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Woops…Make That 18, eh Ansar?

Well, that’s just nifty. Now Khan(!)‘s telling us his math narrows the Wing cap space down to 18 million.  Nothing frigging worse than a math-challenged pharmacist moon-lighting as a Wing beat writer. 

MLive (if you can get to the story through their slow-ass server)

They are expected to sign Swiss star Damien Brunner to a two-way, entry-level contract on Sunday, or shortly after.

It will take roughly another $5 million to sign restricted free agents Kyle Quincey and Justin Abdelkader this summer.

That would leave about $18 million in available cap space and just one available roster spot. Of course, they can clear more money and roster spots by trading and/or sending down players to the Grand Rapids Griffins.

Can someone explain to me why we absolutely must sign Former Dive Kyle Quincey to a deal that’s at least 3 million?  And don’t even tell me Abdelkader’s getting 2.

Former Dive Kyle Quincey can earn 2 million for the right to prove he deserves to be a Red Wing.

Abdelkader can get 1 million based on what he’s shown us and what he’s capable of.

And that equals 3 and that equals 21 left for the real toys: motherfuching Suter and Parise, KHAN(!!!!!)

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Star Trek II:  The Math of Khan

Posted by Colquohoun on 06/28/12 at 03:45 PM ET

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Thank the hockey gods Khan(!) doesn’t have Ryan Martin’s job with the Wings.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 06/28/12 at 03:47 PM ET

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Thank the hockey gods Khan(!) doesn’t have Ryan Martin’s job with the Wings.


LOL

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 06/28/12 at 03:50 PM ET

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woosah Chief, woosah

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/28/12 at 04:03 PM ET

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The RFA rules require that a Qualifying offer be made, depending on the situation, at at least 100% of the previous salary.  Some QO’s can be at or near 100% and others can go to 110%, 120% or (IIRC) 140%.  I think Quincey is a 110% guy, so his QO is somewhere around 3.4 or 3.5 mil.

Now that doesn’t mean any multi year deal he signs has to be at or above that level, merely that any one-year QO has to be there… which sort of means that Quincey isn’t going to be signing a long term deal in Detroit right away, not when he can make 3.4ish by default and the UFA market for dmen is what it is.

So Detroit has two realistic options:  First, make him the QO and eat that cap space in a year where they have loads of it.  Second, refuse to make the QO and he becomes a UFA and the team pissed away the pick.

The QO is a no-brainer, and I think they already did it IIRC.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 06/28/12 at 04:15 PM ET

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Can someone explain to me why we absolutely must sign Former Dive Kyle Quincey to a deal that’s at least 3 million?

Because he’s worth it.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/28/12 at 04:22 PM ET

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Because he’s worth it.

And we can’t sign him for less.

Posted by Heaton on 06/28/12 at 04:30 PM ET

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Don’t forget, we HAVE to make some trades.  We have the cap space to upgrade but not roster spots.  K,Q,W,E,S,Kl (6 d spots filled,  Suter would make 7, not including Garrison, who I didn’t realize is 6’2” 220lbs)  Bottom 6 already has:

Cleary/Helm/Eaves
Miller/Abby/Nyquist
Mursak/Emmerton

And we’re trying to upgrade the Wing in the bottom 6.  2 Have to go no matter what.  That’s at least a mil freed up no matter what.  Well 1.08.  Abby doesn’t get 2.  Just doesn’t.  Helm got 2.  Abby is 1.5 tops but Qbert is 3.5 easy, especially for the resume he’s got, even if it’s not accomplished, it’s experienced.  Problem is realistically, he’s only slightly better than Kindl for 7x the price.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/28/12 at 04:31 PM ET

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yeah ... Abby is worth about $1.25 to $1.5 mil. but Quincey .....

It really doesn’t matter what you sign him for because he’s trade bait.

There are hockey players that are smart but don’t have the physical ability to make the right play and there are hockey players with tons of physical ability and zero brain function.  Quincey is the latter.

