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Updated @ 10:34 PM w/ confirmation: The Red Wings want Nabokov?  Why?

As Paul’s reported today, and ESPN’s Pierre LeBrun and the Sporting News’s Craig Custance are reporting, the Red Wings apparently have some interest in unrestricted free agent—and mandatory waiver-bound goaltender—Evgeni Nabokov.  According to Sport-Express, Nabokov spent four hours in talks with the Wings, but that’s about all I can find about Nabokov’s situation in the Russian press, save Nabokov’s agent, Sergei Isakov, told Lifesports.ru that Nabokov’s looking for an NHL deal, but was pursuing contract offers in the Czech Republic and Sweden as of Monday…

So what the hell’s going on here?

Let’s cut the, “ZOMG THE WINGS WILL TRADE JIMMY/OZZIE” panic out of the equation and work logically here.

1. It is entirely possible that, despite Holland’s suggestions to Khan, either Howard’s bruised knee is more seriously injured than we know, or that Osgood had much more extensive sports hernia surgery than we’ve been led to believe (GM’s have to fib sometimes to keep their cards to themselves), so the Wings need a veteran back-up.

2. Given Holland’s statements when he allowed Ty Conklin to walk—that the Wings couldn’t keep bringing in 35-year-old goalies forever—I find it extremely unlikely that the Wings have any plans to trade a goaltender or simply not re-sign Howard.  In the present market for goaltenders, even a goalie who puts up 30 wins a season can’t expect to earn more than about $4 million a season, and as we all know, Holland’s a master at making cap numbers work (see: Valtteri Filppula, Jiri Hudler). 

Moreover, the Red Wings and Jim Bedard in particular have put in thousands of hours of time, energy, effort, and probably no small amount of money into transforming Howard from a chubby reactionary goaltender into the nearly technically perfect netminder he is today.  You don’t cut ties with that kind of prospect because his agent has unrealistic expectations for a contract that expires in July when you’re talking to that agent in January.  Howard’s happy in Detroit, the Wings obviously see him as their goalie of the present and future, Thomas McCollum factor included (he’ll eventually graduate to become Howard’s back-up or co-starter if all goes according to plan), and as Osgood’s been a fantastic mentor and clearly wants to retire as a Red Wing, well, the Detroit Red Wings aren’t a team that cuts ties with a near-life-long-Wing just because someone better comes along.  That’s not how the organization works.

3. It’s entirely possible that the Wings know that Nabokov would be picked up on waivers, and are simply performing a courtesy signing for the team that would snag him—it bears mentioning that the as-presently-configured Wings will be dangerously close to the salary cap again when Pavel Datsyuk, Mike Modano, Brad Stuart and Dan Cleary return—for “future considerations,” i.e. to grease the wheels for a depth-making trade for a defenseman or forward at the deadline, if not, should we start to receive reports that he’s pulled a Ville Leino and tuned out the coaches, a Jiri Hudler trade.

Also: It’s semi-official, for the moment I’m using the A2Y blog, but over the next couple of days I’ll start to return to work and get back up to speed as The Malik Report finally officially launches.

Update 4:25 PM: Quoth Jimmy Howard to Ansar Khan:

“Whatever helps the team helps the team,’’ Howard following the morning skate at Scottrade Center. “But I think for the most part everyone in here is planning on having (Chris Osgood) back here whenever he’s due back.’‘

General manager Ken Holland shot down rumors and speculation that Osgood’s recovery will take longer than first anticipated or that he might be out for the season. Holland said Osgood, who had surgery for a sports hernia on Jan. 11, still is due back in early to mid-March.

But if the club signs Nabokov, he’ll surely push Howard for the starting job. Where would that leave Osgood?

If a deal is completed, Nabokov still must clear waivers, meaning any team can put in a claim for him and prevent him from joining the Red Wings.

The Detroit News’s Ted Kulfan believes that Nabokov may be a stopgap until Osgood returns—around the trade deadline…

“I have had conversations with Nabokov’s agent,” Wings general manager Ken Holland said.

Holland wouldn’t speculate about what triggered the Wings’ interest in Nabokov. Likely, it’s Chris Osgood’s sports hernia surgery; he will be out until March.

