Kukla's Korner

Abel to Yzerman

The Summer of Ken: 2013

This is hilarious.

There is no way on God’s green earth that all three of those players will be in the Wings lineup in two years. The Wings don’t work that way.

That's Mandingo, last night, responding to another bit of prescient prose from lead Digger, Helene St. James-Holland. And he's right. It's hilarious.

Here's what HSJ-H said after her benefactor, Ken Holland, directed her to.

The Wings also have to consider that in another year, they likely will be adding three talented forwards from their system in Tomas Jurco, Riley Sheahan and Landon Ferraro.

She wrote that. I didn't make it up. George even posted it and George doesn't dabble in speculation. I do. It's my thing.

LeCavaliar will probably end up in Dallas (said Holland as translated by HSJ-H).

The Wings will likely be adding three talented forwards...(but not any UFAs or anyone via trade because we like our team, we like our system, we like our approach, we like every fuching thing there is to like about our situation because we're the Detroit Red Wings and what's not to like, Helene? What? Write that down, but not like that, go ahead and say that Jurco, Ray's kid and that wrong-way driving Teletubby will be coming up in a year and we'll be all set. All. Set. Get all that?)

Do you have to literally believe what you write anymore? Is there a requirement to have a shred of conviction? She really, without attributing anything, said those three will likely be Wings in "another year".  If Jurco, Ferraro and Sheahan are up in a year we're all in rehab.

So, Vinnie goes to Philly (one of our new rivals, while you're bullshitting) for 4.5 and 4 and a NTC.  I guess his pace (new term Kenny told the Diggers to use so that they don't have to write he's too slow) wasn't what the Wings were looking for.  Ok. It was a "hockey decision", I'm sure. Not a financial one, or one based on the now highly effective approach that free agents will come to Detroit for less money and less term because of the...what? Yeah, I can't answer it either.

And Stephen Weiss now?  Khan(!), who used to be Deep Digger captain but absolutely must be replaced by St. James-Holland because baby Jesus says so...Khan(!) said Weiss used to be called...

“Weisserman'' because of his similarities to former Red Wings captain Steve Yzerman.

That's gonna go over real well.

30 years old. A midget like Happy. Good faceoff guy. Blah, bluh, blah.  I'd like him. I said that and even typed it.  But here's what's gonna happen:  Wally's gone. Off to some place like Winnipeg for 5.5. Never to be heard from again, kind of like most of the last two seasons in Detroit.  Weiss will sign with, I don't know, Buffalo. Too steep, according to a poll of JLA employees. Tires kicked. Discussions had. Vote taken. Negative. Not Kenny's fault. We like our team.

But here's the thing.  We kinda do.  We liked them in May and we still do.  We like the D, even though I'd be tempted to keep ColiacoWTF.  Without him, we're thin and nobody's coming up. We like the forwards, especially...(you fill it in and use the Helm word). 

We like them, but we're tired of the patter.  Just because Kenny likes this team doesn't mean it can't be dramatically improved.  But it won't be. Because it's not the Winged Way anymore.  It just isn't. They're not going to spend. Risks are not allowed. Apple carts must absolutely remain untipped. 

And so Friday another SOK will begin and end in a span of 72 hours.  Remember...we called. Talked to a lot of people, a lot of teams. A lot of agents. The money wasn't right and when it comes right down to it, when you consider Sammy's gonna be good by October and Bert's back to his old self and Helmer's gonna be back and, shit, Tatar is right on the cusp, plus DON'T FORGET DEKEYSER.  In the long run, we just decided we like this team. Always have.

Holes to fill. Money to spend. Hands to sit on. 

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Down River Dan's avatar

I’m sure I’ll be blasted for this, but I will take a Ken Holland analytical approach type GM over a Paul Holmgren shoot at anything that moves GM every time.

I get that many of you want Holland to sign the best available talent. So do I , when it makes sense. Hossa for 1 year made sense. Lecavallier for 5 years doesn’t make sense. It just doesn’t. Well, it does if your a spend like a drunken sailor, team like the flyers. Can’t wait until they add both dipietro and Thomas in goal to replace the floundering mason. Hey Vinny, your 6’4”....ever played net?????

 

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/03/13 at 12:54 PM ET

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I’m sure I’ll be blasted for this, but I will take a Ken Holland analytical approach type GM over a Paul Holmgren shoot at anything that moves GM every time.

