not that good and WIIM in an article pretty much used possession numbers to tear his game down.  For instance, one of the reasons he blocks so many shots is that he turns the puck over and leaves himself with no other choice.  Wings were wise to pass.

So there’s not actually a ton there backing your claim that he would be an improvement.  He would be a pretty big gamble.  Wings don’t need gambles on the blueline.  They have 3 or 4 already.

Posted by Primis on 03/04/14 at 07:38 PM ET

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why on earth would a playoff bubble team invest draft picks in rentals??? that makes no sense for any team any year. rentals are for teams “going for it”. draft picks are for teams “rebuilding”. which phase do you think the Wings are in exactly?

rental - ANY rental would be an utter waste of assets. no matter how good MacDonald plays is he really going to make all that big of a difference to our season? most definitely not. if there are any “hockey trades” out there, they should be considered, but I don’t think it’s wise for the Wings to be buyers in an ultra inflated deadline atmosphere. I think experience for the kids is probably more valuable than any middling new guy

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 03/04/14 at 07:40 PM ET

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Who knows though, maybe Kenny is working on something better.

Posted by Garth on 03/04/14 at 06:16 PM ET

Getting a rental like MacDonald doesn’t help the Wings get the Cup, but it would give them a better shot to make the playoffs this year which brings in at least a little playoff revenue—even if they don’t get out of the first round.

On the other hand, scope out who the Wings have drafted with their 2nd & 3rd round picks in the last five years – http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00005492.html

There are some misses in there ... but there are also some future building blocks. Tough to miss a shot (or two if both picks panned out) at the next Tatar, Jurco, Jarnkrok, Sproul, Ouellet ... so you can have MacDonald for a few months. No?

Posted by SK77 on 03/04/14 at 07:41 PM ET

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200k for corvo for 2 months is not exactly throwing away money. at worst he’s 8th d. at best he’s five and helps your power play with a right handed shot. if there’s nothing better out there via trade, he’s worth a roster spot for free. wouldn’t surprise me if Boston grabs him

Posted by jkm2011 on 03/04/14 at 07:46 PM ET

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Brad Stuart was a rental at one time. seems like some people think that rentals cannot be signed long term. good move for flyers

Posted by jkm2011 on 03/04/14 at 07:49 PM ET

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Seems like some people think that the 2013-14 Red Wings are the 2007-08 Stanley Cup-winning team.  Good pass by Holland.

Posted by Mistercristo from Cameron Frye's garage, circa 1987 on 03/04/14 at 08:27 PM ET

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Posted by jkm2011 on 03/04/14 at 06:46 PM ET

What good does getting ANOTHER 5+ defenseman?  Do you also think they should look at acquiring 12-14th forward too?

Posted by Garth on 03/04/14 at 08:56 PM ET

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Posted by Primis on 03/04/14 at 06:38 PM ET

I just read that article and fair enough.  He may actually not be someone who would help them.

why on earth would a playoff bubble team invest draft picks in rentals???

Why on earth would any team not want to test drive an impending free agent for the measly price of a non-first rounder or two?

Just because a guy is on an expiring contract doesn’t mean he can’t possibly be re-signed.

With every worthwhile UFA seemingly looking for a seven year deal, doesn’t it make sense to want to try someone out?  And would a could non-first rounders, in theory, be a fair price to pay if you end up with someone you like on a 5+ year deal?

I understand the attraction of a hockey deal, but what hypothetical would be better: giving up a pick or two for a rental and when he doesn’t work out he just walks with no harm done or trading picks, a prospect or two and a roster player for someone who doesn’t work out but the team is on the hook for seven more years?

Posted by Garth on 03/04/14 at 09:11 PM ET

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I didn’t say I wanted Corvo. that’s what Kenny Holland said he was looking for ... a depth d-man. and if that’s what he wants, it’s better to get him for free than giving up an asset for a player that is unlikely to work out anyway. so in that sense, Kenny Holland’s world, 200k corvo is a good move.

Posted by jkm2011 on 03/04/14 at 09:37 PM ET

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point was not about winning the Cup this year. point was rentals can turn into something more. 2 years ago teams were trading the rights to players in june so the acquirer could negotiate with them before free agency. you know like holland should have done with Fil last year.

Posted by jkm2011 on 03/04/14 at 09:45 PM ET

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