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Abel to Yzerman

Slip Us A 20

The redolent one said it very well this morning.  This record will be nice because we like records in Hockeytown. We like Cups and puppies and hookers, Charleston Chew and records.  We like consecutive playoff seasons, consecutive seasons as a Captain, consecutive seasons playing for one team, a whole lot of consecutivity.

But for all the records and the banners and all the accolades associated with being the best hockey franchise on earth, one thing is more important and Krupa nailed it.

“Is improving the power play a bigger goal than the NHL record for consecutive wins at home? You bet it is.”

Best article I’ve seen by Krupa since he started showing off his vocabulary to us sometime last year.  This record is nice, and it will be ours because the 8 pounder says so, but it pales compared to getting home ice, staying healthy and fixing the horrible power play. 

It’s a Live Blog bitches.  Nice, nifty little record on the line.  20 would be nice.  12 would be better.

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monkey's avatar

Well my cousin WAS Julie at the time, now he is Jules… Or Jewels.

Oh, NOW he’s a dude.  Yeah-huh.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 02/13/12 at 01:16 AM ET

WestWing's avatar

Well my cousin WAS Julie at the time, now he is Jules… Or Jewels.

Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/12/12 at 10:15 PM ET

Your family’s Jewels is a bit different eh?

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 02/13/12 at 01:23 AM ET

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Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 02/13/12 at 01:24 AM ET

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Gnite folks.

Let’s pray that we see some history in 48 hours.

LGRW!

Posted by SoDakWIngNut from Rapid City, SD on 02/13/12 at 01:28 AM ET

RWBill's avatar

Game 25, Minnesota, Dallas, where art thou?  Just dont show up Tuesday.


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Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/13/12 at 01:29 AM ET

RWBill's avatar

Oh well, time for Zombies.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/13/12 at 01:31 AM ET

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Just finished it with the magic of DVR.

A few thoughts.

Kronner owes me another beer.  Damn him and his “OHMYGOD HERE IT COMES” hits.

Pav is ...just…wonderful.

I’m suddenly not terrified of somebody NOT named James F. Howard in the Red Wing net.

This announcing crew is SLIGHTLY less annoying than the other one.

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 02/13/12 at 02:14 AM ET

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Oh well, time for Zombies.

Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/12/12 at 10:31 PM ET

Pretty cool little cameo there by Whitney Houston’s corpse, too. Good episode.

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 02/13/12 at 03:11 AM ET

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Oh and I never made it back to answer your question, Calquake, I apologise. But yes, Kindl has a lot of potential and we’ve seen so much of Ericsson with so little improvement that it’s easier to say we keep Kindl and ditch the Rig, especially when you factor in contracts and cap it. But the stats back up the claim that Kindl has been absolute shit and Ericsson not as bad as people think. They really ride the kid but his numbers are decent.

And not a bad game tonight either. I think if he can ever be the player he ought to be, he could be very good. But that requires him to be very strong, always play the body, stop making brain-dead turnovers and quit looking like a zombie and forget who to cover down low.

I just like pointing out that he’s not as bad as everyone makes it out be. Plus Kindl sucks lately (though yes, he has a lot of upside). Saw that dick in Phx get pushed off of nearly every puck he controlled down low in the corners. Has looked very much like a bitch, think maybe his first full season has him gassed.

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 02/13/12 at 03:26 AM ET

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Oh well, time for Zombies.
Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/12/12 at 10:31 PM ET

Pretty cool little cameo there by Whitney Houston’s corpse, too. Good episode.
Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 02/13/12 at 12:11 AM ET

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHA ROLMFAO OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HA SO DEMENTED HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAA YOU BASTARD HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA HAHAHAHAHHAH   OH JUST F ME YOU reTARD OM MF G!

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/13/12 at 03:28 AM ET

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Ericcssson made a very good play late in the game on a breakaway just knocking the guy right off the puck without a penalty.  Also passed the puck right to the Flyers from behind our goal once.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/13/12 at 03:35 AM ET

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Just caught uup to the live blog, 19.  Yesh, I’m drunk as a fish clelebuur….gaaaahaahah….paryting ggaaahahofdkjhalkal

Wings win! 

catshch you tomorrow.  Mabye…

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 02/13/12 at 04:13 AM ET

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Posted by Behind_Enemy_Lines from Evanston,IL on 02/13/12 at 05:07 AM ET

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shit, now that i look at it…...........