I don’t think anyone wants an idiot like Holmgren in charge, but there’s a LOT of real estate between the two.

We could have a guy who, I don’t know, occasionally tries to improve his team through trades and/or FA signings.

Posted by Garth on 07/03/13 at 01:02 PM ET

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I’m sure I’ll be blasted for this, but I will take a Ken Holland analytical approach type GM over a Paul Holmgren shoot at anything that moves GM every time.

Why is it either/or?  You’re choosing between the two extremes, I don’t want a GM that doesn’t turn over his roster every summer to chase the latest and greatest UFA so I’ll take the other guy who does nothing ever.  False choices.

Posted by bababooey on 07/03/13 at 01:44 PM ET

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We could have a guy who, I don’t know, occasionally tries to improve his team through trades and/or FA signings.

So more like Chuck Fletcher then?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 01:48 PM ET

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So more like Chuck Fletcher then?

Doug Wilson, Peter Chiarelli to throw a few out there.

Posted by bababooey on 07/03/13 at 01:55 PM ET

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Posted by bababooey on 07/03/13 at 01:44 PM ET

Isn’t if funny the way people respond?  You say “It would be nice to make a trade or sign a significant UFA to improve the team” and the response is “Why don’t we just TRADE EVERYONE and give Vinny $47M a year for 32 years, right?!?!” instead of acknowledging that it’s a pretty reasonable thing to want your favourite team’s GM to actually improve the team a little bit, especially when they pubicly acknowledge the areas they need improvement and simply don’t end up addressing them.

Gee, I wonder why anyone would be frustrated…

Posted by Garth on 07/03/13 at 01:57 PM ET

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acknowledging that it’s a pretty reasonable thing to want your favourite team’s GM to actually improve the team a little bit, especially when they pubicly acknowledge the areas they need improvement and simply don’t end up addressing them.
Gee, I wonder why anyone would be frustrated…
Posted by Garth on 07/03/13 at 01:57 PM ET

I’m with ya, Garth. The apologists, on the other hand, are not. Screw ‘em.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/13 at 02:00 PM ET

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So more like Chuck Fletcher then?

Or Peter Chiarelli, Ray Shero or Dean Lombardi.

Guys who make moves and take chances because they aren’t afraid of failing.

Guys who, coincidentally have all won the Stanley Cup since the Wings last won and also made it back to the Conference Finals or Stanley Cup finals since then…

Posted by Garth on 07/03/13 at 02:04 PM ET

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Holland is a lot like Peter Chiarelli. They both traded a first-round pick for a guy who would go on to score 0 goals in the playoffs that season. The difference there is that Holland got an RFA-to-be where Chiarelli didn’t.

I mean, it’s nice that Chiarelli’s first ever draft pick as the Bruins’ GM was a #5 overall thanks to taking over as GM after two straight seasons of his team finishing at the bottom of their division. Even better that it turned out to be a guy who would draw so much attention from Brian Burke that he’s net them a #2 overall pick a few years later.

Doug Wilson is the guy who gave Ken Holland the #58 overall draft pick three days ago so he could move up two spots and take a guy the Wings weren’t interested in and ended up moving sideways in a deal with the Wild.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 02:14 PM ET

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Guys who, coincidentally have all won the Stanley Cup since the Wings last won and also made it back to the Conference Finals or Stanley Cup finals since then…

Guys who have also coincidentally all either taken a team through or taken over a team going through a period where they were among the league’s worst teams and got very high-value draft picks in return for missing the playoffs.

Ken Holland stands alone among that group of GMs as the only one who hasn’t missed the playoffs since the lockout before last.

“Why don’t we just TRADE EVERYONE and give Vinny $47M a year for 32 years, right?!?!”

It’s every bit as hilarious as “ZOMG WHY DIDN’T KENNY EVEN TRY TO SIGN VINNY LOLOLOLASLEEPATTHEWHEELLOLOOLOL”

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 02:24 PM ET

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So, where is all the outrage surrounding the fact that Kenny hasn’t jumped on mr. Illitch’s private jet,8 year contract in hand, flying in to scoop up UFA to be and ......gasp!!!......a 2nd line Center!!!...Tyler Bozak???

Come on Kenny….your not doing your job!.....heck give em 10 years….if that’s what it takes to outspend the flyers, or leafs.

