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Probably The Most Important Statement From Steve Yzerman Today

“If we sign a forward or another defenseman it does not box out any of our young players. It gives us protection if they’re not ready to go in the fall.”

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“We still are in a position where those guys are competing and if they’re ready to play, they’re going to force somebody out and we’ll deal with it at that time,” Yzerman said.

Same philosophy, different GM.

If you expected anything different under this regime, I can see why you’d be upset.

Posted by ilovehomers on 07/01/19 at 06:52 PM ET

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I just don’t see how you look at a roster that has Nielsen, Helm, Abdelkader, Glendening and De La Rose with a pipeline that includes Rasmussen, Ehn and Turgeon and decide that what you really need to do is sign a bottom-six centre.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 07/01/19 at 07:05 PM ET

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Yep, signing Filppula makes zero sense no matter how SY spins it
If Nielsen is traded, we still can do without Filppula. But there is like 1% chance somebody takes Nielsen contract. Maybe Islanders to replace Filppula?

Posted by VPalmer on 07/01/19 at 07:25 PM ET

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Oh okay yeah sure.

I was planning for another year of suck…but had figured I’d at least watch the kids learning along the way.  Instead I get to watch Fil skate to the dot and spin around. 

On the bright side, maybe we’ll get an inner-team fight between Mantha and that new dman and go on to win the Cup like STL.

Posted by TreKronor on 07/01/19 at 07:31 PM ET

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“We still are in a position where those guys are competing and if they’re ready to play, they’re going to force somebody out and we’ll deal with it at that time,” Yzerman said

If this is true, which we’ll have to wait and see, it will be a huge departure in word and deed from the last “regime”

However, I’ll believe it when I see it.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 07/01/19 at 07:37 PM ET

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Maybe the plan is not to sign any players who can really improve the team to make sure we get a top 5 pick.
The last month of the season clearly showed that if we play the best players (no Abby, no E, etc), we are above 500 team. Need to play the vets to get a top 5 pick.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/01/19 at 07:37 PM ET

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“We still are in a position where those guys are competing and if they’re ready to play, they’re going to force somebody out and we’ll deal with it at that time,” Yzerman said”.

Hootini, where do you see departure? This is pretty much verbatim what KH has been saying every summer. KH actually went further last summer saying he does not believe in tie goes to the veteran concept anymore.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/01/19 at 07:47 PM ET

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Yzerman deserves the benefit of the doubt.  Look at his record in Tampa Bay where he cast aside guys like St Louis and Lecalivier which were franchise staples at the time.  Unlike Ken Holland who wanted to protect his meaningless playoff streak, Yzerman has a plan.  I can guarantee there are no sacred cows anymore and if he needs to make moves to improve the team I have no doubt he will.

Posted by bababooey on 07/01/19 at 07:53 PM ET

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——-Unlike Ken Holland who wanted to protect his meaningless playoff streak,
——I am sure Ilitch had a lot to do with it too, probably more than KH

Posted by VPalmer on 07/01/19 at 07:57 PM ET

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And it sounds to me like he’s done making deals for the summer, Boss.  I think we got a better player in Nemeth and letting go of Witter so there’s less time for $2.5 million to be sitting in the press box.  I think Balls Hill is going to use Nemeth in a lot of situations that he couldn’t use Witter.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 07/01/19 at 08:10 PM ET

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I’m not yet concerned. Yeah, I wouldn’t have made the Nemeth or Filppula signings, but I don’t want to be too quick to judge. While yes, we learned that Holland said things exactly like this, and the vets almost always won out, Yzerman is his own person and I have no reason to believe he is actually going to DO the same things Holland did.

I will be EXTREMELY concerned if Hronek, Cholowski, Zadina, Svechnikov, etc… all play better than our least favorite vets and still don’t make the team. But we aren’t there yet. Not even close.

I agree with the philosophy that the kids need to earn a spot. If they aren’t good enough to beat the Abbys and Ericssons, then they can stay in GR where they belong. If they can’t beat out these players, they aren’t the long term solution anyways.

It’s time to chill and let the roster play out. If it’s clear this talk is cheap, then I’m again boarding the train to insanity, like I did the last 10 years.