Posted by Behind_Enemy_Lines from Evanston,IL on 02/13/12 at 05:09 AM ET

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Thoughts:

* MacDonald was wholly responsible for 1 GA, and mostly for the 2nd one too when he should have not put himself out of position to swipe at a puck when it was a low percentage play.  If Joey Mac won last game for the guys, the guys won this one for him because oy…

* At the start of the LB people mentioned “No Pierre?”.  Ever since he pissed off Babcock behind the bench you’ll notice they’ve gone out of their way to not have him involved at all.  That’s not a coincidence.  We might (mercifully) not see him the rest of the season.

* Before we start praising Ericsson… he was the one who was supposed to be covering Talbot when he scored.  Yeeeaahhhh… Ericsson is still a worthless sack of sh*t and so still is any argument to the contrary.

* Man, you guys need to take it easy on Franzen already.  Of all the guys we have on the team not doing their fair share, the dude has 10 GWG now.  Give it a rest already.  Franzen has potted 22, and gets reamed for it (he also led the team with 4 SOG).  Zetterberg only got to 11 last night though, and there’s no end to the people willing to defend him.  Seriously?  Even when Franzen doesn’t score, he plays a complete game at both ends.  Z?  Can’t say the same for him, he disappears still for entire games… he has a better game tonight, but that’s one of a few recently.  At least Franzen should hit 30 Goals… Z will be lucky if he hits 20 though and that’s not ok with me.  Not at all.

*  If Rinaldo doesn’t get a Shanaban (and a long one at that), I give up and am going to fully agree with the critics that Shanahan has lost his sack and the contents therein.  There wasn’t much more WRONG he could have done on that hit.  Now compare to Kronwall’s hit.  There is no comparison.  Kronwall is not a dirty hitter, he just destroys guys cleanly.

*  It was a nice bit of justice after a hard, clean hit that the Flyers then come over to start something, but Abdelkader grabs the puck to go in on a chance, and so the Flyers are forced to go back to playing hockey because the refs refused to blow the whistle.  For once the officials got it right.  Continuing to play hockey will often discourage and break up any attempts at “retribution”.

* Giroux and Jagr both did not record a single point.  Giroux was -1.

* DET won despite being outshot 29-25.

* lolBlackhawks.  8 straight losses, and counting.  Yup, you Hawks are TOTALLY champ material right there…  wake us if and when you win one in the new year.

* DET has 23 Wins now at home.  That means DET has more wins at home than ANA (22), EDM (22), CAR (20), and CBS (16) have total on the season.

Posted by Primis on 02/13/12 at 10:26 AM ET

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* lolBlackhawks.  8 straight losses, and counting.  Yup, you Hawks are TOTALLY champ material right there…  wake us if and when you win one in the new year.

Hide yer kids, hide yer wives, hide yer husbands, cause they are losing every game up in here.

Posted by monkey from Finland on 02/13/12 at 10:37 AM ET

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Man, you guys need to take it easy on Franzen already.

Thank you for saying this.

Giroux and Jagr both did not record a single point.  Giroux was -1.

That was huge.

I’m still mostly negative on Ericsson at this point.  Yes, he’s improved.  Yes, occasionally he makes a great play.  But still way too many mistakes. 

Loved this game - especially getting to that record of consecutive home wins on national TV.

I can actually tolerate Strader/Engblom, so I do hope we don’t see Pee-Air anymore (or Icky Eddy either).

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 02/13/12 at 10:40 AM ET

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* DET has 23 Wins now at home.  That means DET has more wins at home than ANA (22), EDM (22), CAR (20), and CBS (16) have total on the season.

Posted by Primis on 02/13/12 at 07:26 AM ET

Extra special when one considers the Wings schedule was road heavy to this point.

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 02/13/12 at 11:03 AM ET

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Even when Franzen doesn’t score, he plays a complete game at both ends.  Z?  Can’t say the same for him

You are insane.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 11:56 AM ET

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Man, STL are hard on the Wings heels:

DET 38-17-2,  78 PTS,  31 ROW
STL   34-14-7,  75 PTS,  32 ROW

Thankfully, STL face an awful schedule.  Of their 27 remaining games, 17 are on the road; and STL are pedestrian on the road (10-11-3).

