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from Pierre LeBrun of ESPN,
So what now?
I don’t see any way this thing is wrapped up anytime soon. You have to begin to think that at least half the season might be in jeopardy now with both sides so entrenched.
The timing of Wednesday’s dueling proposals should surprise no one. In conversations I’ve had with people on both sides of the divide, it’s clear there was a desire to bring a fresh offer on the eve of important and large gatherings for both parties. The NHLPA wants all 30 owners to get a look Thursday in the Board of Governors meeting at what the players are willing to do and let them decide for themselves how they feel about it. Similarly, with 250-plus players gathered in New York on Wednesday and Thursday for two days of meetings, the league hopes the players can take a look for themselves at the league’s last offer.
Not sure that’s going to sway either side much. The owners will give Bettman near unanimous backing on Thursday to commence the lockout on Saturday night. The players will be quoted Thursday after their meetings saying they stand in solidarity and believe in what their leader, Donald Fehr, is telling them.
There’s one thing I’m pretty sure of, though. If the players and owners held their meetings at the Red Roof Inn in Toledo, Ohio, rather than in fabulous downtown Manhattan, they actually might get something done. The pressure from the media alone would force a compromise.
-Steve Buffery of the Toronto Sun where you can read even more on the CBA talks.
This time Fehr has roughly 300 of his closest NHL players with him, as the settle in New York for two days of NHLPA meetings.
I have to believe most of you have come to the conclusion we are about to see a lockout when we wake up on Sunday morning.
I am not going to post numerous tweets from Fehr's press conference, but this one basically sums up the wide gap between the two parties.
First Gary Bettman (14 minutes) followed by Donald Fehr ( 7 minutes) below.
Speaking to reporters in New York, Fehr said it was too early to characterize whether or not the proposal means talks are progressing, he commented that both proposals tabled on Wednesday were consistent with each side's previous principles in talks.
Fehr classified the counter-proposal as "responsive" but held firm that he and the players saw no reason for an absolute reduction in salaries based on revenue growth. He did, however, state that the players could be prepared for a lesser share of hockey-related revenues should they continue to grow.
As to whether the proposals would lead to an agreement before any games are lost, Fehr would only say that, "we can only make a deal when people are ready to make a deal".
Meanwhile, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman said that the league saw little change from Players' Association's previous proposals.
Update: from ESPN New York's Katie Strang:
Update #2: from Sportsnet's Michael Grange:
Update #4: From ESPN's Pierre LeBrun:
TORONTO/NEW YORK (September 12, 2012) – The NHLPA and at least 16 players of the Montreal Canadiens filed an Application in Montreal on Wednesday with the Commission Des Relations Du Travail (Quebec Labor Relations Board), asking it to declare that the NHL’s planned lockout is illegal in Quebec.
An emergency hearing on the application is scheduled for Friday morning, at 10:30 a.m. ET, in Montreal.
“The players on the Montreal Canadiens simply want the labour laws of Quebec upheld, so that we can continue to play hockey while we work towards reaching a fair contract with the NHL,” said Josh Gorges, Canadiens defenceman.
In Quebec, an employer is not allowed to lock out employees unless they belong to a union that has been certified by the Quebec Labour board. The NHLPA is not a certified union in Quebec.
via the CP at TSN,
The NHL and NHL Players' Association are back at the bargaining table.
The sides resumed discussions at the league's Manhattan offices with just over three days remaining before their collective bargaining agreement expires. "We have some things to tell them," said NHLPA executive director Donald Fehr as he stepped into the NHL offices.
It's the first formal session they've held since Aug. 31.
Prior to the meeting, deputy commissioner Bill Daly told The Canadian Press that he expected the union to deliver an "agenda" or "message," if not a proposal.
from George Johnson of the Calgary Herald,
Come back and see us when you’re ready to see reason. When you’re prepared to stop pouting and posturing, and play.
Until then, please just go away. To your drop-dead gorgeous summer homes in the Shuswap. To your vast corporate holdings in skyscrapers of glass and steel.
Until then, we don’t want to know.
Not about your counter-offers and their counter-counter offers. Not about scheduled meetings and cancelled meetings. Not about petty grievances or the indecipherable legalese that apprently passes for information.
The latest installment of Labour Relations NHL 101 has much of the feel of the last one, and the one before that. What has shifted seismically, however, is pervading public mood.
from Michael Grange of Sportsnet,
One source close to the bargaining process painted the purpose of today's meeting this way:
"If you're going off a cliff with someone, you want to take one last chance to make sure you understand each other."
League sources do expect the union to bring some kind of proposal forward although it's not clear how signficant it will be.
So officially: Do not get your hopes up.
But there is no doubt at this stage -- and there hasn't been since the two sides first met as part of a feeling out process in Los Angeles during the Stanley Cup final in June -- that Don Fehr and Gary Bettman understand each other's point of views vividly.
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