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Weiss Struggles Continue

via Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press,

To Weiss’ credit, no one is more aware of how he’s underperformed. “I haven’t played to my potential and need to figure out the cause of that,” he said. “I think we’re starting to narrow that down. It’s getting to that time now where you have to stop worrying about systems and where you’re supposed to be on the ice, and just play. I’ve got to get it in my head to just play loose like I always have and I’ll be fine.

“It’s a different style and system we play here, there’s a lot of responsibility as a centerman, and sometimes you can get stuck in the mud out there trying to be too positional, and I think that’s been the case at times. The goal going forward is to scratch that mindset and go out and play and if you mess up, you mess up.”

So, what does Weiss need to do to find his game again?

Would playing with Datsyuk help or perhaps just going out and playing hockey instead of worrying about positioning, make the game fun again.

Any other suggestions?

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J.J. from Kansas's avatar

There aren’t any useful suggestions after “get out of your own head and just play hard”.

Nearly all of his problems stem from him being a half-step too slow to decide which direction he needs to be going.  I’d rather he change direction after making a decision than screw up both of his choices by taking too long.

This is what we saw for so long out of Ericsson.  He was translating the game in his head and that was slowing him down just enough to cause major problems.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/11/13 at 11:58 AM ET

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If we’d stay healthy enough, give him a game or two to sit and watch… take the self imposed pressure off and unwind a little bit.

Posted by MOWingsfan19 from I really like our team on 12/11/13 at 12:08 PM ET

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Weiss not on the ice at practice this morning in Tampa.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/11/13 at 12:09 PM ET

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admit a terrible signing, buy him out and take the hit. try to trade quincey for anything (or give picks with him to get rid of him). get a solid d-man. don’t resign cleary.

and pavel needs to be in the shootout no matter what. bad call last night babs. I dont care if he’s 0-for whatever, he should be automatic.

Posted by callmedrw on 12/11/13 at 12:11 PM ET

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Plus a more physical presence would be nice. I know it has been said here before, but he never goes to lay a hit on anyone. There were several times last night where Florida’s D had great clearing opportunities, but they had one determined Tomas Tatar coming at them. Tatar was able to stop the puck from being cleared AND lay a hit on the D; you’re never going to intercept any pucks if the D knows that they can just wait you off every single time.

Weiss is not the biggest dude, and it’s understandable that he doesn’t have the most physical presence but it is imperative that he gets stronger on the puck. Take a hit to make a play.

Not playing much last season is no longer a valid excuse in my eyes, but it seems to have taken any semblance of snarl from his game and it is a snarl that he needs to find if he wants to be successful with this team.

Also on an unrelated note, why weigh datsyuk down with franzen AND bertuzzi?
Bertuzzi provides net-front presence, Franzen provides the willingness to shoot the puck so in theory these lines make sense… But I cannot help but think someone like Nyquist who has great playmaking abilities and great patience with the puck would benefit greatly by playing with Datsyuk. Even if it is just on the powerplay.

At times last night the 21-18-14 Line was dominant, why not switch 18 out with Pav, even if it’s just on the powerplay? Apart from our one goal it looked putrid, and putting three supremely talented, mobile players together sounds loads better than weighing nyquist and tatar down with cleary.

I cannot wait until Z is back.

Posted by Robert on 12/11/13 at 12:11 PM ET

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@callmedrw Absolutely.

I was thrilled that babs switched up the shootout lineup and finally took bertuzzi out, and I was thrilled that Tatar and Nyquist both got opportunities. Alf is a threat to score, but, I’ll be damned before I say any of those guys should have been in over Pav. Although, Pav really does not to stop with that backhand to forehand and wide move that he’s become so fond of.

At this point I think he keeps trying it because he figures “it has to go in eventually”, but I’m not sure that’s the mentality to have when the game is on the line.

Posted by Robert on 12/11/13 at 12:14 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

admit a terrible signing, buy him out and take the hit.

yeah ok, but what do you do with him until you’re actually allowed to do that sometime around June 15th?  You just shut him down?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/11/13 at 12:20 PM ET

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Weiss going for tests, groin/ab issue.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/11/13 at 12:34 PM ET

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admit a terrible signing, buy him out and take the hit.

Anyone who gives up on a long-term signing less than half a season in needs to have his head examined.

Posted by Garth on 12/11/13 at 01:10 PM ET

TreKronor's avatar

admit a terrible signing, buy him out and take the hit. try to trade quincey for anything (or give picks with him to get rid of him). get a solid d-man. don’t resign cleary.

Absurd on the Weiss comments. 

And quit dreaming - if a Quincy trade was possible, it would have happened by now.  No one wants that cap hit or ability, even if it comes at no cost. 

20+ teams would like a solid d-man.  What makes you think we haven’t tried that already, and that someone wants to give up one? 

and pavel needs to be in the shootout no matter what. bad call last night babs. I dont care if he’s 0-for whatever, he should be automatic.

Posted by callmedrw on 12/11/13 at 11:11 AM ET

Babcock doesn’t make that call - the video coach does, based on observations they’ve made during the game.  Babcock mentioned this process a week or two ago.

Posted by TreKronor on 12/11/13 at 01:38 PM ET

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Put Weiss on LTIR and bring up another defenseman who isn’t injured so Lashoff can heal and bring up another forward with a little more offensive upside. Ferraro or jurco. Even Sheahan may be better than Emmerton. Bring up Callahan because he had both some points and some snarl.

Posted by teldar on 12/11/13 at 02:25 PM ET

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The cap rules won’t let the Wings buy out Weiss anyway.  No one that signed under the current labor agreement can be bought out.  Wings are stuck with him.  Fortunately, the cap will skyrocket and this signing won’t look as bad in 2 years even if he doesn’t improve his numbers or effort, which is practically impossible.

Posted by jkm2011 on 12/11/13 at 03:25 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

The cap rules won’t let the Wings buy out Weiss anyway.  No one that signed under the current labor agreement can be bought out.

Can’t use a compliance buyout on Weiss, but ordinary course buyouts remain an option.

Which is what I figured when callmedrw said “buy him out and take the hit.”

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/11/13 at 03:35 PM ET

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JJ; How does a normal buy out work? What relief would the Wings get if they waived Weiss and no one claimed him? Would he just be stuck in GR like EAves and Tootoo? And what about his 4.9AAV for 5 years? What happens to his cap hit?

Posted by ZandPasha11 on 12/11/13 at 03:42 PM ET

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Here you go ZP11

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/11/13 at 03:45 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

How does a normal buy out work?

Here: it’s easier to just use Capgeek’s calculator

http://capgeek.com/buyout-calculator/?player_id=812&buyout_y=2014&buyout_m=06&buyout_d=15

What relief would the Wings get if they waived Weiss and no one claimed him? Would he just be stuck in GR like EAves and Tootoo? And what about his 4.9AAV for 5 years? What happens to his cap hit?

They’d get $925K in cap space this year and he’d have to go to Grand Rapids.  If they wanted to keep him there next season, they’d have to waive him again before sending him back down for the 2014-15 year.  If that happened, the cap space they would save would go up to $950K

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/11/13 at 03:49 PM ET

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