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/13/12 at 12:05 PM ET

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You are insane.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 08:56 AM ET

And aren’t you still trying to defend Ericsson?

Posted by Primis on 02/13/12 at 12:23 PM ET

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Oh, boy, it’s gonna be a loooooong day at A2Y. See yinz tomorrow.

Posted by dougie on 02/13/12 at 12:40 PM ET

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I keep forgetting that being out of position for one goal is enough to say that the guy is complete garbage forever.

You know that Brad Stuart has been out of position on goals more often than Ericsson?

Did you know that Nik Kronwall has more than twice as many turnovers leading directly to goals?

No, let’s instead throw out asinine things like how a forward who has spend all of two minutes on the PK this season plays a better all-around game than one of the three guys Babcock trusts regularly to be the forward on a 3-on-5 kill.

Like I said, insane.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 12:41 PM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 09:41 AM ET

YOU’RE the one that does and assigns the CSSI on WIIM, adjusted to assign blame and credit where due and appropriate.

Ericsson had a team-low -3.5 CSSI +/- going into last might, and an ACTUAL +/- of +16.  For a differential of 19.5 (which is freaking huge IMO).

That suggests that even *you* know how many GA he’s responsible for, for such a huge disparity, and that you also are fully aware of his terrible CSSI +/-.  If you didn’t agree that he was responsible for blowing so many of these opportunities, you wouldn’t be so harsh on his CSSI +/- in assigning blame to him.

The only others with a negative CSSI (just for comparison’s sake) are Brunnstrom and Smith (who have barely played at all) and Emmerton (-0.5)

In contrast, your own CSSI +/- for Stuart was a +29, and for Kronwall a +9.5, both with much smaller differentials between CSSI and Real.  Obviously you disagree with how responsibility they should shoulder for Goals Againt, seeing how their CSSI +/- is still plenty in the good column.

Your own numbers even contradict what you’re trying to say about Ericsson JJ, I’m sorry.

Posted by Primis on 02/13/12 at 01:09 PM ET

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Your own numbers even contradict what you’re trying to say about Ericsson JJ, I’m sorry.

That depends on what you think I’m trying to say.

If you think I’‘m trying to say that Ericsson is better than Stuart or Kronwall then my numbers do contradict that; what’s more is that it’s patently ridiculous to assign that claim.

If you’re trying to say my numbers indicate Jonathan Ericsson is complete garbage and has no redeeming qualities, then that’s your issue; I don’t agree with you there.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 01:27 PM ET

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I love it, I love it, I really do. It always comes back to peole bitching about Ericsson. That’s it, that’s all we do here these days. And I actually really like it. But what specifically are we bitching about?

Is it that he’s overpaid?

Is it that he’s not as good as Kindl (factoring in Kinld’s potential)?

Is it that he has peaked, and will never be a good fit in our system?

Is it that he’s out of position too often?

Or is it that he’s not “good enough” for the critics here at A2Y?

Whatever the case, when Nick Lidstrom screws up, when Stu, Kronner or Commie or Kindl screw up and it leads to a goal, it’s like instant memory loss. Then Ericsson makes one tough play and it’s like we want Brett Lebda back as our 5/6th D-man. Good f***ing grief.

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 02/13/12 at 01:48 PM ET

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If you’re trying to say my numbers indicate Jonathan Ericsson is complete garbage and has no redeeming qualities, then that’s your issue; I don’t agree with you there.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 10:27 AM ET

A differential of -19.5 in +/-indicates to me that Ericsson is an enormous liability on the ice every time he steps on it, and that his redeeming qualities are few, if any at all.  He’s the *only* everyday player in the minus CSSI.  That speaks VOLUMES.  If it looks like garbage on the ice, and smells like garbage with its play…

Franzen has a CSSI +/- of +32 and an official of +24, by the way, for a differential of +12.  He’s 2nd on the team with Screener’s Assists (behind only Homer’s magnificent behind), which means *he* is going to the front of the net.  22 G, 10 GWG.

But hey, he’s just a lazy piece of sh*t, right everyone?

You guys make me sick sometimes.

