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All Systems Go For Radulov

from Pierre LeBrun of ESPN,

NHL Deputy Commissioner Billy Daly and Nashville Predators GM David Poile were in discussion over lunch Monday after the GMs meetings broke up.

Neither were available for comment, but my bet is they were once again discussing the possible arrival of Alexander Radulov from Russia.

Poile and Daly were in constant contact over the past week because the league had to rule on Radulov’s possible re-entry to the NHL. A source told ESPN.com that the league decided Radulov would not require NHL waivers if he decided to return and he would be eligible for both the regular season and playoffs.

Talk about a bonus for Nashville if that happens. And talk about some possibly angry NHL team rivals.

The league also needed the NHLPA to sign off on it and the union did, a source told ESPN.com.

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HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

what a crock of shit.

Thought if he played any games in any other league this season he’d have to clear waivers?!

Wasn’t that the point of making the rule, so you couldn’t stash players under contract in other leagues and then bring them back for the playoffs?

*#$%@&’ Trashville.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 03/12/12 at 11:19 PM ET

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In my opinion, two things to watch here.

Radulov may want a new contract before setting his skates on the ice.  Somewhere in the $7M range will be his asking price.

Also, he has knee issues and could come back without a contract and go down with a knee problem after playing a couple of games.

He would then have UFA status making himself eligible to the whole league.

As for allowing him back, if his salary counted against the Preds cap, I would have no problem.

But it hasn’t and therefore can’t understand the NHL allowing him to come back without going through waivers or making him eligible only next season.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/12/12 at 11:27 PM ET

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^ You have to remember that he wasn’t “stashed” - he hopped ship mid-contract, and he essentially “owes” Nashville two years’ worth of hockey.  From a business perspective, Nashville is simply regaining an asset that was unfairly lost in bad faith. 

the situation appears terribly unfair - Radulov gets to come back to play in the NHL playoffs, years after rejecting the league, and Nashville gets a huge bonus going forward. 

In reality, though, it’s probably the best way to resolve the contract situation.  I just don’t know why the Predators would really want him back after all that.

Posted by mmuskrat on 03/12/12 at 11:30 PM ET

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good point about the cap hit, Paul,  hadn’t thought of that.

Posted by mmuskrat on 03/12/12 at 11:32 PM ET

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Radulov should be suspended for walking away from his contract.

I hope that the NHLPA has the guts to deny permission here.

Don’t forget that when he walks back into a contract he left in bad faith to earn a bigger contract, the money he’s getting is coming out of the entire players’ share and the minutes he’s playing come directly out of another NHLPA member’s hard-earned ice time.

... another NHLPA member who didn’t walk away from his contact in bad faith. Another NHLPA member who worked hard for the position he’s going to be losing to this primadonna.

I would lose a lot of faith in the players if they signed off on this behavior.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/12/12 at 11:36 PM ET

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Yay…another crap union move…shocker. Destroying our country AND the sport I love…

Posted by The Hurricane on 03/12/12 at 11:41 PM ET

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I hope that the NHLPA has the guts to deny permission here.

Supposedly they already approved it.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 03/12/12 at 11:42 PM ET

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via Elliotte Friedman’s 30 Thoughts,

A few of you asked why Radulov would be eligible for the playoffs. Checked with a couple of CBA experts and was told that anyone on a team’s reserve list is good to go. He is on Nashville’s.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 03/12/12 at 11:54 PM ET

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Supposedly they already approved it.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 03/12/12 at 09:42 PM ET

I’m hearing the same thing, I just hope it’s not true.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/13/12 at 12:12 AM ET

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Great.  Give him Rinne money and let Suter walk.

Glad to know any team can stash a massive cap hit in foreign leagues, miss RFA qualifying offers by days, and now bring in any contracted player from another league in time for a playoff run, all without consequence.

