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Buttman is supposed to hold a press conference on at 4:30—-not sure I can watch as viewing his weaselness might give me urges to throw my cell phone. For those that do expect the Wings to get screwed from the #1 or at lowest #2 proposal that was floated.

Posted by d ca on 05/26/20 at 03:49 PM ET

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For those that do expect the Wings to get screwed from the #1 or at lowest #2 proposal that was floated.

So, the league *not* altering their lottery is them screwing the Wings?

Good to know.

Posted by BaromirBragr on 05/26/20 at 03:53 PM ET

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So, the league *not* altering their lottery is them screwing the Wings?
Good to know.
Posted by BaromirBragr on 05/26/20 at 03:53 PM ET

If the league didn’t alter it’s lottery than there is a chance the draft winner could also win the Stanley Cup. So, yes the league is most likely going to change their normal lottery—just so you know.

Beyond that, if I change the odds from 57% chance for #1 back to 18.5% plus going from a guaranteed No. 1 or No. 2 overall to any of the top 4: yes, I am screwing over that team. Just like how the rest of the league made the counter-argument when the proposal was sent out in a memo.

Posted by d ca on 05/26/20 at 04:15 PM ET

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Beyond that, if I change the odds from 57% chance for #1 back to 18.5% plus going from a guaranteed No. 1 or No. 2 overall to any of the top 4

If the rules of the lottery don’t change then you’re NOT CHANGING THE ODDS.

This *can’t* be difficult to understand. It simply cannot.

yes, I am screwing over that team.

So again, you’re screwing a team by NOT changing the odds to give them a better chance than they would’ve had if there was no stoppage?

That’s two letters: B and S.

Posted by BaromirBragr on 05/26/20 at 04:38 PM ET

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This *can’t* be difficult to understand. It simply cannot.

It isn’t.

Wings fans do this all the time. They moan about being cheated when in fact what they REALY want is for the league to somehow bend over backwards and give them an ADVANTAGE.

If the rules of the lottery don’t change then you’re NOT CHANGING THE ODDS.

Ha. Literally. In a world where objective reality ceases to exist for tens of millions of people though…

Part of me kind of hopes that Ottawa gets the top 2 picks. I mean, not really, but it’s entertaining to watch people scramble in distress over trivial things. Which is everything.

Posted by godblender on 05/26/20 at 05:35 PM ET

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I think it’s more the knowledge that this team really stands alone in
not having a top pick in a really, really long time (sure some of that was
trading what would have been later 1st round picks a number of years).

And then moving down from where we finished a few times in a row
(that’s statistics for you).

And then seeing how bad this team was this past season
compared to even other bad teams and acknowledging how
badly this roster needs a superstar.

It’s not objective at all. Maybe more like: hey, if you’re going to change the rules around, here’s a team that hasn’t caught a break - and it’s not like we pulled a blatant tank trying to maximize our chances - the team was just bad even with some modest moves to improve the depth with guys like Nemeth and Fabbri.

Posted by lefty.30 on 05/26/20 at 07:19 PM ET

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Posted by BaromirBragr on 05/26/20 at 04:38 PM ET
Posted by godblender on 05/26/20 at 05:35 PM ET

Wings fans have been constantly screwed over by the league: Ever think they are just expecting it to balance out some time (the point lefty30 made).

For Wings fans having an Eastern time zone team in the Western Conference caused issues with traveling to see games (in terms of costs and multiple days required) and the vice versa of not being able to sell tickets to rival fans that could drive-in to JLA, not being able to watch playoff games that ended around 2am on weekdays along with 10:35pm start times, pulling it away from it’s traditional rival at the time in Toronto, constantly shifting games from night to day games so Fox could have them on at noon.

All of that was done for the league as the Wings were able to draw ratings when facing new non-traditional markets with little to no established fan bases.

Then I could do a whole segment on the salary cap and lockout vs ticket price that Buttman guaranteed would go down, and don’t even get me started on moving games from over-the-air channels (CBC and WKBD to PASS then FSD),...etc, etc….yeah Wings fans just imagined the whole thing right?

Fans (short for fanatics by the way) tend to get worked up when rules change that disproportionally affect their team vs others in similar if not the same circumstances differently.

The NHL has constantly changed the rules of the draft. It became a TV event in 1984. Same year NJD and Pitts were tanking for Mario Lemieux—read about how ridiculous they were tanking if you don’t know. Yet, it wasn’t until 11 years later that a lottery was used to discourage the practice—yet after another generational superstar (Lindros) had the same rules when a Canadian team was destined to be a front-runner for his services. Then a couple years later it was suddenly necessary to prevent tanking. Hmm, think it had anything with trying to divert attention from the lockout that same year? That lottery discouraged tanking but still protected bad teams by limiting movement to a max of 4 place upward. Then in 2005 the NHL decided to throw out the playbook and give everyone the same equal ping pong ball—again another deflection from a lockout. Then the draft was changed again to drum up interest by getting rid of the 4 spot movement: you guessed it—after another lockout in 12-13. Then another generational player came along in McDavid and you guessed it—the NHL changed the weighting of the draft by pulling from the worst 4.

Which leads to

The rules changed yet again, the odds were left the same. Yet, the Wings got screwed because a team like Edmonton with the 4th best record in the conference at the time of the break has a chance to pick #1 overall.  When previous seasons were not played in full did the NHL allow more good teams the opportunity to get that pick then? Nope.

Why did they do that this year? Because it will limit the criticism the league receives if a good team gets bounced by a team that has no business being in the playoffs.

It is yet another one of the ways the league ignores their traditional customers in the pursuit of expanding revenues—and sooner or later it will catch up with them. The new stadium is even designed this way…the game itself isn’t the draw…it’s the arena experience and it’s simply designed to capture the fan’s dollars…just like how the draft is not about enhancing a bad team to become more competitive….it’s about revenue from TV partners and prime time ratings.

I just choose to say enough when good Stanley Cup playoff teams are involved.
For you it might take changing the format to the Cup winner getting the #1 pick….then again maybe not.

So yeah, it’s not just this one little thing of releasing a memo that benefits the Wings then pulling it back. It’s simply the straw the broke the camel’s back.

Posted by d ca on 05/28/20 at 01:10 AM ET

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