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Shanahan Shafted

Oates: In
Sakic: In
Sundin: In
Bure: In

And Brendan Shanahan has been unbelievably, unfathomably left out.  Bure and Sundin, yes.  Shanny…no.  It’s so pathetic that it’s hard to even muster any anger over this one.

By my count, Shanahan has one more Cup than the other three combined? Is that right?  I’ll be adding to this post but I thought you’d want something to comment on right away.

Wondering who did the shafting? You might be surprised at a few names (I’ve slimmed the list down to the people I find to be more interesting than the rest).
Hockey Hall of Fame

Selection Committee

Pat Quinn, Co-Chair
Pat Quinn spent nine years in the NHL playing defense for the Toronto Maple Leafs, Vancouver Canucks and Atlanta Flames. After retiring as a player, he served as a coach and General Manager with the Philadelphia Flyers, Los Angeles, Vancouver Canucks and Toronto Maple Leafs. His international coaching accomplishments include victories at the 2002 Olympics, 2004 World Cup, 2008 U18 World Junior Championship and 2009 U20 World Junior Championship.

Scotty Bowman
Elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame in 1991 in the Builder Category, Scotty Bowman’s success over his 30-year NHL coaching career includes nine Stanley Cup victories, one more than the legendary Toe Blake. Bowman retired from coaching after leading the Detroit Red Wings to the Stanley Cup in 2002 and currently serves as a consultant to the team.

Brian Burke
Born in Providence, Rhode Island and raised in Edina, Minnesota Brian Burke earned his law degree at the prestigious Harvard University and began serving as an NHL player agent following graduation. He has served as the NHL’s Executive Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations, the General Manager of the Hartford Whalers, Vancouver Canucks, Anaheim Ducks as well as the President and General Manager of the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Colin Campbell
After turning pro with Vancouver of the WHA in 1973-74, Colin Campbell went on to play eleven seasons of defense in the National Hockey League. Following his retirement as a player in 1985, Colin pursued a coaching career that led him back to the NHL behind the bench as head coach of the New York Rangers for four seasons. Today, Colin Campbell is the NHL’s Senior Vice President and Director of Hockey Operations.

John Davidson
A native of Ottawa, Ontario, John Davidson played in over 300 regular season games from 1973 to 1983 in the National Hockey League with St Louis and the New York Rangers. He became a veteran in the media circuit as a hockey analyst including work with Hockey Night in Canada and the Hot Stove Lounge, ESPN, ABC and the MSG Network. Davidson is currently the President of Hockey Operations for the St. Louis Blues.

Eric Duhatschek
Duhatschek began covering the Calgary Flames in the late 1970s and currently serves as the Globe and Mail’s primary western hockey correspondent. He was presented the Elmer Ferguson Memorial Award for distinguished hockey journalism in 2001.

Mike Emrick
In 2001 Mike Emrick worked his 21st consecutive year as a play-by-play announcer in the NHL. In all he has 30-plus years experience behind the mike and is the long time voice of the New Jersey Devils. Emrick has received the national cable TV Ace Award for the best play-by-play, an Emmy in 1997 in the New York region for Devils telecasts, and in 2008, the Foster Hewitt Memorial Award. Most recently, Emrick won the 2011 Emmy Award for “Outstanding Sports Personality – Play by Play.”

Michael Farber
Following 15 years as an accomplished sports columnist for the Montreal Gazette, Micheal Farber became senior writer with Sports Illustrated in 1994 and now stands as one of the magazine’s top journalists. Farber, a New Jersey native, received the Elmer Ferguson Award for distinguished hockey writing in 2003.

Igor Larionov
In one of the most decorated careers the game of hockey has ever seen, Igor Larionov was an icon of international play before he ever joined the NHL. Twice an Olympic gold medalist and four times a World Champion, Larionov was 29 when he finally played his first National Hockey League game. He would go on to win three Stanley Cup championships with the Detroit Red Wings and was elected to the Hockey Hall of Fame in 2008.

Feel like comparing some relevant stats?  James Mirtle did.

Well.  I’m going to try and keep this somewhat sane.  No, this isn’t an anti-Wing conspiracy.  As a Wing fan I’m disgusted because Shanahan was a great Wing.  An all-time Wing.  He was the Wing who destroyed Patrick Roy on numerous occasions over a five-year span.  And that, in itself, endeared him to us like few other players have.

As an NHL player, his omission is disgusting.  He not only won 3 Cups. He was critical to each one of them.  How many team successes was Pavel Bure or Mats Sundin critical to?  Internationally? Sure.  In the NHL? Absolutely none.