Posted by drimo from Cincinnati, OH on 03/13/12 at 12:14 AM ET

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So, what’s to keep teams from signing foreign league players to small contracts in the summer, letting them play in their foreign leagues until their teams are eliminated, and then bringing them in at the end of the year like this?  Seems like this could open a whole can of worms.  The players wouldn’t mind the small contracts since they also get paid in their other league, and thus the NHL teams could high really good players for small cap hits.  Talk about salary cap circumvention.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 03/13/12 at 12:26 AM ET

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Hopfully he will be poison in the clubhouse ruining any chemistry that the team has going now. How can you leave your teammates in the ditch to go to the KHL and then expect to be welcomed back in loving arms like a long lost old flame?
BAH this is NHL shennagans once again. Next thing you know Chicago will try the same with the Huet with the debacle in net they have now. What is there to stop them ?

Posted by cigar_nurse from Greenville South Cakalakee on 03/13/12 at 12:26 AM ET

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the union has already allowed it, probably because they would love to burn a year off for one of their players.  I understand why they let radulov back, but I’m still not really happy about it. A player should not be allowed to join the team after the trade deadline and still qualify to play for the playoffs.  There is like 13 games left in the season, I just don’t know why the NHL is letting them do this? I heard there is an outclause that if a player does not make any contract talks with a team for 3 years, then they become a ufa? is there any basis to this? i remember hearing someone mention this.

Posted by Luongo-is-my-hero on 03/13/12 at 12:30 AM ET

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Hmmm…let me think about this

1. Ongoing pissing match between the NHL/Bettmann and the KHL.  Now the NHL has the chance to “stick it to” the KHL regarding one of their big stars
2. A chance for the NHL to endear itself to a non-traditional market
3. A opportunity to give a team in a non-traditional hockey market (with a low payroll) a big boost/buzz going into the playoffs (regardless of what you think of Radulov’s skills, this is huge news in Nashville).  Bettmann will do ANYTHING to get Nashville deep into the playoffs to increase that fanbase.

It’s all about the dollar signs for Bettman, and his little “rivalry” with the KHL.  OF COURSE he is on board for this

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 03/13/12 at 12:47 AM ET

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Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 03/12/12 at 10:26 PM ET


VERY valid point.  Imagine if the Red Wings had wanted to bring Hudler back right before the playoffs in 2010?  There’d have been outrage.  “Cap circumvention!” they’d say.  3M dollar player off the books all year, then come back with a pro-rated contract and cap hit once his “other” season is done.

This is disgusting.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 03/13/12 at 01:43 AM ET

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NHL Deputy Commissioner Billy Daly and Nashville Predators GM David Poile were in discussion over lunch Monday after the GMs meetings broke up.

Where’s Donald Fehr?

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 03/13/12 at 01:53 AM ET

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This is totally a unique situation.  And there’s a lot of herp derp in these comments.

Glad to know any team can stash a massive cap hit in foreign leagues, miss RFA qualifying offers by days, and now bring in any contracted player from another league in time for a playoff run, all without consequence.

Yeah, the Preds stored Radulov in the KHL for 3+ seasons just to avoid his whopping 980K ELC salary.  That’s BS and you know it. 

Miss RFA offers by days? Show me one article that says the Preds did this.  There was some RFA confusion but it wasn’t disclosed to the time frame (or even what the issue was!) and it was likely seconds or minutes if anything to do with being late.

The massive cap hit? For Rads? Who? Erat?  The Preds have never been over halfway to the cap. 

JJ doesn’t want to believe reports that the NHLPA and NHL agreed on letting Rads back. Why would the Preds take him back? Because it’s on record that David Poile has been in contact with him on and off over the last few years, Suter and Weber are friends with Radulov, and he’s possibly the best player not playing the NHL right now.  No reason not try to make the team better.

There’s just a bunch of jealous people here.  If you want a chance at Radulov, wait until July 1 and offer sheet for him. Preds will get no compensation if he’s offer sheeted.

Posted by Donborvio from Nashville on 03/13/12 at 03:52 AM ET

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Don, I believe the comment about offer sheets was made in response to the offer sheets Dale Tallon sent late, the league still counted them.

As far as the preds never being over halfway to the cap.. I’m pretty sure the floor is over halfway to the cap.  Just sayin’

Bottom line, if this were Zetterberg in this situation instead of radulov, and he was “the bext player not in the NHL”, you’d be peaved if 10 games before the end of the season you get to add a top line F for nothing.  No waivers, no cap hit through the year.

