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Speaking to reporters in New York, Fehr said it was too early to characterize whether or not the proposal means talks are progressing, he commented that both proposals tabled on Wednesday were consistent with each side's previous principles in talks.
Fehr classified the counter-proposal as "responsive" but held firm that he and the players saw no reason for an absolute reduction in salaries based on revenue growth. He did, however, state that the players could be prepared for a lesser share of hockey-related revenues should they continue to grow.
As to whether the proposals would lead to an agreement before any games are lost, Fehr would only say that, "we can only make a deal when people are ready to make a deal".
Meanwhile, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said that the league saw little change from Players' Association's previous proposals.
Update: from ESPN New York's Katie Strang:
Update #2: from Sportsnet's Michael Grange:
Update #4: From ESPN's Pierre LeBrun:
TORONTO/NEW YORK (September 12, 2012) – The NHLPA and at least 16 players of the Montreal Canadiens filed an Application in Montreal on Wednesday with the Commission Des Relations Du Travail (Quebec Labor Relations Board), asking it to declare that the NHL’s planned lockout is illegal in Quebec.
An emergency hearing on the application is scheduled for Friday morning, at 10:30 a.m. ET, in Montreal.
“The players on the Montreal Canadiens simply want the labour laws of Quebec upheld, so that we can continue to play hockey while we work towards reaching a fair contract with the NHL,” said Josh Gorges, Canadiens defenceman.
In Quebec, an employer is not allowed to lock out employees unless they belong to a union that has been certified by the Quebec Labour board. The NHLPA is not a certified union in Quebec.
via the CP at TSN,
The NHL and NHL Players' Association are back at the bargaining table.
The sides resumed discussions at the league's Manhattan offices with just over three days remaining before their collective bargaining agreement expires. "We have some things to tell them," said NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr as he stepped into the NHL offices.
It's the first formal session they've held since Aug. 31.
Prior to the meeting, deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Canadian Press that he expected the union to deliver an "agenda" or "message," if not a proposal.
from George Johnson of the Calgary Herald,
Come back and see us when you’re ready to see reason. When you’re prepared to stop pouting and posturing, and play.
Until then, please just go away. To your drop-dead gorgeous summer homes in the Shuswap. To your vast corporate holdings in skyscrapers of glass and steel.
Until then, we don’t want to know.
Not about your counter-offers and their counter-counter offers. Not about scheduled meetings and cancelled meetings. Not about petty grievances or the indecipherable legalese that apprently passes for information.
The latest installment of Labour Relations NHL 101 has much of the feel of the last one, and the one before that. What has shifted seismically, however, is pervading public mood.
from Michael Grange of Sportsnet,
One source close to the bargaining process painted the purpose of today's meeting this way:
"If you're going off a cliff with someone, you want to take one last chance to make sure you understand each other."
League sources do expect the union to bring some kind of proposal forward although it's not clear how signficant it will be.
So officially: Do not get your hopes up.
But there is no doubt at this stage -- and there hasn't been since the two sides first met as part of a feeling out process in Los Angeles during the Stanley Cup final in June -- that Don Fehr and Gary Bettman understand each other's point of views vividly.
from CTV Atlantic,
“I really think this one won't be as long as the last one,” said Gretzky Tuesday during an event at Casino New Brunswick in Moncton. “I think somehow, some way, both sides will come together and we'll be playing hockey sooner rather than later.”
Recent negotiations between the NHL and the National Hockey League Players' Associationhave produced little common ground.
Another hockey legend says if players are told to stay home, they won’t be there for long.
“I just can't believe they won't get together,” Orr said Monday in Charlottetown. “There may be a short delay, but I can't believe it will be more than a short time. It would be so silly.”
from Sean Gentile of The Sporting News,
If the entirety of the NHLPA is looking for work in a few days, the KHL can afford to be picky—and that's just what the Russian league will do.
Only "top-rated talent" is welcome, according to Sport-Express' Slava Malamud, and that's according to the league's stated guidelines.
That means that if clubs are looking to sign non-Russian NHL players, they must have played in either 150 NHL games, on national teams, in the KHL previously or won a Stanley Cup or individual trophy.
The rules will go into effect the day the NHL announces the lockout and be enforced until the situation is resolved. Owners maintain that they'll lock out the NHLPA on Sept. 15.
If the owners promised to pay the players the dollar value of the contracts they've signed them to and let the player's share of HRR shrink over time, the players would very likely sign up Wednesday afternoon. If the players were willing to let their share of HRR diminish to 50 per cent or so sooner rather than later, the owners might go for it, but the players are still trying to win battles the lost seven years ago.
There is no need to bring in labour boards to figure this out. There is no need for any of the posturing we can predictably anticipate later this week. There is no need to delay the start of the season.
There is only need for common sense, but each has taken turns putting the boots to that patient and it's on life support, resting not at all comfortably.
-Michael Grange of Sportsnet where you can continue reading about this topic.
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