Your on the clock Kenny…..tick tock….. shut eye

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/03/13 at 02:45 PM ET

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In Kenny we have General McClellan when we really need General Sherman.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 07/03/13 at 02:51 PM ET

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Come on, JJ. I like you and we know you’re a smart guy. You can’t possibly think that reaction is exclusively based on Vincest Lecavalier.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/03/13 at 02:54 PM ET

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Good lord. Vincent.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/03/13 at 02:55 PM ET

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Vincest Lecavalier

Holy porn name.

Posted by SK77 on 07/03/13 at 03:00 PM ET

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Summer of “I like this Team” 2013

Posted by TheRealYooper from within sight of the edge of the Earth. on 07/03/13 at 03:01 PM ET

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quote]Ken Holland stands alone among that group of GMs as the only one who hasn’t missed the playoffs since the lockout before last.


Doug Wilson is the other one. And the rest of those GM’s took turned those franchises around.

Posted by bababooey on 07/03/13 at 03:08 PM ET

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Doug Wilson is the guy who gave Ken Holland the #58 overall draft pick three days ago so he could move up two spots and take a guy the Wings weren’t interested in and ended up moving sideways in a deal with the Wild.

You’re right.  What an amazing thing Holland did, trading for a late second round pick that he used to choose a player who was unranked by Central Scouting.

Guys who have also coincidentally all either taken a team through or taken over a team going through a period where they were among the league’s worst teams and got very high-value draft picks in return for missing the playoffs.

Or, if you want to argue what I said, these are guys who won the Stanley Cup, and since then have returned to the Conference Finals or the Stanley Cup Finals since then.

They made moves to better their teams and give them a real shot at being Stanley Cup champs.  They didn’t refuse to make any moves at all for fear of failure or cling to the belief that being one of the top 16 teams in the league means they’re still elite, still a destination for UFAs who should be begging to wear the jersey.

You can’t possibly think that reaction is exclusively based on Vincest Lecavalier.

No, of course he doesn’t, bu he has to pretend he does because if he was to look at the last five years of “activity” he wouldn’t have any witty quips to reply with.

Posted by Garth on 07/03/13 at 03:22 PM ET

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Hahaha Vincest Lecavalier is amazing. He comes from a very loving family.

As far as what I think and in regards to how smart I am (which is very), I think it gets harder and harder to have an actual conversation with people here because this is what is boils down to pretty consistently and it’s every bit as annoying to me apparently being painted as somebody who sounds as stupid as garth’s caricature up there as it is to you to be painted as somebody who sounds as stupid as my equal-and-opposite reponse.

I agree with you that I’m disappointed Ken Holland didn’t give Alex Semin a one-year shot and I think the hindsight on the moves he DID end up making looks a lot more like what people feared it would than it does like people hoped it would.

I’m going to be disappointed if Ken Holland gives Danny Cleary $9M over 3 years.

I’m not disappointed that Ken Holland didn’t give Vinny Lecavalier the deal he got from Philly. I’m not thrilled about it either. Had he signed him, I’d have my reservations about the length and the NMC, but I’d be talking right now about how the skillset that Vinny still has makes the Wings better in the short run and that cap projections have the ability to mitigate the long-term risk of Vincest becoming worthless on the back end of the deal, even though he’s got good potential to be completely immovable dead weight by then (unless you talked him into retiring).

Like I said though, that’s what I’d be saying IF he made the deal, just like I’m saying now that it’s not an awful thing that he didn’t.

But crying about how he didn’t even TRY? C’mon. There are a lot of teams who don’t have the pull in the free agent market and it feels some people are mad at Kenny simply because he did at a time when things were markedly different than they were before.

It goes all the way back to Mike Richards, who was the last huge-name UFA before Parise/Suter last year. That’s a guy who got benched by his coach in the playoffs and who people had to say wasn’t going to be bought out by his team. The jury is out on a few of the other big UFA signings, but by-and-large, the “destination locations” just happen to be the GMs willing to give those guys bigger contracts than everybody else and who by-and-large are being bitten in the ass for doing so.

The Bruins, Kings, Blackhawks, Penguins, Canucks, and Red Wings all put their cores together from when they were young and all but one of them put them together because they all went through the traditional rebuild cycle.  The Wings are trying to do it from a reload-on-the-fly position and they’re pretty much the only team that’s been able to successfully pull that off in the past (by having Datsyuk and Zetterberg ready to transition into the leadership). 