Posted by petesrw on 07/01/19 at 08:19 PM ET

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In other news,

Union Dutchman/ @DetroitRedWings prospect Jack Adams (@J_Danglefest2) fully tore his ACL and MCL on the last day of development camp after a knee on knee hit. He told me Surgery is in a month. Full recovery expected..

Bucci Mane tweet

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/01/19 at 08:21 PM ET

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September 15, 2022 is the end of the current CBA and it’s expected that the Seattle group will start play for the 2021-2022 season.  Unless someone says otherwise, Wings can only protect eight players in the expansion draft.  Those three free agent signings won’t hurt the Wings if they’re taken in that draft.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 07/01/19 at 08:34 PM ET

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John Niyo of the Detroit News with his take on today.

So more than anything, there’s a sense and sensibility at work here with the Red Wings, who made three deals Monday but none that the GM — or anyone else, for that matter — would categorize as “high-profile.” Or risky, it should be noted….

“There’s very good players that are out there,” the Wings’ GM said. “The reality is if you want to get those guys on July 1, you gotta give them term and you gotta give ’em a lot of money. That’s just the way it goes. I don’t know if it’s the right way to go or the wrong way. We’ve all done it.”

But he’s not ready to do it again in Detroit.

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 07/01/19 at 09:10 PM ET

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I thought things were going to be different under Yzerman? Maybe Fil is going to be Stevie’s Cleary.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 07/01/19 at 09:14 PM ET

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I will be EXTREMELY concerned if Hronek, Cholowski, Zadina, Svechnikov, etc… all play better than our least favorite vets and still don’t make the team. But we aren’t there yet. Not even close.

It seems strange, but the Fil signing puts AA back on the Wing. The defense man signing looks like a CYA for potential injury, plus adds some toughness. smile

Posted by bigfrog on 07/01/19 at 09:52 PM ET

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What a bunch of chicken little nonsense on here today once again. I can see it from some of.the usual suspects but I am mildly shocked by some of the others.
Do you realize it’s been 9. Weeks since yzerman has been on the job? How many of you feel comfortable in a new job in two months? Roast the guy midseason or the end of the season but now? WOW. Drama lovers please apply.

Read what yzerman says here:
Yzerman said. “Being new to the organization, I wanted to proceed somewhat slowly and kind of get to know what we have within the organization. I think I have a good handle on the NHL team, but the kids, the prospects we have coming, the players we have in Grand Rapids, I want to balance the flexibility of providing opportunity for our young players, but also try to help the Detroit Red Wings immediately as much as possible.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 07/01/19 at 10:16 PM ET

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These signings don’t bother me.  All 2 years and we won’t be contending in that time.
Hope for a top 5 pick next draft.
AA is moving back to wing, so signing flip isn’t the worst idea. He’s defensively responsible and can chip in some goals.  Signing Nemeth allowed Witter to be expendable.  No loss.
You can’t expect Kronner, big E, and Daley to all stay healthy at their ages and past injury problems.  If Zadina and Taro make the wings, having some defensive minded players to play with them wouldn’t be a bad thing.  Allow Zadina to play offense and let our defense actually play defense.
Still with the Yzerplan.

Posted by Matt_in_MI on 07/01/19 at 11:23 PM ET

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Remember also that there will be an expansion draft, so protecting your younger players at the expense of vets is useful while you also assess their growth.  I was disappointed Yzerman didn’t make any trades but I’m still with him 100 percent.  Unlike KH, Yzerman has shown he can make the tough moves and hard decisions that turn out, more times than not, to be correct and gutsy.  I take him at his word that he needs to access the state of the franchise and system while icing a team and to do that you need short term contracts that won’t tie your hands.  I can guarantee that if vets become expendable or redundant he will make the correct move, just look at his track record.

Posted by bababooey on 07/01/19 at 11:36 PM ET

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Personally, I think it’s ridiculously bonkers on everyone involved signing those ginormous contracts when the CBA will expire in two years from now.  If the CBA negotiations in the past are any kind of history (and since we have very good memories of the Proskauer Rose-sponsored lockouts), the hard salary cap could go down.  And that expansion group could not have been in a more fortunate situation if the current cap of $81.5 million drops to something like $70-72 million and the cap floor is probably around $60 million or so.

