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Wings Have Money To Spend

from Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News,

The Wings only have $46.2 million committed to 11 players right now, with decisions pending on 12 restricted free agents. The Wings will bring back some of those restricted free agents but still will have plenty of money to add productive, proven players from cash-strapped teams.

Pittsburgh (15 players under contract, $13.2 million available cap space), Tampa Bay (15 players, $5.3 million cap space), St. Louis (20 players, $2.04 million cap space) and Toronto (16 players, $4.5 million cap space) are teams who will have to make deals.

With that in mind, here are some players who could interest the Wings this offseason:

- Tyler Johnson, Tampa Bay, center: Johnson has a cap hit of $5 million over the next four seasons and his statistics have dropped over the last three seasons (14 goals, 31 points this season). But general manager Steve Yzerman is familiar with Johnson from his days in Tampa and at 29, Johnson would strengthen the Wings’ lineup.

- Yanni Gourde, Tampa Bay, center: With a cap hit of $5.16 million for the next five seasons, Gourde’s six-year, $31 million deal seemed generous as soon as it was signed, and it now haunts the Lightning. Gourde slumped from 25 and 22 goals in 2017-18 and 2018-19, respectively, to 10 this season. He might actually thrive with a bigger role on a team like the Wings.

- Alex Killorn, Tampa Bay, center: With three more years at $4.45 million, Killorn scored a career-best 26 goals this season. But at age 30, how much better will Killorn get? The Lightning need the cap cushion to sign several important restricted free agents.

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- Tyler Johnson

- Yanni Gourde

- Alex Killorn

Three not so great contracts I would rather Yzerman not bring with him to Detroit.

Posted by TreKronor on 07/14/20 at 01:44 PM ET

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Good article.

Am agnostic as to the specific players at this point but it’s
a really interesting topic to consider.

With Killorn, the main benefit if the acquisition cost is
low is he could be flipped for potentially a better return as
a deadline deal. Johnson might be useful as a second line center,
but what would he have left when the Wings are good enough to
be in the playoff conversation. Gourde is younger but I’m not sure
he’s a long-term fit in that role. Schwartz might not be cheap and is
a fit with where the Wings are in their rebuild?

All three goalies makes some sense at the right price, but there are
1A/B fill-ins who could platoon with Bernier and be had on short term deals as
UFAs.

Both Kapanen and Johnsson could help the scoring depth long-term if they could
be re-signed.

Posted by lefty.30 on 07/14/20 at 02:50 PM ET

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The rest of the names in the article are more interesting.  If the goalies are available, it could clear up draft needs.  I am so out of sorts with the dates of things this year, but between the draft, trades, and a Free Agency that appears to have a lot of the bridge positions we need it could be a very interesting fall.  I have to say, its nice to have some cap flexibility.  We will see how much after the RFA’s are taken care of.

Posted by murph1jj on 07/14/20 at 02:53 PM ET

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I’d take Schwarz and Allen in a heartbeat, but I think it would take a lot to convince them to stick around after their contracts expire if the Wings arent ready to compete.

I would be leery about bringing another young player like Kapanen into this coaching shit show.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 07/14/20 at 03:18 PM ET

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Unless there’s a Patrick Marleau-type deal out there where the Wings take on a big-money player with a short-term contract in exchange for a significant draft pick (low first round or high second round), I’d pass.

If there ever was a time to “play the kids,” this is it. Find out what’s there, and then make some deals at the trade deadline.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 07/14/20 at 03:24 PM ET

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I’m with Lefty,  assuming we’re dealing from a position of strength, i.e. we have capspace and you need it, I would not mind seeing Alex Killorn here.  He’s got 3 more years at $4.45mil, he’s not a long term risk, coming off his last season though, I bet it he would generate enough interest we’d have to trade assets to get him, but could keep him for this season, and flip him the season after or in his final year.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 07/14/20 at 03:52 PM ET

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Good article….

With Killorn, the main benefit if the acquisition cost is
low is he could be flipped for potentially a better return as
a deadline deal….

All three goalies makes some sense at the right price, but there are
1A/B fill-ins who could platoon with Bernier and be had on short term deals as
UFAs…..
Posted by lefty.30 on 07/14/20 at 02:50 PM ET

Good article? please tell us more about the bad contracts that other teams are desperate to get rid of without stating this player has a no trade clause thus he would say no to moving to Detroit.

Lets also not mention the reason why Tampa is so desperate to get rid of these guys to make room to re-up their RFA’s forward Cirelli & d-man Sergachev. Both players could be lost for very little return like Tampa was forced to do with JT Miller instead of losing him to an offer sheet.

I’d much rather target the RFA’s via trade or offer sheet than sign the worst player contracts in the league.

Killorn will be 31 before next season with 3x 4.45M left and a 16 team no trade clause throughout.. Those move to the next team with the new CBA. So real possibility he can’t be flipped at the deadline as he can say no to even getting traded when he lists all the teams with tight squeezes as his acceptable list.

Tyler Johnson of Jimmel Kimmel fame
Tyler & his girlfriend
google it

Claims on Jimmy Kimmel to know him very well. And looks similar to his gf
google it

Watch for yourself
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PRNwrgu5uPg

The only thing worse than that is his contract. 30 yrs old in a few days. Full NTC until 21-22 when it becomes a 20 team no trade clause. Age 30-33 years. Over the past 5 years he failed to score 20 goals 3 times (including this year where he wasn’t on that pace). So why would he want to waive his full NTC to go to Detroit?