There’s a lot of GMs getting credit for being better than Holland because they started playing Oregon Trail as the banker and are on their first trip. Kenny started off as a banker too, but he’s been trekking back and forth between Williamette Valley and Independence, MO for 16 years.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 03:30 PM ET

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Hey Kenny, don’t forget to sign mike komisarek as depth d-man.

Leafs just cut him loose, why Have you not offered him a multi year deal yet?????

Come on Kenny, make some moves already!!!!

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/03/13 at 03:31 PM ET

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Allow me to be obvious and say that it’s all a matter of impression/perception.

At least to me (and a few other, on some level), it seems like for the last few years Holland is affraid to negotiate. Sure, he makes offers and kicks tires, but there’s no wiggling room.

When Holland feels a player should get only two years, he’ll offer two years, and don’t even think about trying me change his mid. I don’t know if it’s the fear of making a mistake or some kind of arrogance, that’s just the impression I have.

And when he does move a little, it’s because Colaiacovo asked for another year (even if no one else wanted him), or because friggin Samuelsson wanted a NMC.

And(!) there’s so many apologists that it gets on my nerves (some reactionaries too, of course. Maybe the price WAS too high, on the term WAS too long, or he was saving cap space for the deadline, or we had irreplaceble assets, or Kenny KNEW the cap would go down and there’d be buyouts after the lockout…

(...even if we have cap space for so long, and we’re leaking assets every summer, and so many prospects don’t pan out, and he doesn’t sign any bought out guy…)

I don’t know, as I’ve said, it all a matter of perception, and we feel that more could’ve been done to improve this team in the last few years.  The team is definitely getting worse each year, even it it just means that it was a reeeeeally great team before.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/03/13 at 03:50 PM ET

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Or, if you want to argue what I said, these are guys who won the Stanley Cup, and since then have returned to the Conference Finals or the Stanley Cup Finals since then.

Oh, I didn’t realize we were playing only by your rules of out-of-context bingo. I apologize for widening the scope of consideration to bring germane information to bear. It wont’ happen again.

I guess it is real great for GM Ray Shero to have three of his four-consecutive top-two draft picks playing in the primes of their careers. He had two straight years of first-round exits, but hey… the Penguins were able to make it one win farther than the Red Wings with those guys after having given up their first-round pick and two 2nd-rounders for Douglas Murray.

yes, Ray Shero is a guy in charge of a team that was supposed to be the model franchise dynasty thanks to being gifted two insanely gifted forwards in shouldn’t-miss draft positions and his tinkering has brought them three straight years of embarrassment in the postseason.

The Penguins have not gotten better since they won the cup in 2009. They have simply gotten different.

Dean Lombardi made the Kings better and he did it both through shrewd drafting and some clever trades, which were all helped by the six straight years the Kings missed the playoffs and allowed them to stock up on more talent.

Chiarelli’s already been discussed.

You’re right.  What an amazing thing Holland did, trading for a late second round pick that he used to choose a player who was unranked by Central Scouting.

That is a free player taken late in the second round at the cost of simply waiting six minutes longer to take the guy they were going to take anyway. That’s a good move.

No, of course he doesn’t, bu he has to pretend he does because if he was to look at the last five years of “activity” he wouldn’t have any witty quips to reply with.

Or I could look at the last 16 years of Holland’s tenure… or I could look at the last eight years since the salary cap was implemented. Why do I have to be limited to looking at only five? Because that’s the cutoff for the very minute Ken Holland became a failure to you?

The Wings have less organizational currency than they used to and yes, that is on Ken Holland and it is on Mike Babcock and on Mike Ilitch and on Jims Nill and Devellano. They are a team in transition with a second-tier shot at competing for the cup. I would like them to be better. I can pinpoint specific moves I wish Holland had done better to have them better-positioned and I can agree that there are non-specific moves that are possible that would have them in better shape than they are now. None of that has dick-all to do with the idea that Ken Holland didn’t even TRY to land Lecavalier.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 03:51 PM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 03:51 PM ET

The moves when Bowman was with the organ-i-zation were…umm….noticable. The moves since? Not so much. Co-inky-dink? I think not.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/13 at 03:57 PM ET

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yeah, like when they signed Derian Hatcher…

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 04:05 PM ET

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yeah, like when they signed Derian Hatcher…
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 04:05 PM ET

Ooooo…good one.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/13 at 04:12 PM ET

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Ooooo…good one.

