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“Anybody that has Matt Cooke on his payroll and doesn’t say anything (about) the action he does, is a hypocrite.”

-Don Cherry on Mario Lemieux.  Cherry made the remarks on his Grapeline segment which is heard on Fan590.  No direct link and right now it is the 3rd story on the homepage.

added 1:46pm, A twitter reader said the audio is available via itunes at no cost.  It is listed under Fan590.

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Anybody that wears a fluorescent pink suit jacket and calls an enthusiastic goal celebration ‘showboating’ is a hypocrite.

Posted by sisu on 02/15/11 at 04:49 PM ET

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usually don’t agree with, well pretty much anything Don says any more, but he is right on this one.  The actions of the lslanders were barbaric and deserving of punishment, but so are a number of actions by Mr. Cooke that his own owner failed to ever comment on.  I guess Mario just wants to have his cake and eat it too.

Posted by Colwen19 on 02/15/11 at 04:56 PM ET

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Don Cherry may be a xenophobic nutjob, but one thing he has always been consistent about is hits from behind and his campaign to stamp it out of the game. There is no double talk on his part in this instance and Cooke has been known to occasionally hit from behind. Cherry was never a big fan of Mario’s either so this should come as no surprise.

Posted by hockey1919 from mid-atlantic on 02/15/11 at 05:06 PM ET

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I am 100% sure that Don does not care about this; however, he has lost me as a viewer of his eccentric hockey show.

Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/15/11 at 05:08 PM ET

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While I agree with Cherry’s comments, I think he’s just as big of a hypocrite as Lemieux. A couple weeks he was criticizing Ference for saying his teammate made a bad hit. Now he’s criticizing Lemieux for not saying anything about Cooke. You can’t have it both ways. It’s either wrong to speak out against someone else in your team or it’s not.

Posted by Susan on 02/15/11 at 05:34 PM ET

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Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/15/11 at 02:08 PM ET

Anyone doesn’t stop being a fan of Lemieux because of his BS but stops watching Don Cherry because he calls Lemieux out for his BS is a hypocrite.

Posted by Garth on 02/15/11 at 05:35 PM ET

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Posted by gretzky_to_lemieux on 02/15/11 at 02:08 PM ET

And that’s one to grow on.

In case you’ve been living under a rock (it sounds like you have if you have been mindlessly watching his show on a regular basis over the past 10 years when its quality has been dead on arrival), let me point out the obvious to you:

Don Cherry hates Matt Cooke after what he did to Marc Savard last season.  Don Cherry is taking another opportunity to point out how much he hates him with his latest comment.  If you failed to stop watching his show the first time he went off on this topic last spring, do you really think you are brave enough to do it this time?

To help you with your effort allow me to suggest rearranging your fridge or your parents’ fridge between the first and second period rather than watch his segment.  You and yours will see a small uptick in your life quality.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 02/15/11 at 05:39 PM ET

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While I agree with Cherry’s comments, I think he’s just as big of a hypocrite as Lemieux. A couple weeks he was criticizing Ference for saying his teammate made a bad hit. Now he’s criticizing Lemieux for not saying anything about Cooke. You can’t have it both ways. It’s either wrong to speak out against someone else in your team or it’s not.

Posted by Susan on 02/15/11 at 02:34 PM ET

Very well said.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/15/11 at 05:49 PM ET

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It’s either wrong to speak out against someone else in your team or it’s not.

Distinction here is between the players in the room keeping things of this nature in the room, and members of the front office, in the case of Lemieux.

Posted by mc keeper on 02/15/11 at 06:06 PM ET

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Anybody that wears a fluorescent pink suit jacket and calls an enthusiastic goal celebration ‘showboating’ is a hypocrite.

Posted by sisu on 02/15/11 at 01:49 PM ET

And we’re done in one, folks!

Posted by Incognetis from Delaware... Hi... I'm in... Delaware on 02/15/11 at 06:23 PM ET

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Now he’s criticizing Lemieux for not saying anything about Cooke.

But that’s not what he’s criticizing Lemieux for.  He’s criticizing Lemieux for talking out about one team’s dirty play while ignoring his own.