Its so damn frustrating to be watching a game .. Quincey with the puck ... next thing you know you’re screaming at the TV because of yet another brain fart of his.

Does the Red Wing brain-trust think he’ll be OK this season because he’ll be more comfortable with our system ??  I say NO !!!

Sign him and package him up and ship him out.

Who said the off-season was boring ??  baaaahahahaha !!!

Posted by Hockeytown Wax from West Bloomfield, Mi. on 06/28/12 at 04:50 PM ET

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Ahh the Quincey trade, the gift that keeps on giving…

Posted by Primis on 06/28/12 at 05:05 PM ET

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Is this the same Kyle Quincy that we were gnashing our collective teeth about as “the one that got away” just a few seasons ago? The same Kyle Quincy who is regarded as a second pair defenseman in the NHL?

So because he didn’t just slot in perfectly because he used to be a Wing he’s suddenly garbage? Let’s ingnore the fact that he’s played out of our system more than in over the last few seasons. Let’s also ignore the fact that he had to play major minutes that he probably shouldn’t have due to injury. No, we’ve decided he’s crap and therefore he needs to be shipped out regardless of the fact he’ll take less salary than other top 4 defensemen to retain and still has the skills that made us lament his loss a few years ago. Oh and he’s only 26 (Guess how old Kindl is? 25).

Sign him and let him start fresh in the system and I think he’ll be fine. A solid second pair defenseman who can play down on the bottom pair if needed and jump up to the top pair in a pinch.

Posted by Moocat on 06/28/12 at 05:20 PM ET

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For Quincey, Khan must be using the Ericsson abacus.

Posted by mserven from warmer than where you are, Arizona on 06/28/12 at 05:22 PM ET

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And we’re trying to upgrade the Wing in the bottom 6.

We’re trying to upgrade the highest scoring bottom six in the league?  Why?

They aren’t the problem with this team.  The top six is.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/28/12 at 05:23 PM ET

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Sign him and let him start fresh in the system and I think he’ll be fine. A solid second pair defenseman who can play down on the bottom pair if needed and jump up to the top pair in a pinch.

Posted by Moocat on 06/28/12 at 03:20 PM ET

Fans wanted to keep him as a 3rd pairing d-man who still needed development before.  The problem is he was a 2nd pairing in LA I think, and a 1ST PAIRING guy in Colorado, and truthfully one or both of those stops seemed to develop some bad habits he’s now carrying over to DET.

But we don’t need a 3rd pairing guy right now (we have plenty of those already).  What we need is a top pairing guy, and a 2nd pairing guy.  Right now, Quincey looks like neither of those, and we need those IMMEDIATELY, not someone to develop (because again, we have guys we could do that with already).

Kindl also hasn’t played pro nearly as long, nor does Kindl require a $3m cap hit.  Given the choice, I’d rather give Kindl another shot I guess.

Posted by Primis on 06/28/12 at 05:24 PM ET

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Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/28/12 at 03:23 PM ET


uhhh, because Mike Babcock said so?  He said he wanted a big winger that can add some sandpaper.  Ask Him why he’d want to “upgrade” the highest scoring bottom 6 in the league.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/28/12 at 05:29 PM ET

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I must have missed that.  I’ve got a suggestion for a big winger for the bottom six:  Todd Bertuzzi.  He really needs to fall out of the top six this year, preferably replaced by Parise, but I’m certainly willing to settle for Nyquist bumping him down.  Obviously he isn’t the sandpaper that you had Babcock requesting but he is at least size and respectably physical.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/28/12 at 05:43 PM ET

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refuse to make the QO and he becomes a UFA and the team pissed away the pick.

Lets get this straight.  There is no doubt the team pissed away a pick.  Quincey was bad in LA, horrible in CO and a complete clusterfuch in the D.  The question is, why compound the problem by signing him to a bloated contract so that he can teach his bad habits to Smith?

And the reason they want to upgrade the size of the bottom 6 is ever since the 08 Cup, they’ve been missing Dallas Drake, and they wanna get that ol’ warm, fuzzy, bone crunching feeling back again.