The Wings would be looking to strengthen their goaltending if Jimmy Howard were to go down again with injury. He missed the last two games with a bruised right knee but is starting Thursday night in St. Louis.

With only Joey MacDonald and young Tom McCollum in reserve after Osgood went down, the position is thin.

And it doesn’t take a rocket surgeon or brain scientist to tell you that while MacDonald has played valiantly in Howard’s stead, he’s a journeyman for a reason…

The Free Press’s George Sipple also confirms Holland’s interest:

”I will confirm that I have had conversations with the agent for Nabokov,” Holland said.

Don Meehan is Nabokov’s agent.

Don Meehan was also Nicklas Lidstrom’s agent for quite a while and is one of the most powerful agents in the business.  FYI.

Holland would not say anything more about why he was interested nor what it would mean for Chris Osgood’s future. Osgood is out 6 to 8 weeks after having sports hernia surgery.  Even if he agreed to a contract with the Wings, Nabokov still would have to clear NHL waivers. The Blues recently agreed to deals with Marek Svatos and Kyle Wellwood of KHL, but both players were claimed by other NHL teams.

Wings coach Mike Babcock had nothing to say about the rumors swirling after today’s morning skate about Nabokov.

“Absolutely nothing,” he said. “And if I did, I wouldn’t tell you anyway, would I?”

USA Today’s Kevin Allen adds this very obvious but needs-to-be-said caveat:

We can presume he will be signed, but what we don’t know is whether he would get through waivers still belonging to the Red Wings.

My guess is that the Red Wings won’t be paying Nabokov too much more than the minimum $550,000 contract. What that means is that some team might be tempted to grab Nabokov.

The Washington Capitals like their young goalies, but would they consider bringing in Nabokov as an insurance policy? Would the Ottawa Senators bring him in to add a spark to their playoff hopes?  Are the Philadelphia Flyers satisfied with their goalkeeping?

There aren’t many teams that would be interested in Nabokov, but it would only take one.

Update 4:30 PM: Via Paul, per TSN’s Darren Dreger on Twitter:

@capgeek. Deal still isn’t done, but $570,000 for the rest of the year is what I’m told. Pro-rated to about $250,000.
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Hard to imagine Nabokov doesn’t get claimed at $570,000 or as the last tweet indicated…roughly $250,000 pro-rated.

And Capgeek’s Matthew Wuest:

If the #nhl #redwings sign Nabokov, it’s likely with the intent of placing Osgood on LTIR and using that space on a goalie.

This has to be a courtesy signing, at least in my opinion, for some sort of, “Hey, team X, since you’re gonna nab him, how about we get the deal done for you and we talk at the trade deadline/draft?” purpose.

Update 4:36 PM: Per Allen:

Red Wings can’t pay Nabokov much more than minimum because of cap space issue. It seems like it’s 55-45 or 50-50 that he clears waivers.

Update 4:40 PM: Nick Cotsonika has this to say, via WXYZ’s Tom Leyden:

Holland still talking to Nabokov’s agent and will continue. Deal not done with Red Wings.

Update 4:50 PM: Capgeek says…

When healthy, without MacDonald, Tatar and Mursak, #redwings have exactly $574,740 in cap space. Thus Nabokov’s reported $570,000 cap hit.

The wisest words about this situation come from Holland himself, via the Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness:

Holland would not say why the Wings were suddenly interested in obtaining Nabokov, “Those are more questions for if something does happen – can’t put the cart before the horse.”

Jimmy Howard is back to full health after missing two games with a bruised knee and is expected to start tonight in St. Louis.  Joey MacDonald is the backup with Chris Osgood on the shelf recovering from sports hernia surgery he had done on Jan. 11.

Osgood is scheduled to return sometime in early- to mid-March.

“The surgery went well,” Holland said. “He is rehabbing. Barring any setbacks, he’s (out) six to eight weeks.”

Here’s what I know: Ken Holland is the consummate tire-kicker.  He explores EVERY avenue, talks to EVERY GM about EVERY available player at the trade deadline, prior to the draft, and agents about prospective free agents’ asking prices…And he’s kicking tires here.  We’ll have to see what happens over the next couple of hours and days.

