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Alan's avatar

It’s true. I can’t think of one person who thought Vegas would be one win away from their first cup final, much less be a .500 team competing for a draft lottery spot. I know a few fans who were upset that their team lost the series against VGK, but those people also realize that Vegas played a better game. So too is the case here. Vegas is playing all around better, and I think most people are expecting them to win.

Good luck, Vegas.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 05/19/18 at 11:09 AM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

The only “advantages” the Knights got in creating their team came from (1) teams that gave them picks or players in order to protect other players and (2) teams like Florida that gave away quality players in Marchessault and Smith because they wanted/needed to dump salary.

Florida was so anxious to dump Smith’s salary they gave him away for a 4th round pick. The Pens gave away Fleury because they couldn’t afford both him and Murray. And Vegas got Alex Tuch from the Wild for a mere 3rd rounder. Those “advantages” aren’t Vegas’ fault.

But their biggest “advantage” was getting Gerard Gallant after dumb-ass Florida let him go. Without him, the Knights wouldn’t be where they are today.

So all of those who are complaining about Vegas making it to the Conference Final should just look at what their own team did to help put them there. Hell, Dale Tallon in particular should get a huge gift basket from George McPhee.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/19/18 at 11:32 AM ET

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I wonder if the Knights win the Cup are they going to add Tom Rowe’s name as well, he was as insrtrumental as anyone in helping the Vegas Knights build their team.

Posted by bababooey on 05/19/18 at 11:42 AM ET

HaHasek's avatar

Vegas is fun to watch, they’re a great team.

What bothers me about a tweet like this is that you can cherrypick complaints about anything from anyone nowadays, just to prove a point. There are millions of opinions out there, what you choose to reply to says more about the replier than any “butt-hurt” collection of fans. Just as many fans out there love Vegas.

Posted by HaHasek on 05/19/18 at 11:44 AM ET

Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

A crock of shit indeed. I’ve watched every announcer from Milbury to Canadian commentators spew about how great the Jets are, but, Vegas is lucky or get all the breaks, or its all Fleury. Bah! I say. It’s a team effort, and too bad to all the doubters and whiners.
I enjoy watching Vegas respond quickly after being scored on and come back with a goal or two. They’re winning because they work hard and are well coached. They sure as heck didn’t get this far on luck.

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 05/19/18 at 11:59 AM ET

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No complaints about how they got here, but Fleury is the reason Vegas is up 3-1. The Jets have dominated play in 3 of the 4 games of this series, by a long shot.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 05/19/18 at 12:06 PM ET

Steve in San Francisco's avatar

I don’t do Twitter, but I did say in some forum that VGK were starting the season with a better D-corps than the Wings or several of the lower-tier teams, and Fleury is probably a Hall of Fame goaltender… And yea, they fleeced Florida. But I never thought they’d get this far by any stretch.

Also, tangentially related:
https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/goes-brown-pros-cons-golden-knights-cup-win/

Posted by Steve in San Francisco on 05/19/18 at 12:19 PM ET

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...I did say in some forum that VGK were starting the season with a better D-corps than the Wings or several of the lower-tier teams…

Posted by Steve in San Francisco on 05/19/18 at 01:19 PM ET

The reality is that, as a group, their starting six make about the same as the combined salaries of Green and Kronwall. The highest cap hit for a Vegas defensman is Sbisa at $3.6M. And they were all considered the #3 or #4 d-men (or less) by the teams that exposed them in the draft.

Like so many of the Golden Knights, their defensemen are all having career years. And, again, I think that’s in part the result of Gallant and his staff. Maybe if the Wings had a better coaching staff, their defensemen would play better too.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/19/18 at 12:45 PM ET

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Said it all OTC.  I was saying ver Batum the same thing to my jackets buddy last night when he started going in on how unfair it is.  Like Columbus was ran when but got hogtied by the league.  Come on.  Foley on down have been great.  Gallant especially.  Who the jackets also let go.

Posted by ThatGuy on 05/19/18 at 02:11 PM ET

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To all those saying, Vegas = team effort, bang on.
No Captain, all leaders.

Posted by Cubanpuckstoppr on 05/19/18 at 03:18 PM ET

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To all those saying, Vegas = team effort, bang on.
No Captain, all leaders.

Posted by Cubanpuckstoppr on 05/19/18 at 03:19 PM ET

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How great we Vegas be when they have to comply with the salary cap with an existing team? Lure free agents? Keep UFAs? Resign RFAs?

Great story no doubt. But without the struggles of any other team.

Posted by TreKronor on 05/19/18 at 05:06 PM ET

OlderThanChelios's avatar

How great we Vegas be when they have to comply with the salary cap with an existing team? Lure free agents? Keep UFAs? Resign RFAs?

Posted by TreKronor on 05/19/18 at 06:06 PM ET

Okay, TK, you’ve got a valid argument, but also consider this. They have the 5th lowest cap hit in the league right now. And with a long playoff run and the cap going up next year, they’ll have a lot of money to play with next year.

I wouldn’t be surprised if UFAs like Neal, Perron and Sbisa don’t all take “hometown discounts” to stay in Vegas. On top of that, Karlsson, Nosek, Theodore and Miller are all RFAs. Most will get raises (with Karlsson probably getting a juicy long-term deal). But I’d be shocked if they didn’t take discounts too.

The bottom line is Vegas parlayed a great entry-level draft and great coaching into an opportunity that players like Fleury wanted to be a part of. That feeling should actually be stronger next year.

Great story no doubt. But without the struggles of any other team.

Well, I’d bet on McPhee and his staff meeting those upcoming challenges. I don’t think anyone in Vegas or anywhere else will be betting 500-1 that they don’t make the SCF next year.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/19/18 at 06:00 PM ET

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Vegas is fun to watch, they’re a great team.

Quite the story. love it. LOL

Posted by bigfrog on 05/19/18 at 06:05 PM ET

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