Posted by Hootinani on 06/28/12 at 05:43 PM ET

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The Wings need to get some size and sandpaper for the bottom six, even if that means <gulp> we have to move or part with Emmerton or Mursak :-(  This team is too easy to play against and I will be a bit miffed if the reason we don’t go after some Moen types is because we need to tap into the “potential” that is Emmerton.

Posted by booyah! from chicago on 06/28/12 at 05:53 PM ET

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We’re trying to upgrade the highest scoring bottom six in the league?  Why?
They aren’t the problem with this team.  The top six is.
Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/28/12 at 03:23 PM ET

I think the top and bottom 6 are a problem. But that’s just me…. and Babcock…. and Holland… and Jimmy D….

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 06/28/12 at 06:03 PM ET

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And the reason they want to upgrade the size of the bottom 6 is ever since the 08 Cup, they’ve been missing Dallas Drake, and they wanna get that ol’ warm, fuzzy, bone crunching feeling back again.
Posted by Hootinani on 06/28/12 at 03:43 PM ET

This ^^^^

The Wings need to get some size and sandpaper for the bottom six, even if that means <gulp> we have to move or part with Emmerton or Mursak :-(  This team is too easy to play against and I will be a bit miffed if the reason we don’t go after some Moen types is because we need to tap into the “potential” that is Emmerton.

Posted by booyah! from chicago on 06/28/12 at 03:53 PM ET

And this ^^^^^

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 06/28/12 at 06:11 PM ET

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Hal Friggin’ Gill signed for $4mil.

Posted by Herm from the office on 06/28/12 at 06:13 PM ET

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$2 million a year, Herm.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 06/28/12 at 06:14 PM ET

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Kyle Quincey is a lousy first-pairing guy the same way Brad Stuart was a lousy first-pairing guy when he got traded to Detroit.

The problem isn’t that he’s trash. The problem is that he’s not good enough to play on a team’s top pairing.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/28/12 at 06:17 PM ET

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Dammit MasterChief, I’m not used to more than one new thread per month.

The Weekend begins.  Bassnectar, The 808 Track.

Electric Forest Festival , Rothbury, MI

West Sigh-Yeeed!

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/28/12 at 06:21 PM ET

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Posted by Moocat on 06/28/12 at 03:20 PM ET

Rational thought with a long term perspective is not the standard here.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/28/12 at 06:28 PM ET

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The problem isn’t that he’s trash. The problem is that he’s not good enough to play on a team’s top pairing.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/28/12 at 04:17 PM ET

Yep.

Which means in the Wings case that Kronwall moves up to the top unit with a Suter or Carle and Quincey gets paired with White, a combo that struggled at times in March and April.

If by some chance we land a true first pairing player to compliment a Suter or Carle…

Kronwall stays on the second unit (where he does his best work) with…. Quincey; and that pair doesn’t leave many warm fuzzies upon first glance.

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 06/28/12 at 06:28 PM ET

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Thanks, fluffy.

Why don’t people just give us the cap hit?

Posted by Herm from the office on 06/28/12 at 06:28 PM ET

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Posted by RWBill from missing the Tiki Bar at The Shores, Daytona Beach. on 06/28/12 at 04:21 PM ET

Looks and sounds like the recent Electric Daisy Carnival held at the Las Vegas Motorspeedway.

Yeah, I’d worry about the psychedelics and X-tasy….

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 06/28/12 at 06:28 PM ET

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Chief, I did your trolling on a Khan post a few days ago about this, I’m not going again. 

$5M between Quincey and Abdelkader is more accurate than $4M, though, if we’re going to keep Q.

Boy, Mathieu Dandenault could fit in a couple of roles for this team for just one salary.  He may have been underappreciated, lost between maybe 8 hall of famers (maybe 9, maybe 10).

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/28/12 at 06:38 PM ET

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Yeah, I’d worry about the psychedelics and X-tasy….

Posted by SYF from a drunken Guinness blitz on 06/28/12 at 04:28 PM ET

Yeah that looks familiar.  The trees and the campgrounds and stages all lit up.