Update 6:08 PM: MLive’s Ansar Khan offers the obvious—the Wings will do the grunt work and sign a goalie who’s going to another team:

A source close to the situation said the Red Wings will sign Nabokov for $570,000, which is only about $250,000 prorated for the rest of the season. He would go on waivers Friday at noon and would need to clear before joining the Red Wings.

At that price, he likely will be claimed by another team.

“I wouldn’t get my hopes too high; the contract is peanuts,’’ a source said. “Anyone in need of a goaltender will put in a claim. Somebody in the West might say, ‘I don’t want Detroit to pick him up.’ ‘’

The Red Wings did not offer a multiyear deal with bonuses or a no-trade clause to discourage other clubs from putting in a claim for Nabokov because they don’t want to be committed to him past this season without having seen how he will fare.

Update 6:25 PM: Holland had this to say to the Windsor Star’s Dave Waddell:

“We’ve had conversations (with Nabokov’s agent Don Meehan),” Holland said before the Red Wings played the St. Louis Blues in St. Louis on Thursday. “I don’t know (if we’re close to a deal). It’s hard to know. We’ll see.”
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Holland remained tight-lipped about why the Wings were exploring their goaltending options. He originally said he wasn’t in the market for a goaltender after backup goalie Chris Osgood underwent surgery to repair a sports hernia Jan. 11. Osgood is expected to be ready to play in mid-March.

“Those are questions for if something does happen,” Holland said. “Can’t put the cart before the horse.”

Again, Osgood’s supposedly on track to come back in early March…

“Everything I’ve been told he’s right on schedule,” Holland said, adding that Osgood’s return is pegged for March. “The surgery went well. He is rehabbing. All indications are everything went well.”

Update 6:37 PM: Here’s a Tweet from the Associated Press’s Larry Lage...

Evgeni Nabokov’s agent on talks with the Red Wings: “Good discussions with Detroit,” Don Meehan wrote in an e-mail.

Update 7:46 PM: It’s hard to take anything that Sport-Express’s Igor Larin says at face value, but according to Larin (think the Russian version of Larry Brooks meets Bruce Garrioch meets Eklund), Nabokov’s European agent, Sergei Isakov, says that Nabokov’s hale and hearty, that the negotiations with the Wings are going well, and…according to Larin, anyway, the Carolina Hurricanes or Ottawa Senators are the favorites to snag Nabokov off waivers.

Update 8:36 PM: The Macomb Daily’s Chuck Pleiness pondered what signing Nabokov would mean if, say, the Wings made it hard for other teams to claim him, which they have not.

Update 9:48 PM: Via Paul, the Globe and Mail’s David Shoalts offers these tidbits:

Just saw Nabokov’s agent Don Meehan. He said all the remains to be done on deal with Detroit is contract language. Then waivers, of course.
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Meehan could not offer assurance Nabokov will clear waivers.

Update 10:34 PM: It’s official, per the Red Wings’ Twitter feed.  Now the Wings have to put him on waivers on Friday at 12 PM and we’ll see what happens.

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Jeff  OKWingnut's avatar

I agree with Mandingo:

but I’ll tell you right now the Wings are going nowhere in the playoffs with the defense and goaltending as it stands. Nowhere.

Someone has expressed interest in Howard.

If the Wings sign Nabby, Jimmah is gone. 

Nothing else makes any sense.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 01/20/11 at 05:31 PM ET

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Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 01/20/11 at 03:19 PM ET

The worst thing that could happen to Philly would be for Detroit (or any team) to pick up him up on re-entry. When Leighton is in the minors, his cap hit is $0. If he gets picked up on re-entry, his cap hit goes up to $750,000 and stays there, immovable, for the rest of this year and next year. It puts Philly over the cap this year and is a headache for next year.

Philly doesn’t care about paying his $1.5 salary. That’s chump change. They care about his cap hit being $0 and not three quarters of a million.

Even if Detroit agreed not pick him on re-entry, there’s no guarantee that some other team wouldn’t do it. I disagree with you that Leighton would likely clear waivers, and even if there’s a good chance that he does, it’s still too much risk for the Flyers.