None.  Shanahan has more Cup wins than Bure, Sundin and Sakic put together. He scored more goals than Sakic and won more Cups.  He also beat more ass and that, apparently, is not good.  He scored 200 more goals than Bure, 300 more than Oates, 100 more than Sundin. 

He also suspended more people than Sakic did and he also changed the league in ways that Sakic never will, or could.  Shanahan changed the game after the lockout and his style of play made him absolutely elite while he was active.

But by all means, keep him out instead of the likes of Mats Sundin.  While Shanahan was the ultimate warrior who would do anything to win a Cup, Sundin refused a trade from Toronto that would have made his precious Leafs more competitive for years to come. 

Bure played 700 games and he’s in.  Shanny played 1500 and he’s not.  Jesus.

Scotty? Igor? You got some splaining to do.  We know of the friction between Bowman and Shanahan.  Would he have held that kind of grudge? Really?  Igor…I have no clue. Maybe he fought for Shanny in there. I don’t know. 

Duhatschek, Emrick, Farber…your peers are absolutely ripping this vote.  Tearing it to shreds. Will you comment? Doubtful.

Brendan Shanahan should have suspended Shea Weber and it affected our first round series.  I’ll resent him for that, probably forever.  It tainted my opinion. But, holy shit, I’d have voted him in so far ahead of Bure, Sundin and even Oates that it’s not even funny. 

Something weird happened in that room, you guys.  Brendan Shanahan’s not elected and Mats Sundin is.  Happy Pat Quinn? We know you are.

 

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Comments

gusoline's avatar

As I commented in Paul’s post - looks like Shanny p&¨%d off more than just fans last year.

Posted by gusoline on 06/26/12 at 04:16 PM ET

HockeytownOverhaul's avatar

if that isn’t message sending…

The most prolific fighting scorer in the history of the game, statistically.  Doesn’t get in?

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/26/12 at 04:17 PM ET

monkey's avatar

I thought Shanahan, Sundin, and Sakic were all guaranteed first ballot locks.  For any one of them to miss out is shocking.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 06/26/12 at 04:21 PM ET

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HHOF voters have agendas, whatever they are. Its more criminal that Pat Burns still isn’t in the Hall. Shanny will have to wait another year.

Posted by Jeremy from Toledo, OH on 06/26/12 at 04:24 PM ET

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Hahahaha

That’s so absurd my only reaction is to laugh…  But then again, there’s so many players that deserve this and still didnt get it, that I’m not surprised by it, anymore

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 06/26/12 at 04:25 PM ET

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gusoline :

I agree 100% with you. Maybe Scotty didn’t like him so much or maybe he did not like the way he treated the RW (ex. Shea Weber’s face wash on Z anyone?) ok ok, maybe I am exaggerating!!!

Posted by gowings from MTL on 06/26/12 at 04:25 PM ET

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Its more criminal that Pat Burns still isn’t in the Hall. Shanny will have to wait another year.

Exactly

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 06/26/12 at 04:26 PM ET

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Shocking! Sacrileges! Just the beginning of how wrong this is! Paul, what was the main reason, your opinion? any idea?

Posted by rjman48 from Royal Oak on 06/26/12 at 04:26 PM ET

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*#$%@& vote ever.  Sundin should’ve waited.  And Bure, too.

Thanks Gary.Ass.

Posted by SYF from Alana Blanchard's Bikinis and Surfboards on 06/26/12 at 04:39 PM ET

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Maybe Shanny missed something from the HHOF lords in translation: Shanahan is a good and great man

Posted by MoreShoot on 06/26/12 at 04:40 PM ET

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The guy did more to single-handedly improve the game during desperate times and this is what he gets? All as payback for this year’s disciplining? Unbelievable. Just….wow.

Posted by ElCapitan on 06/26/12 at 04:44 PM ET

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Question - what did you have to do to get in? Receive how much % vote from the selection committee (and I’m not capitalizing that group name).

WTF Scotty/Igor? Seriously. Sundin over Brendan?

Posted by ElCapitan on 06/26/12 at 04:47 PM ET

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AFAIK, the induction is limited to a maximum of 4 players per year, for whatever idiotic reason
The comitee only has to decide which players get in, so, I would guess theres no real metric on the decision

Posted by Zqto from Brazil on 06/26/12 at 04:54 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Ugh…

Cannot wait for the day when it’s Lidstrom’s first shot at the HHOF and he of the seven Norris Trophies, four Cups, and NHL-record 1,550+ games played for one team gets shafted by these same idiots.  I’m sure his suspension in ‘09 after the Gary.ASSG will count against him.

Posted by SYF from Alana Blanchard's Bikinis and Surfboards on 06/26/12 at 04:55 PM ET

Nathan's avatar

HHOF voters have agendas, whatever they are. Its more criminal that Pat Burns still isn’t in the Hall. Shanny will have to wait another year.