Yanni Gourde is a bottom 6 forward on Tampa. His contract is worse than “TJ from Florida, Tampa Bay (watch the vid if you don’t understand).  Again full NTC, why does he waive it? His cap hit is worse. The term is worse. His partial NTC kicks in ‘22-‘23 and is 23 teams. Why does Detroit want him? He’s 28 so there’s some positive.

Goaltenders are a different story as it would make sense to add one on a short-term contract. But that is essentially helping Pitts or St. Louis for nothing. Better to extract something for helping them as Allen and Murray aren’t what everyone expected a few years ago.  Remember these teams are in cap hell and need someone to rescue them. That much in goalie salaries make sense on 2 teams right now ( Detroit and Ottawa) so I don’t know how much more of a buyers market there is to drive down the price.

Unless there’s a Patrick Marleau-type deal out there where the Wings take on a big-money player with a short-term contract in exchange for a significant draft pick (low first round or high second round), I’d pass.

If there ever was a time to “play the kids,” this is it. Find out what’s there, and then make some deals at the trade deadline.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 07/14/20 at 03:24 PM ET

Agreed for the most part: except I want to go after other teams RFA particularly Tampa’s. D-man Sergachev was a top 10 pick just 4 years ago and is already showing what made him go that high. Cirelli is a skilled 2-way center. So many players on Tampa have NTC—funny that Kucherov & Point don’t—that the team is ripe for dumping talent or losing to offer sheets. Take advantage of it.

Posted by d ca on 07/14/20 at 04:19 PM ET

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My thoughts echo many of the previous posts.

Johnson: Term is too long and would cut into cap money needed for Zadina, Seider and hopefully some other rising young player. Plus is approaching the age of steady decline and has a NTC.

Gourde & Killorn, see above.  And not every player will excel in an expanded role or even seize the opportunity (see Erne and Perlini)

Jarry:  I don’t see Pittsburgh moving him.

Murray: I’ve never been a fan.

Jake Allen: I’d take a chance on him and the Wings need another NHL ready netminder.  An expiring contract that should yield a draft pick or prospect as well.

Jaden Schwartz: Basically the same as Allen but a forward, I’d do it.

Kasperi Kapanen: I would definitely try to swing a deal for him.  While Toronto is desperate for cap space, I think many teams will be interested in Kapanen.  They won’t have to give him away for nothing.

Andreas Johnsson: I’m indifferent here…meh

Detroit should be able to weaponize their cap space to bring in a serviceable player or 2, some picks and/or prospect.

Posted by Steve1306 on 07/14/20 at 07:20 PM ET

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It’s a good article by Detroit beat writer standards
in that it raises an interesting, relevant consideration
re: a different approach to possibly improving the team, and has some
specific suggestions, whether they hold water or not.

Whether a guy has a no trade clause or not is
definitely a fair point. I didn’t fact check Kulfan
and maybe he should have taken that extra step.

I read Killorn as having one season left rather than three
for some reason. Yeah, three is more of a risk especially when a guy
is at or over 30. Bigger forwards decline faster at that age.

But we also have to be realistic about who these teams are going to
make available. They are all playoff teams (albeit the Leafs barely haha)
and in any case they are not going to move their best young players.
Sergachev snd Cirelli have to be two of the very last players Tampa would trade.

Think of this article as a starting point for debate.
Kulfan at least seems to sometimes come up with something
a little beyond the endless three paragraph cut and paste.

Posted by lefty.30 on 07/15/20 at 03:20 AM ET

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There are rumors that Vancouver might be looking to trade Brock Boeser due to cap crunch reasons.  That might be a good acquisition for us.  23 year old 0.8 PPG player.  Kind of crowds the right wing position, but might give Zadina a little time to grow and fills a gap whenever Mantha gets injured again…

Posted by Hippy Dave from Somewhere West of Detroit on 07/15/20 at 02:11 PM ET

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Also Dobber Hockey’s reporting that Johnny Gaudreau was moved off the main grouping at the Flames’ camp today due to lack of fitness levels.  They think he could be a “sell low” in the offseason… not sure about that one but he does slot in at left wing.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Somewhere West of Detroit on 07/15/20 at 02:21 PM ET

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Wonder what Detroit’s pro scouts (and the amateur scouts at KK)
think of Dylan Strome. And what Chicago would want back - other
than cap space.

Not really better than a second line player, but can play center.
RFA coming off ELC.

Posted by lefty.30 on 07/15/20 at 04:46 PM ET

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If we end up drafting Drysdale, I’d trade Cholowski +
for Strome.

The rumor from Elliotte Friedman was apparently that
Strome was available and not for an “exorbitant” price.

Posted by lefty.30 on 07/16/20 at 07:29 AM ET

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Posted by lefty.30 on 07/16/20 at 07:29 AM ET

Probably will go down when they get Lafreniere too

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 07/16/20 at 11:31 AM ET

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Ha - yeah, it’s going to be tragicomic when
he just happens to end up with one of those
2-3 teams that always seem to briefly dip just
low enough to catch a break in the lottery.

Posted by lefty.30 on 07/16/20 at 12:48 PM ET

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