The only realistic possibility would be for Detroit to swing a trade for Leighton while he’s still in the minors. But I’m also not sure whether or not he would need to clear re-entry to play for Detroit after the trade—I have a suspicion that he might. And if that’s the case, Detroit recalls him and another team claims him, then the Wings get a $750,000 cap hit for the next two seasons just for the pleasure of owning Leighton’s rights for two and a half hours on a lazy afternoon.

And even if it ISN’T the case, and he can join Detroit’s active roster without clearing re-entry, then he’s still sucking down a $1.5 cap hit. And that’s just obscene for a guy like Leighton. Pass.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 01/20/11 at 05:40 PM ET

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Nabokov has been forced into the ‘soldier of fortune’ role, and likely interested in a short (2011) contract in order to prove his worth.  If that were the case, what team would be interested in claiming a ‘currently has been’ that becomes a free agent at the end of this season.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 01/20/11 at 05:40 PM ET

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he’s still sucking down a $1.5 cap hit. And that’s just obscene for a guy like Leighto

No worse than Ozzy.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 01/20/11 at 05:44 PM ET

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Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 01/20/11 at 03:44 PM ET

Touche.

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 01/20/11 at 05:45 PM ET

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Whoops. And you’re right about PHI cap space. I didn’t realize they were quite that close to the cap anymore. Calling him up would be a risk to them, and regardless they’d have to make another move. That complicates my idea.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 01/20/11 at 05:47 PM ET

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Howard and Ozzie really haven’t been the issue this year. I agree they’ve had a few too many off nights but the number of turnovers the Wings and make and the high quality of the turnovers is death to goalies.

The Wings fanbase is always so fond of crying that the Wings goalies never steal a game when the honest truth is goalies rarely steal games. Sometimes it happen when a goalie is having that “magic” year or is on a hot streak but more often than not it comes down to the situation the goalies are put in. Again Howard and Ozzie can certainly pick up their play but they haven’t been horrible either.

Idea of giving up on Howard a 27 year old goalie to sign a 35 year old goalie would be just about the stupidest thing the Wings could do. It’s been over a decade and probably closer to two since the Wings have brought along a goalie prospect that is legitimately NHL caliber.

Posted by moocat on 01/20/11 at 05:48 PM ET

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The wings are almost in a worst-case-scenario with regard to Howard this year.
He’s been slightly above average so far. He hasn’t been bad enough to assume they’ll be able to sign him to a manageable contract, and he hasn’t been good enough to justify a large contract. It’s lose/lose for the Wings.

That said, there are a lot of games left to be played, but I’ve net let that stop me from panicking before.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 01/20/11 at 05:50 PM ET

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Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish

There is absolutely no way that Bob Clark would let Leighton land in the lap of a possible (likely) SC final opponent.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 01/20/11 at 05:51 PM ET

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Kevin Allen at Mucking & Grinding,

My guess is that the Red Wings won’t be paying Nabokov too much more than the minimum $550,000 contract. What that means is that some team might be tempted to grab Nabokov.

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 01/20/11 at 06:12 PM ET

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Welcome back, George!

My what a bomb you’ve dropped here.  It should be interesting to see how this plays out…

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 01/20/11 at 06:14 PM ET

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Welcome back George, you were sorely missed.

I see this as an insurance policy. Osgood is pretty much done, he’ll retire, and we’ll have some leverage in the Howard negotiations.

I’ll say it’s a 2 year deal 1.5M/yr NMC and we have our 1B goalie for next year.

Posted by MacPhisto from Hungary on 01/20/11 at 06:25 PM ET

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Osgood is pretty much done, he’ll retire, and we’ll have some leverage in the Howard negotiations.

I think it depends on his surgery..  If it turns out as well as Draper’s, he may play another 4 or 5 years.  His groin problem has become chronic over the last 2 seasons, and probably why he has hinted at retiring after this season.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 01/20/11 at 06:34 PM ET

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I’ll say it’s a 2 year deal 1.5M/yr NMC and we have our 1B goalie for next year.

Is there any way that gets through waivers?  I can’t see it.