Posted by Primis on 02/13/12 at 01:51 PM ET

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Franzen has a CSSI +/- of +32 and an official of +24, by the way, for a differential of +12.  He’s 2nd on the team with Screener’s Assists (behind only Homer’s magnificent behind), which means *he* is going to the front of the net.  22 G, 10 GWG.

But hey, he’s just a lazy piece of sh*t, right everyone?

He also leads the team in overall minuses for loafing, has drawn fewer penalties than Jiri Hudler, and despite being third on the team in official plus/minus, is fifth in adjusted.

This includes being 6.5 behind Zetterberg, despite Zetterberg’s official plus/minus being 19 points lower than his. 

But remember, you wanted to say that Franzen is a better overall player than Z who gives more effort in all three zones. 

Why does one’s opinion on Franzen, Ericsson, Zetterberg or anybody on the team have to be that he’s either Gordie Howe incarnate or a useless piece of shit?  Are you a teenager?  It’s not any of us that’s making you sick; it’s the fact that you have to constantly jump to extremes when talking about things like this. You’re going to give yourself ulcers over minor differences of opinion because you’re not quite sure how to get a point across without screaming.

Jonathan Ericsson is not a worthless piece of garbage who is a liability every time he steps on the ice. He’s an improving third-pair defenseman who makes too many mistakes to be worth his contract.

Johan Franzen is not a lazy piece of shit. He’s a power forward with a great scoring touch who needs to give more consistent effort on the ice.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 02:01 PM ET

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ROLMFAO OMFG HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA HA SO DEMENTED YOU BASTARD   OH JUST F ME YOU reTARD OM MF G!

Posted by RWBill from the Land of 12 in 12. on 02/13/12 at 12:28 AM ET

Thanks buddy. I needed those laughs to help me through the mourning period of someone who abused drugs and blew all the chances she possibly could at getting better.

But like I said on Fbook, I loved her and she was amazing and beautiful. I’ll miss her face almost as much as the back of Bobby Brown’s hand will.

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 02/13/12 at 02:05 PM ET

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Johan Franzen is not a lazy piece of shit. He’s a power forward with a great scoring touch who needs to give more consistent effort on the ice.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 11:01 AM ET

Amen, brother.

I was shocked/stunned/dumbfounded by his GWG last night, parked in front of the crease.

Mule has talent and size aplenty, I wish he would use it way more often.

E-52 is just the designated whipping boy.  At times brilliant, and at others stupefying.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 02/13/12 at 02:12 PM ET

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Or is it that he’s not “good enough” for the critics here at A2Y?

Posted by Sullyosis from A hateful lair in Post Apocalyptic US (or Arizona) on 02/13/12 at 10:48 AM ET

There is a tendency amongst Wings fans - not just here - to always have a scapegoat when games don’t go perfectly. 

Frankly, I’m dumbfounded at the level of criticism of individual players recently ‘cuz for crying out loud, the Wings are leading the NHL!

Do we really expect these guys to perform flawlessly each and every game?

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 02/13/12 at 02:42 PM ET

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Frankly, I’m dumbfounded at the level of criticism of individual players recently ‘cuz for crying out loud, the Wings are leading the NHL!
Do we really expect these guys to perform flawlessly each and every game?
Posted by MsRedWinger from Michigan, but now in Florida on 02/13/12 at 11:42 AM ET

Crazy, isn’t it?  Also, Babcock has lost the team and players have tuned him out.  He must be replaced.

Remember that one?  HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Stupid stuff, isn’t it?

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with creepy Rob Lowe. on 02/13/12 at 03:26 PM ET

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If you removed everyone we have hated on this season from the roster, we would be icing Datsyuk and Abdelkader, maybe Drew Miller, and Lidstrom. Brad Stuart would be the goalie.

Kenny Holland would be behind the bench, because we would have chummed the water with the entire coaching staff.

On a more positive note, Karen Newman would still be singing the anthem.

Posted by dougie on 02/13/12 at 03:45 PM ET

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Youtube user, awood40, put up a 20-plus minute video of last’s night game for viewing.  The man remains our vid champ.