Point was made earlier and it was great.  What’s to stop teams from signing other leagues top players to BS little contracts and bring them over when they’re season is done, just in time for the playoffs in the NHL?  That’s the reason the rule was put in place to begin with. 

I don’t care if he comes back, just do it at the beginning of next season and grind it out like everyone else.  Don’t let him back to play 10 games and call it a year and let him go UFA.

You can keep him btw… I’ll take datsyuk anyday

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 03/13/12 at 05:05 AM ET

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Total BS.

There are rules in place to stop this I thought.  EDM used to do this with euros, calling them over for the playoffs only basically, and the league grew tired of it.  I don’t get why this is somehow different and permissible.

NAS totally has a right to bring Radulov over.  Just not now.

Also, if the NHL has any sense whatsoever they’d tack an extra year onto Radulov’s contract since he wouldn’t be fulfilling it,

Terrible, terrible precedent they’re setting.  Like HockeytownOverhaul says, this invites GM’s to now attempt to stash players in Europe, plain and simple.  Cap circumvention here we come even more!!!!

Posted by Primis on 03/13/12 at 09:26 AM ET

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Posted by Donborvio from Nashville on 03/13/12 at 01:52 AM ET

Yeah yeah, it’s just that we’re all totes jelly.

And boiling it down to overly simplistic lies, I’m just going to say that anybody that’s in favor of this is a no-integrity cheater.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/13/12 at 10:03 AM ET

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Posted by Donborvio from Nashville on 03/13/12 at 01:52 AM ET

I never implied the Preds missed RFA offers or stashed salary in other leagues because of a contract mistake they made.  Other teams have done both of these.  There are rules in place that teams all have to follow, yet exceptions seem to be made at opportune times.  It’s all about requiring everyone else to follow the same set of rules.

Posted by drimo from Cincinnati, OH on 03/13/12 at 11:01 AM ET

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They’re adding a player to their roster after the trade deadline. This guy was not on their callup list. He played in another league. He should be subject to waivers or ineligible for the postseason. It’s a shame the NHL is doing this. It’s a shame the PA is agreeing to it. Let us not blame the union though - this was not their doing. They assented to a deal already made (even though they should not have).

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 03/13/12 at 11:21 AM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Let us not blame the union though - this was not their doing. They assented to a deal already made (even though they should not have).

They also gave their consent, they’re also culpable here.

There are no good guys in this situation.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/13/12 at 11:47 AM ET

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Y’all are just mad because the Predators are already a very good team. Bringing back Radulov will possibly make them the very best team. You’re scared. That’s the only reason why you’re upset. He was drafted by the Predators, had a contract, defected while remaining a Predator. He is still a Predator. They’re not adding a player. It’s no different than calling a player up from the AHL. Sorry you feel pain, but 29 teams every year feel it at some point or another. It’s just that this time the 29 teams are all feeling it at the same time, three months before the Preds win the cup. If you don’t think the Preds have a shot at the cup, then this isn’t an issue for you. Get over it.

Posted by Terry from South Dakota on 03/13/12 at 01:56 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

They’re not adding a player. It’s no different than calling a player up from the AHL

Except calling a player up from the AHL would require that he clear waivers, you idiot.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/13/12 at 02:59 PM ET

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It’s an issue because it is a circumvention of the CBA which unfairly favors a team. I don’t care if it is CBJ getting a player at this point, that isn’t the issue. It’s an issue of fairness in a very inconsistent league that seems to make all decisions in an ad hoc manner.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 03/13/12 at 03:11 PM ET

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If he returns, what the Predators have done with Radulov is entirely fair and entirely in the spirit of the CBA. This isn’t some Ruotsalainen Rule nonsense where they’re stashing Radulov overseas to keep him fresh or, in this day and age, avoid the salary cap penalty. First, because the Predators were aggressively attempting to get him back to the NHL rather than have him stay in Russia; second because it’s not as if that $918,578 cap hit was going to cripple their finances or handcuff their player transactions.”

Puck Daddy

Posted by NathanBC on 03/13/12 at 03:13 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

Holy shit, Greg Wyshynski is wrong about something again.