Posted by Stevis on 01/20/11 at 06:38 PM ET

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Is there any way that gets through waivers?  I can’t see it.

I think with the NMC, it could, because who wants to gamble that much money and then get stuck with someone untradeable?  Then again, why would we do that?  Ha…

Posted by Zaze on 01/20/11 at 06:46 PM ET

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Posted by HockeyTownTodd from AKA GangstaGramps (Thanks, OSRT) on 01/20/11 at 04:34 PM ET

If that’s so, he must’ve shot up using the whole bottle just to get to 400. Bless him.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 01/20/11 at 06:47 PM ET

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Another thought…I wonder what country the Chief will order his boat to invade if this goes through…

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 01/20/11 at 06:50 PM ET

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Perhaps Tick - Tock is doing a little mis-direction here ala the Fabian Brunnstrom/ Ville Leino signing.  If Kenny’s looking at getting Leighton through waivers what better way then to make another team bite on Nabby so the field of claimers is a little smaller.  Just a thought.

Posted by calquake on 01/20/11 at 06:51 PM ET

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Prediction: If the Wings do sign Nabokov and he is then claimed off wavers, expect a deluge of “ZOMFG!1!1!! KEN HOLLAND GOT PWNED!!!11” reactions by idiotic Wing haters worldwide.

Posted by Mandingo from The Garage on 01/20/11 at 06:55 PM ET

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Glad to see you writing George.

This is a conspiracy and Kenny is the Lizard King (sorry Mmark).

Our new goaltender will be Alexander Semin.

Just watch.

btw: if this goes through, we’re good. If it’s just greasing the wheel for another team for a deadline deal, that’s good too.

Posted by Osrt on 01/20/11 at 07:08 PM ET

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But if the club signs Nabokov, he’ll surely push Howard for the starting job.

Exactly. I’ve been wondering if Uncle Mike and the brain trust were showing a vote of confidence for Ozzie, or, becoming less confident with Howard.

Yes, I get it that Ozzie had a few personal goals he would liked to have reached, like Sawchuck’s for instance, but Uncle Mike is not that sentimental.

Bottom line, it’s aboot whoever give us the best chance to win.  I’m not making any wagers at this point. Wait and see.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 01/20/11 at 07:16 PM ET

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I see this as an insurance policy. Osgood is pretty much done, he’ll retire, and we’ll have some leverage in the Howard negotiations.

Most sensible scenario I’ve read yet.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 01/20/11 at 07:16 PM ET

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Kenny is the Lizard King

Well dammit.  Back to MS Paint to work on my next avatar to reveal along with whatever magic the “true” Lizard King is planning. 

My theory - basic goalie insurance for the stretch + leverage for Jimmy talks - which is just as important as anything else that’s been mentioned.  Although, I’m totally ready for whatever elaborate plan drops out of Kenny’s head.

Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 01/20/11 at 07:32 PM ET

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I didn’t see the line “This is Paul here, standing in for George”, but I ‘m sure that’s what’s happening.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 01/20/11 at 07:44 PM ET

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I’ll say it’s a 2 year deal 1.5M/yr NMC and we have our 1B goalie for next year.

Probably a one years deal with a higher cap hit to make picking him up on wavers more costly.  They can reevaluate his position at the end of the season, right now there’s cap space to burn due to LTIR.

Posted by Chris in A^2 from Nyquist Puck Control on 01/20/11 at 08:00 PM ET

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Happy to see you back George.

Not sure re Nabby but I trust Tick Tock knows his stuff.

Posted by Trish from Tampa/Clearwater FL on 01/20/11 at 08:20 PM ET

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Is Kenny also offering to house sit for another team’s GM? 

There’s been no talk of St. Louis garnering favors for their poachees, why would it be any different in this situation?

I get going after Nabby for its own sake:  insurance in net.  This “favor” talk has me puzzled though.

Posted by dumbasrocks on 01/20/11 at 08:33 PM ET

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There’s just no way that he’s gonna clear waivers.  If Holland can parlay this into a mid-to-late-round pick in this summer’s Entry Draft from another team for retroactively-given “future considerations,” that’s enough.