More sober now after the victory haze from last night.  Both the Wranglers win 4-3 in OT in a matinee game (who the fuch schedules this shit in the ECHL?) and then to catch the Wings winning in a playoff atmosphere at the Joe.  Couldn’t have asked for a more tolerable way to endure a sore throat from all of the yelling in these two games.

sTards on Tuesday night.  Wings need deserve a toast to a remarkable achievement.

Posted by SYF from the team that re-signed KFQ and DFC by KFH on 02/13/12 at 03:50 PM ET

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But what specifically are we bitching about?

I tend to be pretty critical about E52’s game, so I’ll break down my dislikes:
- Worst is his decision making with the puck in his own zone. It’s very poor, and easily the worst on the team among defensemen. Poorly aimed/timed outlet passes, passes into coverage or suicide passes, and a general unwillingness to skate it out of the zone when there is room and a pass isn’t available—all of which often result in turnovers.
- Second criticism is his slow thinking. When things break down defensively or he’s faced with defensive choices, he’s slow to make a decision and is often stuck in no-man’s land covering no one. I’d rather him make the wrong decision than no decision. I’m gonna lump his O-zone blue line pinches in here too as they often seem hesitant often resulting in odd-man rushes or being slow to get back in the play.
- Third is his tendency to play small. This is improving, but still could be better.
- Finally is his contract. I think he’s getting paid at least $1M more than he’s worth and the partial NTC is also undeserved. This is especially true for a bottom pair Dman. But for this season at least, that’s not a big deal.

But here’s what I do like:
- His positioning has been good this year. As long as the system on the ice is doing it’s job, he’s usually where he needs to be.
- The ways he does use his size, he’s effective. He’s good at boxing out forwards in front of the net. He’s gotten much better at forcing attackers to the outside or at least taking a poor attack route. When hes fully engaged physically, he’s good on the boards.
- His work on the PK has been very solid. I’m not sure why, but he doesn’t lock up as much on the PK as he does even strength, even during scrambles. Maybe because he’s typically only got a zone to worry about rather than an individual forward, but he’s been effective. In recovering the puck and firing it down the ice, his hard shot is an asset.
- He’s generally composed in the attacking zone. He could be more active and shoot more, but he’s not out of place and a bit better than you’d expect from a #5/6. When he does take the puck deep, his former-forward instincts kick in and serve him well.

I’m not sure his ceiling is much higher than what we see now, and that concerns me with regards to his contract. But for a bottom pair guy, gotta take the good with the bad I guess, especially as an upgrade is unlikely. I’m a big Kindl fan and liked what I’ve seen from C22, but they should not be in full time as Johnny’s replacement. Still, I wouldn’t mind if he were in the healthy scratch rotation every once in a while.


tl;dr I quote JJ

Jonathan Ericsson is not a worthless piece of garbage who is a liability every time he steps on the ice. He’s an improving third-pair defenseman who makes too many mistakes to be worth his contract.

Posted by Nate A from Detroit-ish on 02/13/12 at 04:37 PM ET

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But remember, you wanted to say that Franzen is a better overall player than Z who gives more effort in all three zones.

Because he does?

Franzen goes after the puck in the corner FAR MORE than Z.  Franzen collapses back to his own net to help FAR MORE than Z does.  Z has become a perimeter player in far too many games.  And that’s why he’s not scoring.  He’s floating, he’s watching, he’s not moving into good areas of the ice to score.  Defensively some games he won’t go into corners at all.  At one time Z would have a lot of Takeaways, but he doesn’t ever manage to get any now suddenly.

Franzen’s not scoring more not because he’s not going to the net, but because he’s juuussstt missing on too many chances and to be honest he’s started taking even more physical abuse.

Jonathan Ericsson is not a worthless piece of garbage who is a liability every time he steps on the ice. He’s an improving third-pair defenseman who makes too many mistakes to be worth his contract.

Forget the contract.  The contract irritates me, but honestly considering the cap room I’m not terribly concerned with it.

Ericsson is nearly 28 years old, JJ.  He is not an “improving” 3rd pair defenseman.  He’s played over 250 NHL games by now, not to mention another 180 or so AHL games, meaning he has had around 430 NA Pro games to get his act together as a reliable defenseman.  Instead, he continues to make the same mistakes over and over again.  He’s not “young” anymore, he’s supposed to be entering (or already in) the Prime of his career.  What do we do?  Wait another 3 seasons/200-some games until he’s 31 or 32 so he can develop into a reliable 3rd-pairing dman (which he’s not at the moment)?