Posted by Jeremy from Toledo, OH on 06/26/12 at 03:24 PM ET

Okay call me a total jerk, but I completely disagree. There are coaches ahead of him on the all-time games list, wins list, and perhaps more importantly due to his poor health, there are many many coaches ahead of Burns with better point percentages than him that you wouldn’t even considering putting in the HOF.

And before someone says, “But, three Jack Adams!” Tell me how Jacques Demers, Pat Quinn, and Jacques Lemaire each have 2 Adams awards, and Scotty Bowman, who is almost without exception agreed to be the best hockey coach in history, and is widely considered one of the best few coaches in the history of professional sports, also only has 2? The award is very circumstantial and tends to reward a coach for a great improvement in a club’s record—a great accomplishment, to be sure, but it isn’t easy keeping a club going at the top over a long season either. Different set of challenges. Statistically, the we know that something like improving from a 30 win team to a 40 win team isn’t two times more valuable than improving a team from a 45 win club to a 50 win one. The marginal utility of a single win is much higher at the top than it is at the bottom.

It is sad that Burns had to battle cancer twice, only to be diagnosed a third time with no chance or reason to fight it. By all accounts it seems he was a good man and it hurts to think how his family must feel.

But without sounding like a cold jackass, that isn’t what the HHOF is about, is it?

On the flip side, Brendan Shanahan is pretty clearly one of the most uniquely skilled players of his generation (combination of toughness and natural goal scoring ability). He was far better at the game that colleagues like Kevin Stevens, John Leclair, and Gary Roberts tried to play. When you are a once or twice in an era type of talent, you are truly HOF material.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/26/12 at 04:57 PM ET

WingsFanInBeanLand's avatar

Wow.  Just.  Wow.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 06/26/12 at 05:31 PM ET

SandysWingingit's avatar

What a bunch of BS!

Posted by SandysWingingit on 06/26/12 at 05:33 PM ET

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Just like we normally have to do here, keep that chip on the shoulder.

This doesn’t have rhyme or reason, but that’s why it is a HoF. 

I just wonder if a “perfect human” can get in at all.  Just wondering, that’s all.

Or maybe not.

Posted by bobbo from Romeo, Michigan on 06/26/12 at 05:38 PM ET

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Okay call me a total jerk, but I completely disagree. There are coaches ahead of him on the all-time games list, wins list, and perhaps more importantly due to his poor health, there are many many coaches ahead of Burns with better point percentages than him that you wouldn’t even considering putting in the HOF.

And before someone says, “But, three Jack Adams!” Tell me how Jacques Demers, Pat Quinn, and Jacques Lemaire each have 2 Adams awards, and Scotty Bowman, who is almost without exception agreed to be the best hockey coach in history, and is widely considered one of the best few coaches in the history of professional sports, also only has 2? The award is very circumstantial and tends to reward a coach for a great improvement in a club’s record—a great accomplishment, to be sure, but it isn’t easy keeping a club going at the top over a long season either. Different set of challenges. Statistically, the we know that something like improving from a 30 win team to a 40 win team isn’t two times more valuable than improving a team from a 45 win club to a 50 win one. The marginal utility of a single win is much higher at the top than it is at the bottom.

It is sad that Burns had to battle cancer twice, only to be diagnosed a third time with no chance or reason to fight it. By all accounts it seems he was a good man and it hurts to think how his family must feel.

But without sounding like a cold jackass, that isn’t what the HHOF is about, is it?

On the flip side, Brendan Shanahan is pretty clearly one of the most uniquely skilled players of his generation (combination of toughness and natural goal scoring ability). He was far better at the game that colleagues like Kevin Stevens, John Leclair, and Gary Roberts tried to play. When you are a once or twice in an era type of talent, you are truly HOF material.

You’re entitled to your opinion. A lot of people feel without his conditions, he would have coached much longer and probably endured more success, but you obviously can’t assume that.

I don’t disagrree that Shanahan should have got in. We’ll never know why he didn’t this time around. It’s hard to say he deserves it more than the other players, since they all deserve equal consideration and were all great players. My guess is that there’s some bias towards the teams Shanahan played on, especially whom he played with, that his stats are inflated, but I think that’s hogwash.

Posted by Jeremy from Toledo, OH on 06/26/12 at 05:48 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Seriously. Sundin over Brendan?

Posted by ElCapitan on 06/26/12 at 03:47 PM ET

No kidding, Sundin?


Also, Shanny ranks 3rd in GWG(109). Just behind Jagr(114) and Brett Hull(110).