Or when, it didn’t work out, they signed him AGAIN!

Wait, that was Williams. And Bertuzzi. And Samuelsson. And Quincey. And after Bowman left.

(I’m just stirring the pot)

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/03/13 at 04:16 PM ET

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The moves when Bowman was with the organ-i-zation were…umm….noticable. The moves since? Not so much. Co-inky-dink? I think not.

Bringing Osgood back to backstop the team to another Cup and 1 game away from a 2nd.


Signing Rafalski as a free agent.

Bringing Dallas Drake back in to provide grit and depth during a run to the cup.


Yeah, Holland never stepped out of Scotty’s shadow. They should have kept Nill and let Kenny Go.

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/03/13 at 04:18 PM ET

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Bringing Osgood back to backstop the team to another Cup and 1 game away from a 2nd.

I’m pretty sure that was an accident.

Thing is, no fan know what they want. Drake signs and the team wins? Great signing. Tootoo signs and the team doesn’t? Waste of space.

Or, Hasek comes back and plays well until he doesn’t? Old. Osgood comes back and it works out? Awesome!

We all want the Red Wings to succeed. We want loyalty, but hate too much loyalty. We want new blood, but not clueless kids.

Who here never played a videogame, tried to manage the Red Wings way and got screwed ‘cause there were too many pieces floating around?

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 07/03/13 at 04:27 PM ET

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“Please use the comments to demonstrate your own ignorance, unfamiliarity with empirical data and lack of respect for scientific knowledge. Be sure to create straw men and argue against things I have neither said nor implied. If you could repeat previously discredited memes or steer the conversation into irrelevant, off topic discussions, it would be appreciated. Lastly, kindly forgo all civility in your discourse . . . you are, after all, anonymous.”
                  - Barry Ritholtz

This is posted at the top of the comments section of another blog I read, and it came to mind while reading the comments today.

Posted by dougie on 07/03/13 at 04:45 PM ET

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Tick-Tock free agent market:

(What we see and hear) - Shove your hand down your pants pocket and shift your balls around. Make hand gestures and talk a big game.

(What really happens) - Pull on a old comfortable ratty pair of sweats, flop on the couch and watch Roseanne reruns on the thespian network.

Posted by NIVO from underpants gnome village on 07/03/13 at 04:48 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Lecavallier for 5 years doesn’t make sense. It just doesn’t.

Can’t wait until they add both dipietro and Thomas in goal to replace the floundering mason. Hey Vinny, your 6’4”....ever played net?????

Posted by Down River Dan on 07/03/13 at 12:54 PM ET

You’re right aboot Vinny. And the Thomas-DiPietro tandem is the best thing I have read all day.

Knowing Holmgren makes it a real possibility. tongue wink

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 07/03/13 at 04:57 PM ET

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I see a lot of people who wanted movement/improvement and they give some details and put facts that have been reported together and capgeek and blah blah..

What are the Holland lovers bring?  “You’re wrong”

What do you want this team to look like next year then?  Why do you want it to look that way?  Why do you think a Cleary, Sammy, Z line would be a good line?

I think we have the exact framework of a team that will have 4 lines, if we get some guns for the top 6, at least 1 other scorer.  Brunner didn’t seem to score again until he started playing against 3rd line competition.  For some reason I don’t think Cleary and Sammy will be as mobile or productive as a lot of 2nd lines in our conference.  I could be wrong, but at least I know why I have my opinions.  I want to know why you have yours.  Explain.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/03/13 at 06:04 PM ET

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yet for some reason, at 4m and 1 year younger signed for 4 years longer than what VL got from Philly, we have Franzen OUR TOP SCORER.  Coincidently, even on Vinny’s crash course into mediocrity, he’s still putting up numbers comprable to Franzen and that’s NOT playing with studs like Sammy and Cleary.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/03/13 at 06:07 PM ET

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I think you’re overlooking the conversation that Nathan and Mandingo had (not that I’m necessarily calling them “Holland lovers”, but hey, if we’re going to lazily set this up as an us vs. them discussion, we might as well cover the discussion that covered how not signing Vincest as though that were part of your supposed “them” in this situation.)