  I’m worried about the psychedelics, x-tasy, and my daughter, mixed.  And Sunday noon Free Agency.  Damn what a stressful weekend.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/28/12 at 06:44 PM ET

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Why don’t people just give us the cap hit?

That would make too much sense, these days.  “Hall Gill signed for two years, $2mil cap hit per” is pretty clear isn’t it.  I bet even Khan could understand.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 06/28/12 at 06:47 PM ET

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  I’m worried about the psychedelics, x-tasy, and my daughter, mixed.

Posted by RWBill from missing the Tiki Bar at The Shores, Daytona Beach. on 06/28/12 at 04:44 PM ET

I know whatcha mean, brother.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 06/28/12 at 07:13 PM ET

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Lets get this straight.  There is no doubt the team pissed away a pick.  Quincey was bad in LA, horrible in CO and a complete clusterfuch in the D.  The question is, why compound the problem by signing him to a bloated contract so that he can teach his bad habits to Smith?

Enh, I think you’re overreacting a little bit.  Q’s an NHL dman.  On a good team he’s a 15-17 minute a night guy, on a bad team he’s a 20 minute a night guy.  In Detroit this means he’s a #4-6 guy depending on what his special teams role is, if any.  IMO Kronwall, White, Ericsson and Smith are all better, so Q is a #5 here by default.  If Detroit signs a blueliner, he’s #6.

Quincey’s contract this year is a lot like E’s contract last year: an emergency parachute.  If Detroit pushed Quincey out of an airlock and then failed to get a Suter/Weber type guy on the roster… that would be really stupid.

I’m not thrilled the Wings gave up a #1 (even one of their late #1’s) for him, but that’s water under the bridge.  Now it’s a question of at least getting the roster in a passable state in case The Worst Happens.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 06/28/12 at 07:20 PM ET

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Enh, I think you’re overreacting a little bit.
Posted by HockeyinHD on 06/28/12 at 05:20 PM ET

Yeah.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/28/12 at 08:11 PM ET

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Garrison, Georges Laracque on a two-way, and $14 million to spend frivolously at the trading deadline for “missing pieces” is not going to be good enough.  Because at the trading deadline we don’t usually do squat because we don’t want to “overspend”.  Overspend.  Now.  This is America.  We like big cars, large breasts, and for once lets show we will spend some BIG money to get a big name players.  With all due respect to Hank and Pav, we don’t have the array of stars on the marquee to inspire too many guys to play for below market.

Posted by Colquohoun on 06/28/12 at 09:48 PM ET

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We’ve got Prince Fielder.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/28/12 at 11:41 PM ET

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Picking up Quincey was a good move, signing him will be a better move.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 06/29/12 at 02:30 AM ET

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Picking up Quincey was a good move, signing him will be a better move.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 06/29/12 at 12:30 AM ET

So would getting both Parise and Suter for 10 years @ 9 million each.  Overspending? That’s debatable.  But the Wings would be a true contender for awhile.  Also it would mean that nobody else would get them.  Hell. Throw 10million at them.  Get them.

Is Suter worth more than #5? nope. But if #5 were on the open market, he’d be worth over 10.

Is Parise worth 10? To add a top player to OUR roster and NOT on anybody elses roster, yes.

Posted by cementslinger from Midland MI on 06/29/12 at 01:16 PM ET

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This is a real thing??!!!!?  In my dreams!! And in my kitchen!

“Single elimination, four round IPA challenge”

 If you wait ‘til next April and are headed to Toronto, you should get in on this:  http://caskdays.com/ipachallenge

Posted by Leo_Racicot on 06/29/12 at 11:47 AM ET


And it’s a 19+ Event !!!  Of course!

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 06/29/12 at 03:31 PM ET

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Posted by RWBill from missing the Tiki Bar at The Shores, Daytona Beach. on 06/29/12 at 01:31 PM ET

NICE!

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 06/29/12 at 04:00 PM ET

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