I’ll start the alpha protocol. You get to the bunker and I’ll gather supplies.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/13/12 at 03:28 PM ET

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I look at it this way, it’s legal but think it’s crap.  Good for the Preds for making their team stronger.  To me it looks like Radulov sees that the Preds have a good chance at the cup and he will knock off that year and fulfill the contract with a handful of games.  If a player left my team in that situation and came back like this, I wouldn’t like it.  If he came back before the deadline I would be ok with it, but after I think is wrong.

Posted by hiero4life on 03/13/12 at 04:15 PM ET

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Geez Red Wings fans are awfully whiny.  Like a spoiled kid who always wants more. Anyway, the Preds aren’t setting this precedent - it’s happened before:

“He’s a player under contract,” Daly said. “He has contractual obligations to Nashville and it would be unfair, I think, to the club who has the benefit and right to his contractual obligations not to be able to bring him back.”

Poile obviously shares that viewpoint.

“He’s just a suspended player,” Poile said. “We never recognized that contract. We have the contract with the player.”

Daly said the League had to get the approval from the National Hockey League Players’ Association to allow Radulov to return without having to go through the waiver process because Rule 13.23 in the Collective Bargaining Agreement technically would require Radulov to clear waivers in order to play in the NHL this season.

Daly added that the League and PA have agreed to waive Rule 13.23 “six or seven times,” but the only player that has actually returned to the NHL as a result was Alexei Semenov.

“On its face it would require the application of waivers, but we have worked with the Players’ Association in the past to create a waiver of the application of 13.23 in these types of situations,” Daly said. “It’s been black and white to us. We have consistently taken that position with any player that has gone AWOL on his obligations.”

So there you go, Semenov was a similar situation - and it’s happened many times before.  JJ, just because you disagree with Greg W. (or anyone for that matter) doesn’t make him wrong.

Posted by Donborvio from Nashville on 03/13/12 at 04:53 PM ET

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Holy fuch.  Really.

They waived that rule “six or seven times” in the past?  No wonder this shitty league has zero credibility.  If they can’t enforce the rules they made themselves in agreement with the NHLPA, the CBA is a fuching joke.  They just might as well go back to the non-cap days.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 03/13/12 at 05:04 PM ET

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JJ, just because you disagree with Greg W. (or anyone for that matter) doesn’t make him wrong.

You are obviously new to the internet.

And I’m sorry, but do you have specifics for these “six or seven times”?  All I can find on Semenov was that he agreed in principle to sign with the Rangers and then bolted to the KHL. He was later allowed to return to the NHL on a tryout.

Unless we’re talking about him bailing on the Rochester Americans and being allowed to return the following summer?

Show me where a player has ever been allowed to walk back into his contract with a month to go in the regular season.

They are absolutely setting a new precedent and it is a bad one. The only reason to be in favor of this being allowed is that you are a Predators fan and purposely careless about what an awful thing it is to do to grant Alexander Radulov the favor of full NHL reinstatement at this point in the season.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/13/12 at 05:17 PM ET

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just because you disagree with Greg W. (or anyone for that matter) doesn’t make him wrong.

Posted by Donborvio from Nashville on 03/13/12 at 02:53 PM ET

If he returns, what the Predators have done with Radulov is entirely fair and entirely in the spirit of the CBA. This isn’t some Ruotsalainen Rule nonsense where they’re stashing Radulov overseas to keep him fresh

Actually, Wysh is wrong.  Blatantly wrong on 3 points:
1 - It is not fair (to other teams who are not allowed to change rosters last minute).
2 - It is not within the spirit of the CBA (allowing a player to “fulfill” his last contract year with ~10 games).
3 - He was stashed in a powderpuff league so he could stay fresh for the playoffs.  (Whether or not this was intentional that is the result). 

Just because you agree with Wysh does not make him right.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 03/13/12 at 05:24 PM ET

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JJ - the article is on NHL.com:  http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=622030
And no, I wouldn’t be that pissed if it was the Red Wings getting a player back either.  Why?  Because he left with no compensation. 