Why do you think a Cleary, Sammy, Z line would be a good line?

Did anybody actually say this? Is this really what somebody has to be credited with thinking if they’re ok with Lecavalier having “gotten away”? Come on, man. That’s ridiculous. It’s more than ridiculous; it’s irresponsible.

I do think Filppula is an option to re-sign and that the ridiculously bad performance he put on this season is not indicative of his output. I think Weiss is likely to be a more expensive option than Filppula for a return that’s just about as risky as the return would be on Flip. Barring both of them (because of a too-high asking price), I think fliers on a guy like Pierre-Marc Bouchard might be worthwhile.

I’d like to have Brunner back, but I’m not convinced he’s going to be ready for full-time top-six duty and I think adding a 2C might make the total cap crunch leave us out of the running for him. I’d rather have Brunner back than an overpaid 2C and then just go with a melange of ill-fitting 2C options which includes the necessity to separate Pavs & Hank when need be. I’d consider giving 5 game looks to guys like Andersson and Helm at that spot (although I honestly don’t expect either to be able to handle those duties, I’d also like to have the opportunity to be surprised). I’d also consider moving Franzen into that spot, as he’s often said he likes playing center more and that it makes him more engaged.

I don’t love those options if the Wings miss on a 2C, but I like them more than say giving Mike Ribeiro 5x5 (Although I’m an absolute no on Ribeiro because I think he’s got a shitty attitude).

I want both Tatar and Nyquist to have full-time duties and I want there to be a competition between them (and among them and Brunner if need be) to snatch a full-time top-six scoring role among them.

I also really want the NHL and NHLPA to re-open the buyout window sometime in late July so Sammy can get healthy and the Wings can compliance him. I don’t have a spot for him on my speculative Wings roster and I think the only reason he wasn’t on waivers today is because there’s some argument over whether he’s healthy enough to buy out.

I’m a no on Cleary because I don’t think he has enough in the tank to play his role for another 3 years at a level that’s worth $3M.  I’d rather have a 2nd line of Nyquist-Franzen-Miller than have Cleary on the Wings (and I don’t want a 14-93-20 2nd line, in case that’s not clear enough.)

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 07/03/13 at 07:22 PM ET

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All I have to say is I want Sammy’s job.  $3 mil for sitting around nursing a sore pectoral muscle ain’t a bad deal.  raspberry

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 07/03/13 at 07:32 PM ET

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The moves when Bowman was with the organ-i-zation were…umm….noticable. The moves since? Not so much. Co-inky-dink? I think not.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 07/03/13 at 03:57 PM ET

Good observation—you just left out the part about the salary cap.

Posted by SK77 on 07/03/13 at 08:38 PM ET

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[quoteGood observation—you just left out the part about the salary cap.]

That’s irrelevant though, since no other GMs have ever made their team better under the salary cap….....

Posted by Garth on 07/03/13 at 08:52 PM ET

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That’s irrelevant though, since no other GMs have ever made their team better under the salary cap….....

Posted by Garth on 07/03/13 at 08:52 PM ET

Weird. I was commenting on the remarks that the Wings used to make all these huge free agent signings, but don’t go balls out on every single free agent anymore.

Yet you’ve somehow managed to call my comment out as “irrelevant” by applying it to a completely different statement I wasn’t even quoting or discussing.

Posted by SK77 on 07/03/13 at 09:22 PM ET

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Tbat and Bowman left after we got our last cup, not 3 years before.  And he actually was there when we got Stuart at the deadline.

Sorry for being irresponsible J.J., I’m like James Dean, brother.

Do you see Cleary playing under Andersson, Nyquist, Brunner, Tatar, Helm, Tootoo, Miller?

I assume he’s a second line. 

At 3m and veteran status, I assume, IF Sammy’s healthy they’ll put him back in the top six like they originally wanted this season.

I also assumed they wouldn’t want to be that shallow on the line and keep Mule at center so they’d move Z since he’s got chemistry with both.

I didn’t think it was all that reckless, just some critical thinking, granted with a few educated assumptions.

I think we should be sitting better than we are at this point, given the information that was available almost immediately after the season.

Whatever happens, I’ll be watching 82 games next year and bitching about the team.

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 07/03/13 at 09:23 PM ET

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Vincent? Are we happy…?

Posted by pgoody on 07/03/13 at 11:18 PM ET

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