He’s also talking to the agent for Jonathan Ericsson and a couple other Wings, which helps kick-start some stuff…

But the reality of the situation is that we’re not going to know why Holland’s doing what he’s doing until he either signs or does not sign Nabokov, and if he does sign, he’s plucked off waivers.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/20/11 at 08:40 PM ET

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There’s just no way that he’s gonna clear waivers.

O ye of little faith.

Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Was it??

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 01/20/11 at 08:50 PM ET

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Honestly, if you’re not too afraid of making a competitor stronger, it makes some sense to bring a guy like that over to the NHL even if the odds are slim that he actually clears waivers.

The fact that Holland even made the effort, despite what happened to the Blues, might mean something to a guy desperate to get back into the NHL and more or less resigned to the fact that it wasn’t going to happen this this year. Even if it’s only meant to be Holland’s way of taking the early lead for a Nabokov signing during the offseason, I’ll still consider it a worthwhile gamble.

Plus, who knows—maybe Nabokov somehow manages to clear waivers and the other 29 GMs all look at each other and go, “Wait a minute, I thought YOU were going to take him!”

Posted by Sven22 from Grand Rapids on 01/20/11 at 08:51 PM ET

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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Was it??

no, geroge washington lead his men into the breach and victory.

Posted by TheRealYooper from within sight of the edge of the Earth. on 01/20/11 at 08:51 PM ET

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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Was it??

no, geroge washington lead his men into the breach and victory.

In the middle of the night. On Christmas.

Posted by bobinalaska from Fairbanks, Palinistan on 01/20/11 at 08:54 PM ET

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YAY, can’t wait till the new blog launches, George!

Posted by cowboycoffee from San Francisco, CA on 01/20/11 at 08:57 PM ET

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I didn’t see the line “This is Paul here, standing in for George”, but I ‘m sure that’s what’s happening.

Posted by RWBill from The carpet of wet snow of central Virginia. on 01/20/11 at 05:44 PM ET

For whatever reason, the randomness of that made me laugh hard, which felt damn good for a change.

Happy to see you back George.

Not sure re Nabby but I trust Tick Tock knows his stuff.

Posted by Trish from PalmBeachCntyFL on 01/20/11 at 06:20 PM ET

Ditto on both.

Posted by pucked up on 01/20/11 at 08:57 PM ET

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nabokov at a half a mil?!! absolutely getting claimed. seems strange that Holland would even waste the effort unless this really is a favor.

but then why all the effort to sign him for under the cap space we would need when our other guys come back?

strange. i don’t understand how the odd are 50-50 that we keep him. i feel like it’s 98-2 that he’s gone.

but perhaps i’m missing something?

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 01/20/11 at 08:58 PM ET

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Heres the deal - - who is first in line to claim Nabby - - the Devils.

The Devils claim Nabby, then turn around and trade him to DET for Jimmah.

I don’t think Jimmy can get us to the promise land.

Remember, this may be TPH’s last season (gawd that hurts to type).  Tick Tock will do everything he can to make a deep run - - and no-one seriously thinks we have the goal-tending to do it.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 01/20/11 at 09:07 PM ET

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Welcome back George! Have missed reading you since what…training camp and your wonderfully complete take on everything.

Posted by wingsluver4ever on 01/20/11 at 09:12 PM ET

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Was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?

Was it??

no, geroge washington lead his men into the breach and victory.

In the middle of the night. On Christmas.

All while the French were blitzkrieging the shit out of the Japaneese in the Golf of Tonkin.

Posted by Behind_Enemy_Lines from Evanston,IL on 01/20/11 at 09:17 PM ET

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Tick Tock will do everything he can to make a deep run - - and no-one seriously thinks we have the goal-tending to do it.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 01/20/11 at 07:07 PM ET

Well JImmah was, at best, mediocre in the playoffs.  A couple of good games, but let in some poor goals.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 01/20/11 at 09:17 PM ET

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Remember, this may be TPH’s last season (gawd that hurts to type).  Tick Tock will do everything he can to make a deep run - - and no-one seriously thinks we have the goal-tending to do it.

I seriously think the Wings have the goaltending to do it.

Posted by George Malik from South Lyon, MI on 01/20/11 at 09:22 PM ET

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