Just my speculation.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 07/01/19 at 11:50 PM ET

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Chew on this: are you happy with the spots left open for the kids?  If we are to assume the usual suspects come back around:

Defense

Green
Daley
Bowey
DDK
Ericsson
Nemeth

Kronwall, Cholo, Hronek, Kaski, Hicketts

Posted by ilovehomers on 07/02/19 at 01:02 AM ET

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Forwards:

Mantha-Larkin-Bert
XXXXX-Nielsen-AA
XXXXX-Fil-DLR
Abby-Helm-Glenny

Rasmussen, svechnikov, Hirose, Kuffner, Veleno, Zadina, Pope, ehn, turgeon puempel

Posted by ilovehomers on 07/02/19 at 01:12 AM ET

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These signings don’t bother me.  All 2 years and we won’t be contending in that time.
Hope for a top 5 pick next draft.
AA is moving back to wing, so signing flip isn’t the worst idea. He’s defensively responsible and can chip in some goals.  Signing Nemeth allowed Witter to be expendable.  No loss.
You can’t expect Kronner, big E, and Daley to all stay healthy at their ages and past injury problems.  If Zadina and Taro make the wings, having some defensive minded players to play with them wouldn’t be a bad thing.  Allow Zadina to play offense and let our defense actually play defense.
Still with the Yzerplan.

Posted by Matt_in_MI on 07/01/19 at 11:23 PM ET

+1

Anyone who is upset at a team signing a 3rd line center to a 2 year x 3M per deal on a rebuilding hockey club with plenty of cap space needs to take a 2nd look at the analytics of Filppula vs Nielsen.

and I’d add that Filppula will be able to help teach these players how to play a 200 foot game and win the faceoffs so they don’t have to play defense all the time.

 

Posted by d ca on 07/02/19 at 01:31 AM ET

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What a bunch of chicken little nonsense on here today once again. I can see it from some of.the usual suspects but I am mildly shocked by some of the others.
Do you realize it’s been 9. Weeks since yzerman has been on the job? How many of you feel comfortable in a new job in two months? Roast the guy midseason or the end of the season but now? WOW. Drama lovers please apply.

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 07/01/19 at 10:16 PM ET

I would say that pretty much covers it, Dawg. Also, IWOCPO’s post yesterday. Jesus, his ass wasn’t in the big chair a quick minute before he was taking heat from the armchair GM’s and the resident smartass on this blog. WT actual F???

 

Posted by dougie on 07/02/19 at 07:32 AM ET

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” I want to balance the flexibility of providing opportunity for our young players, but also try to help the Detroit Red Wings immediately as much as possible.”

Of course, he accomplished neither.  He put roadblocks (that will then be difficult to remove later) in for the kids, and he then added guys that don’t improve or help the roster one single bit.  Can’t imagine Fil will have much trade value at the deadline even.

It’s great for Yzerman to say “we’ll deal with it at that time” if kids push vets out, but that is then probably going to involve buyouts, which DET needs to avoid at all costs in this process, because the vets being pushed out are not going to have much value and DET can’t hamstring themselves with the cap for year more down the road.

Fans are right to be suspicious and a little disappointed so far.

Let me put this another way:  DET could have sucked just fine without signing Fil and a depth d-man, even if they still didn;t want to play the kids much.

Posted by Primis on 07/02/19 at 08:47 AM ET

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He put roadblocks (that will then be difficult to remove later) in for the kids

I think this is a little over dramatic. They’re on 2 year low cost deals in a year where there are several questions about who will be available while the team has a decent cap cushion. As others have mentioned, there’s basically a 0% chance that Green, Daly and Ericsson stay healthy and play full seasons (and hopefully kronwall doesn’t come back unless it’s in a coaching role).

For the F’s there are Rasmussen, svechnikov, Hirose, Kuffner, Veleno, Zadina, Pope, ehn, turgeon puempel competing for two spots (as it stands now). General consensus is that Ras, svech and Veleno will need time in GR before being regulars. So Hirose/Kuffner, Zadina and pick your third could still be in the lineup this fall.

I know we’ve been bit by the “we’re going to give the kids a shot” BS before, but i’m willing to wait and see how this plays out. It’s alright to have concerns about how this roster is being put together, but just pump the brakes, it’s July 2nd.

Posted by MZ2215 on 07/02/19 at 09:32 AM ET

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