At this point, you have to admit he’s pretty much a bust.  His “prime” appears to be a good AHL d-man capable of no more than spot NHL duty because he does NOT learn on a nightly basis.  He is not a young developing player, a look form game to game will show you he’s not developing at all.  Nor has he ever truly transitioned to thinking like a d-man and not like a center.  It’s great you got some NHL games out of a Mr. Irrelevant pick but….

He’s also 6’4”, 220lbs and I & some others won’t forgive him for his size until he ever learns to use it.  Ever.  Kalamazoo WIngs had a d-man 2 years ago by the name of Tom Morrow.  6’7”, 235lbs, and about as baby soft as you can possibly imagine.  And fans hated him.  Fans will always hate the bigger guy that refuses to use his body to his advantage, and sadly for Jonny he’s one of the biggest guys on the team (yet doesn’t play like it).

I’ve ragged on Lang (because he was f*cking lazy and deserved it), I’ve ragged on Hudler, I’ve decried Lilja (and I would trade Ericsson right now, straight up, for Lilja in a heartbeat, this despite Lilja’s crimes because Lilja actually has made up for them in other places).  Trust me, Ericsson as goat is easily the most-deserving goat we’ve had in a number of years.

Johan Franzen is not a lazy piece of shit. He’s a power forward with a great scoring touch who needs to give more consistent effort on the ice.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 11:01 AM ET

I still see no indication of this.  He’s goes to the corners, he does some of the dirty work, he doesn’t get credited with a ton of hits but he mucks just fine.  He scores GWG at the clip of about 2 a month.  He’s DOUBLED Zetterberg’s scoring output.  He gets 3 or 4 SOG/game.

Every other year we’d rag on Franzen because he doesn’t stay healthy and he’s streaky.  Sooo… this year he stays healthy, and he’s been less streaky (check his gamelogs)... and he still gets ragged on.  For real?

I think some of you think Franzen should be a 50 goal-scorer or something,  He’s not.  He’s a 25-30 goal-scorer that teams have to respect so they can’t just focus on the other big boys.  He’s not supposed to even carry the team’s offense like he has been.  Jesus.  So you want the guy to carry the team’s scoring load AND be a Selke candidate?  There’s only one Pavel…

If you removed everyone we have hated on this season from the roster, we would be icing Datsyuk and Abdelkader, maybe Drew Miller, and Lidstrom. Brad Stuart would be the goalie.

Posted by dougie on 02/13/12 at 12:45 PM ET

Helm?  We rag on his finishing because it’s fun, but nobody’s dumb enough to sit him.  Eaves has been blameless mostly, though hurt.  Everyone loved Connor until he got hurt.  Even when Pavel goes a couple of quiet games I haven’t seen real animosity towards his play.  Fil’s been great on the season.

Posted by Primis on 02/13/12 at 05:14 PM ET

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Helene posted an update at the Freep. Since George is out sick, I thought I’d post the highlights…

She quoted Uncle Mike “I think this has been one of the most consistent teams I’ve ever coached,” he said, “as far as just bringing an effort each and every day.”

Consistently good at home. Consistenly bad on the road, the PK and the PP. Though hopefully last night was the beginning of a turn around for the PP.

In other news, Johan Franzen didn’t practice today; fellow forward Todd Bertuzzi jokingly claimed it was because “Mule got a goal and an assist last night, so he thinks he deserves a day off.” Babcock cited a maintenance day and said Franzen will be fine to play against the Stars.

Maybe Mule is out shopping with Kate.

Helene saved the best news for last:  Goaltender Jimmy Howard (finger) faced shots for a third straight day and estimated he might be ready to return Friday.

Calling all cap geeks…Can Conk of JMac get sent down without clearing waivers?

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 02/13/12 at 06:16 PM ET

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I would link and quote Khan!, but frankly, there was nothing of any interest there. Unless you really had to know that Yak went all fanboi on Jaromir the poodle by asking for an autographed stick.

From NHL.com: Red Wings’ Streak by the Numbers

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 02/13/12 at 06:29 PM ET

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Franzen goes after the puck in the corner FAR MORE than Z.  Franzen collapses back to his own net to help FAR MORE than Z does.