If Lemieux had said nothing he wouldn’t be a hypocrite.  That’s why Cherry calls him a phony.  It’s excatly the same thing as a lot of people are saying.

Cherry doesn’t want Ference or Lemieux saying ANYTHING in public, but he’s saying if Lemieux IS going to say anything then he shouldn’t be hypocritical.

Posted by Garth on 02/15/11 at 06:30 PM ET

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While I agree with Cherry’s comments, I think he’s just as big of a hypocrite as Lemieux. A couple weeks he was criticizing Ference for saying his teammate made a bad hit. Now he’s criticizing Lemieux for not saying anything about Cooke. You can’t have it both ways. It’s either wrong to speak out against someone else in your team or it’s not.

Posted by Susan on 02/15/11 at 02:34 PM ET

If that’s true…man.

I said it before, there’s no way an owner or GM is going to call out one of his own players publicly.  If they had something to say to Cooke - which they did - they’d say it to him privately - which they did.

Posted by Garth on 02/15/11 at 03:30 PM ET

Did you see the Gilles hit?  The NHL had a chance to set an example as to how headshots were going to be punished league-wide, but instead only suspended him for 9 games.  This, more than anything else, is what I believe Lemieux was getting at with his comments.

And really, if something like this happened and the Wing were involved, would you agree with everyone saying, “Yeah…but the Wings employ Bertuzzi so they deserved it/shouldn’t say anything about it.”  It’s stupid.

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Meriden, CT on 02/15/11 at 08:32 PM ET

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And really, if something like this happened and the Wing were involved, would you agree with everyone saying, “Yeah…but the Wings employ Bertuzzi so they deserved it/shouldn’t say anything about it.” It’s stupid.

Posted by Flashtastick56 from Milford, CT on 02/15/11 at 05:32 PM ET

That’s a good point, but it brings up another good point.

Does Todd Bertuzzi still have to be called a dirty player?  He did one of the worst things in the history of hockey back in 2004, so I guess the strength of that one thing rightfully could color anybody’s future impression of him and argue that employing him now is in some ways a tacit approval of him and everything that goes along with that.

Personally, I think that’s bullshit…

Bertuzzi is by no means an angel and he will always have the Moore incident hanging around his neck, but he hasn’t played a dirty game since before the lockout.  The “old” Todd Bertuzzi doesn’t exist anymore and the people who still say he has no business being in the league should have moved on by now to blame the league for that and not the player, who by all rights has shown the entire hockey world that he is truly sorry for what he did.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/15/11 at 08:57 PM ET

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And really, if something like this happened and the Wing were involved, would you agree with everyone saying, “Yeah…but the Wings employ Bertuzzi so they deserved it/shouldn’t say anything about it.”

I was as anti-Bertuzzi as you could get in 2004, and I thought he deserved WAY more than he got.  the idea that he was suspended for an entire season that didn’t even exist was bullshit.  But Todd Bertuzzi 2009/2010/2011 is a completely different player than Todd Bertuzzi 2004 was.  If you watch him play now you can’t even attempt to argue that he’s not a different player.

Know how it was said that Cooke said he changed his game after the Savard hit, then performed a number of dirty hits since?  Bert is changed.  Simple as that.

Besides, Bertuzzi didn’t do that as a Red Wing, so it’s a moot point.  If Detroit employs a guy who does what Cooke did and complains about other teams’ dirty players I would be just as disgusted.

Except that Ken Holland isn’t a hypocrite, so that wouldn’t happen.

I said it before, there’s no way an owner or GM is going to call out one of his own players publicly.

The point is that he didn’t have to say anything at all.  He could have kept his mouth shut.  If you’re THINKING of saying something about another team being dirty, just look over your team’s roster and make sure you don’t have any dirty players, or just shut your mouth.

Posted by Garth on 02/15/11 at 09:20 PM ET

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Anybody that wears a fluorescent pink suit jacket and calls an enthusiastic goal celebration ‘showboating’ is a hypocrite.

Where do I send the bill for the keyboard I just ruined spitting liquid all over it? ; )

But on point, even a stopped clock is right twice a day. I have to side with Mr Ostentatious on this one.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 02/15/11 at 09:43 PM ET

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