Bullshit.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 06/26/12 at 05:58 PM ET

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Don’t know if anyone else said this, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they left Shanny out on the first ballot to try and show they weren’t showing favoritism to a high level employee of the NHL. It’s completely idiotic, but I don’t know how else you explain it.

Posted by YzermanZetterberg on 06/26/12 at 06:44 PM ET

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Posted by YzermanZetterberg on 06/26/12 at 05:44 PM ET

That crossed my mind too, but I think Colin Campbell is the only NHL big-wig.  And I doubt he holds much influence over the rest of the commitee.

Posted by WingsFaninCO on 06/26/12 at 07:10 PM ET

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My jaw just hit the floor.
Posted by monkey from lighting my nuts on fire on 06/26/12 at 03:09 PM ET

Quick, let me find something to slip in there.

Posted by RWBill from #savethelivingroom #ihateCartmanbrah on 06/26/12 at 07:27 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

The NHL leader in all-time Gordie Howe hat tricks.  Just What The *#$%@&! is going on?

Posted by RWBill from #savethelivingroom #ihateCartmanbrah on 06/26/12 at 07:30 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

Shanahan is the only player in NHL history to score more than 600 goals and earn more than 2,000 penalty minutes. Bitches.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 06/26/12 at 08:08 PM ET

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Unbelievable.

The NHL HHOF honestly took 3 career long playoff losers over a guy with 3 SCs?

A career long playoff loser like Cam Neely, who also played in an easier era with less commitment to team defense and less well-conditioned players versus the ultimate NHL power forward who played most of his career in the “dead puck” era?

What a joke.

Posted by thethirdcoast from Algiers, DZ on 06/26/12 at 08:27 PM ET

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Ugh, it’s been a long week.

I meant to start my last post with,

“A career-long playoff loser like Cam Neely is in,....”

Posted by thethirdcoast from Algiers, DZ on 06/26/12 at 08:30 PM ET

monkey's avatar

All as payback for this year’s disciplining?

If this payback, isn’t the Punch-up in Piestany just as likely as anything he has done in his current job?

Actually, since it’s the Hockey Hall of Fame, and his eligibility stems from his time as a player, it’s far more likely.

Still, I find both hard to believe.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 06/26/12 at 09:31 PM ET

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On second thought- the Punch-up in Piestany.  I like it.  It’s a black mark on his playing career.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 06/26/12 at 09:39 PM ET

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Don’t know if anyone else said this, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they left Shanny out on the first ballot to try and show they weren’t showing favoritism to a high level employee of the NHL. It’s completely idiotic, but I don’t know how else you explain it.

I thought this, or possibly, he asked not be selected right now. 

He has had a lot of bad publicity lately.  Almost every mention of him in the press about the possible inductees includes a comment about his role as disciplinarian and the controversy surrounding this year’s playoffs.

It wouldn’t surprise me if he wants to wait until this dies down a bit, or until he’s out of his controversial high profile role at the league office.

Posted by jwad on 06/26/12 at 10:36 PM ET

Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

From Mirtle’s reader’s comments….....

“Will the HoF send Shanahan one of those videos explaining why he didn’t get in?”

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 06/26/12 at 10:49 PM ET

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Shannsbanned is overrated

Posted by Billy on 06/27/12 at 12:49 AM ET

Primis's avatar

Shanahan’s rejection doesn’t anger me as much as Sundin’s inclusion.  If there’s a more perfect poster child for the Loser Leafs, I can’t think of it.

Posted by Primis on 06/27/12 at 01:20 AM ET

DrewBehr's avatar

Relax, he’ll get in next year. Hopefully, by then he’ll be unemployed and in need of something to cheer him up.

Posted by DrewBehr from The Mitten on 06/27/12 at 01:59 AM ET

Nathan's avatar

Here’s perhaps a more likely, less emotional explanation.

The last ten years have seen so many great, HOF-caliber players retire, that there have been a lot of guys passed over—guys like Oates and Bure, along with other guys like Andreychuk. So perhaps this was more of a debate among the voters about how much longer can we leave this guy out, or that guy out, than an argument about Shanahan’s credentials. Because Shanahan will obviously get in.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 06/27/12 at 10:06 AM ET

monkey's avatar

They’re gonna KILL that POOR WOMAN!

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 06/27/12 at 10:45 AM ET

pgoody's avatar

Dont suspend Weber and you get into the hall of fame… someone didnt hold up their end of the bargain…

Posted by pgoody on 06/28/12 at 02:35 PM ET

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It’s not Sundin getting in that is weird, it’s Bure. Seriously, Bure?

Posted by Davies from NS on 06/29/12 at 07:27 PM ET

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