Franzen goes to the offensive corner than Zetterberg does, sure.  By the same token, Jiri Hudler engages in far more offensive zone board battles than Pavel Datsyuk. That’s kind of the way the forecheck in Babcock’s system operates.

he’s not moving into good areas of the ice to score.

You mean like the middle of the ice at the top of the circles?

So Franzen is juuuuust missing chances, but Zetterberg is lazily floating into shitty areas?  They have an equal number of shots from quality areas in the last 10 games (Z has one more shot on goal, but they each have 20 shots from good areas). Franzen has two more goals and Zetterberg has three more points. As for the physical abuse? I can only really comment on vividly remembering Franzen purposefully avoiding contact with Ryan Getzlaf on Friday and losing the puck because of it. I thought it was a chance for him to catch him with the hit first and send the balding nitwit flying. But that’s not statistically relevant, since I haven’t really been tracking “times avoiding contact”. I’ll tell you outright that Zetterberg was Detroit’s best forechecking forward last night against Philadelphia though. 

Also don’t forget that Henrik Zetterberg has played 13 times more minutes on the penalty kill than Franzen and assisted on two of his four goals during this ten-game stretch (although if we’re looking for real credit on last night’s GWG, I think Pavel Datsyuk deserves more than both of them, and he was left off the scoresheet on that play).

Then there’s the issue of the CSSI adjustments you brought into it.  If Franzen is giving more effort than Z, it certainly isn’t showing. 

He’s also 6’4”, 220lbs and I & some others won’t forgive him for his size until he ever learns to use it.

How many one-man clears does he have to produce or how many times does he have to body guys like Claude Giroux and Jaromir Jagr off pucks at the boards before we have to stop hearing that he doesn’t use his size?  Do you want him laying big open-ice hits?  I don’t really. Brad Stuart has exactly one of those open-ice monster shots all season long.  Perhaps we’re running off a completely different definition of what “using his size” actually means.

this year he stays healthy, and he’s been less streaky (check his gamelogs)

First 5 games: 4 goals
Next 7 games: 1 goal
Next 5 games: 4 goals
Next 7 games: 2 goals
Next 5 games: 3 goals
Next 8 games: 0 goals
Next 2 games: 2 goals
Next 14 games: 3 goals (this is right around when people started turning on him)
Last 4 games: 3 goals

Less streaky than last year is still pretty damn streaky.

I think some of you think Franzen should be a 50 goal-scorer or something,  He’s not.  He’s a 25-30 goal-scorer that teams have to respect so they can’t just focus on the other big boys.

You split the difference pretty amazingly, because I think Franzen should be a 40-goal scorer. 25-30 is good, but I expect more than that out of the guy playing the sniper role on Datsyuk’s wing.

I’m still not sure how you can pull up CSSI stats and use them to describe Ericsson’s level of play as horrible (compared to a mythical third-pairing guy around the league to which there’s no comparison), but you can’t look at all the overall minuses piling up for Franzen to see indication that his effort level is not properly consistent.

So you want the guy to carry the team’s scoring load AND be a Selke candidate?

If you’re going to say he’s playing better in all three zones than a guy who actually has been a Selke candidate?  Yeah, that’s pretty much what I want to see to back that up. Especially if everything in the advanced stats keep indicating that Franzen has an easier job than Zetterberg. 

I don’t want to lose focus here in the Franzen vs. Zetterberg tug-of-war. I trust that we all want them to be performing at their absolute best at all times because that’s what’s best for the Red Wings. I have not been consistently happy with what I’ve felt to be Zetterberg’s effort level through stretches of the season.  All I’m saying when comparing the two is that I have been consistently happier with Zetterberg’s efforts in all three zones more than I’ve been happy about what Franzen has put out there.

As for Ericsson-for-Lilja.  I would welcome you to propose that at Broad Street Hockey. Lilja wasn’t out of the lineup last night because he was hurt. Peter Laviolette thought it more prudent to go with three rookies on defense against the Red Wings rather than chance having Lilja on the ice.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 02/13/12 at 06:31 PM ET

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The road to the NHL record book runs from Flint to Grand Rapids…

In other news, E52 is a polarising player.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 02/13/12 at 06:40 PM ET

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