And my response:
1 - It is not fair (that Radulov left with no compensation and the right of the league in 2008 said “Ha! Too bad!”)
2 - It is within the spirit of the CBA (allowing a team to finally get their player back at a good time for both the player and the team - giving the team just compensation).
3 - He was stashed in a second or third best league in the world so he could play for more money and be the center of attention.  (For 4 years with a suspended ELC salary that wouldn’t hurt an AHL team much). 

Any other team if this was their situation;  I’d be fine with it. The team was screwed by him leaving, and now that time has passed, Poile and the team rather use this weapon than suspend him - because that doesn’t help them either.

Also -  Radulov does what he wants, and he still might not come back at all.

Posted by Donborvio on 03/13/12 at 05:39 PM ET

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JJ - the article is on NHL.com:  http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=622030

Great.  That still doesn’t tell me anything other than Bill Daly promises me that the thing I’m not really mad about has been done before in ways that are not comparable to this one.  Hooray!  Chalk one up for the good guys who can blindly trust everything Bill Daly spouts off the top of his head!

1 - It is not fair (that Radulov left with no compensation and the right of the league in 2008 said “Ha! Too bad!”)

I’d have rather seen the Predators get a compensatory pick and Radulov suspended for life. Sadly, I think the Predators not getting that pick and Radulov being suspended for the rest of this year so he doesn’t get a full year’s worth of credit for ten games played is a better compromise than this shit.

2 - It is within the spirit of the CBA (allowing a team to finally get their player back at a good time for both the player and the team - giving the team just compensation).

And giving every player in the league indication that they don’t have to honor their contracts if they don’t want to.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/13/12 at 06:01 PM ET

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Daly’s a fuching idiot.

Without fully thinking this out, this has just set a very unsettling precedent leading to every team allowing key players to sign top-flight players to a one or two year contract, skip 65% of the NHL schedule by playing in a virtually no-contact league outside of the NHL’s providence (i.e. ECHL, EIHL, AHL, etc.), and then re-join their contractually obligated teams AFTER the trade deadline to help their teams in the playoffs.

Wow.  Just wow.

Posted by SYF from Zata's Epic Viking Beard on 03/13/12 at 06:02 PM ET

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I’d have rather seen the Predators get a compensatory pick and Radulov suspended for life. Sadly, I think the Predators not getting that pick and Radulov being suspended for the rest of this year so he doesn’t get a full year’s worth of credit for ten games played is a better compromise than this shit.

The league should’ve did that in 2008 when he left. But screwing over the Preds again now isn’t just or fair.

Posted by Donborvio on 03/13/12 at 06:10 PM ET

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It’s not screwing over the Preds; it’s forcing Radulov to honor the contract he abandoned.  Nashville obviously isn’t in a bad position right now.

An alternate solution would be to allow him to play the regular season, be ineligible for the playoffs (since that’s precisely what the spirit of the rule which would disqualify him is for), and then toll his contract so he’s a Predator for the entirety of next year at his sub-$1M cap hit. I’m not entirely happy about letting him play in the regular season either, but him being eligible to get his name on the Stanley Cup this season is an absolute non-starter for me. There is positively no way that this is acceptable for me.

This would solve the two biggest problems I have with this entire situation without screwing over the Predators.

Make no mistake, Radulov is the bad guy here, not Poile. If he wants a shot at the cup and a shot at his financial freedom, then he should have to go through the same hard work as everybody else in the league. I blame the Predators the least out of everybody in this situation, but it shouldn’t even be put on their shoulders. The league should shut it down for the horrible precedent and the NHLPA should shut it down for the damage his return does to both the money and ice time his NHLPA brethren worked hard to earn.

Maybe we’ll all get lucky and the KHL will shut it down by not granting him permission.  Remember, the only reason he was able to keep his IIHF card in the last debacle was because of a technicality with the transfer agreement.  There absolutely is one in place right now.  Sadly, I think discrediting the KHL or making them the bad guys is the entire reason behind the NHL granting their blessing on this situation and that pisses me off.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 03/13/12 at 06:23 PM ET

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Fine, that argument is more acceptable.  One wrinkle though (and you bashed Terry on yesterday wrongly on), is that Radulov’s contract is an ELC.  Two-way.  If he was in the AHL: No waivers would have been needed to call him up.

Posted by Donborvio on 03/13/12 at 08:06 PM ET

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