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Marc Staal Headed To Detroit?

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NYR release is below,

NEW YORK, September 26, 2020 – The New York Rangers announced today that the team has traded Marc Staal and a second-round pick in the 2021 NHL Entry Draft to the Detroit Red Wings in exchange for future considerations.

          “Marc Staal has been an exemplary hockey player, teammate, and person from the moment he joined the New York Rangers organization,” Rangers President and Alternate Governor John Davidson said. “A consummate professional, Marc’s perseverance and dedication to the game made him such an integral part of our organization. Marc, his wife Lindsay, and his children Anna, Emily, and Jack will always be a part of the Rangers family, and we wish them all the best going forward.”

“I would like to thank Marc for everything he has given to the New York Rangers during his 13 seasons with the team,” Rangers General Manager Jeff Gorton said. “The success we had throughout Marc’s tenure, including a trip to the Stanley Cup Final, would not have been possible without his tireless efforts on and off the ice. The respect we have for Marc is immeasurable, and we wish him and his family all the best.”

          Staal skated in 892 career games with the Rangers over 13 seasons (2007-08 – 2019-20), registering 43 goals and 145 assists for 188 points, along with a plus-46 rating and 432 penalty minutes. He ranks sixth on the franchise’s all-time games played list, trailing only Harry Howell (1,160), Brian Leetch (1,129), Rod Gilbert (1,065), Ron Greschner (981), and Walt Tkaczuk (945). Staal played in 471 games which the Rangers won throughout his tenure, which is the third-most for any player in franchise history; the only players who appeared in more games which the Rangers won are Leetch (515) and Gilbert (487). Staal appeared in a game in three different decades with the Rangers (2000’s, 2010’s, 2020’s), and he is one of seven players in franchise history who have appeared in a game with the Rangers in three different decades, along with Frank Boucher (1920’s, 1930’s, 1940’s), Tkaczuk (1960’s, 1970’s, 1980’s), Greschner (1970’s, 1980’s, 1990’s), Leetch (1980’s, 1990’s, 2000’s), Mike Richter (1980’s, 1990’s, 2000’s), and Henrik Lundqvist (2000’s, 2010’s, and 2020’s).

During Staal’s tenure with the Rangers, the team advanced to the Stanley Cup Final in 2013-14, advanced to the Eastern Conference Final three times in a four-year span (2011-12, 2013-14, 2014-15), and won 10 different playoff series. In addition, he helped the Rangers finish in first place in their division twice during the regular season (Atlantic Division – 2011-12; Metropolitan Division – 2014-15) and finish with the best record in the NHL during the regular season in 2014-15, as the Blueshirts established single-season franchise records with 53 wins and 113 points. He helped the Rangers advance to the postseason 10 times in his 13 seasons, and he is one of only 10 players who have appeared in a postseason game in 10 or more years with the Rangers in franchise history (along with Ron Greschner, Henrik Lundqvist, Frank Boucher, Rod Gilbert, Dan Girardi, Ott Heller, Ching Johnson, Murray Murdoch, and Walt Tkaczuk).

          Staal served as one of the Rangers’ alternate captains for 10 seasons (2010-11 – 2019-20). Since the Rangers/NHL began to have players wear an ‘A’ on their jersey as an alternate captain during the 1985-86 season (after not doing so for approximately a decade), he was one of only three players who have either worn a ‘C’ or an ‘A’ as captain or an alternate captain with the Rangers for 10 or more seasons. The only other two Rangers who have done so over the span are Brian Leetch (13 seasons – alternate captain from 1991-92 – 1996-97; 2000-01 – 2003-04, and captain from 1997-98 – 1999-00) and Mark Messier (10 seasons – captain from 1991-92 – 1996-97; 2000-01 – 2003-04).

The 6-4, 209-pounder was credited with 1,308 hits and 1,162 blocked shots over his 13 seasons with the Blueshirts. Since the NHL began to track real-time stats at the start of the 1997-98 season, Staal’s 1,162 blocked shots are the second-most by a Ranger (trailing only Dan Girardi), and his 1,308 hits are the third-most by a Ranger over the span (trailing only Girardi and Ryan Callahan). Staal also logged 18,394:47 of ice time with the Rangers, which is the most by any Blueshirts skater since the league began to track ice time in 1997-98. He averaged 20:37 of ice time per game with the Rangers, as he averaged more than 20:00 of ice time per game in six of his 13 seasons, as well as more than 19:00 of ice time per game in 10 of those seasons. Staal also posted a plus/minus rating of even or better in nine of his 13 seasons with the Blueshirts.

          Staal skated in 107 career playoff games with the Rangers, registering seven goals and 13 assists for 20 points, along with 42 penalty minutes. He is one of only three players (and one of only two skaters) who have appeared in at least 100 career playoff games with the Blueshirts in franchise history (along with Henrik Lundqvist and Dan Girardi). Staal became the fifth defenseman in franchise history to register a playoff overtime goal when he recorded the game-winning goal at 1:35 of overtime in Game 5 of the Eastern Conference Semifinals vs. Washington in 2012. He also recorded the first goal of the game in the Blueshirts’ Game 7 win against Ottawa in the Eastern Conference Quarterfinals in 2012.

          Staal earned several team awards and received several team and league recognitions throughout his time with the Rangers. He represented the Rangers at the 2011 NHL All-Star Game, and he established career-highs in points (29), assists (22), and average ice time (25:44) during the 2010-11 season. Staal was twice selected as the Rangers’ nominee for the Bill Masterton Trophy (2012-13 and 2014-15), which is awarded annually to the NHL player who “best exemplifies the qualities of perseverance, sportsmanship, and dedication to hockey.” He was named the winner of the John Halligan Good Guy Award for cooperation with the media in 2013-14 and received the Lars-Erik Sjoberg Award as the Rangers’ Best Rookie in Training Camp in 2007.

The Thunder Bay, Ontario native was originally selected by the Rangers in the first round, 12th overall, of the 2005 NHL Entry Draft.

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Paul's avatar

Staal’s page at NHL.com.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/26/20 at 07:07 PM ET

TreKronor's avatar

Play the kidzzzz

Posted by TreKronor on 09/26/20 at 07:21 PM ET

ilovehomers's avatar

This is a job well done by Stevie. An extra 2nd for a 33 yr old D that we do need that can be flipped at the deadline.

Posted by ilovehomers on 09/26/20 at 07:30 PM ET

Down River Dan's avatar

Appears Stevie has gained access to the Illitch credit card.

Wings clearly need defense help, but this looks time like Stevie is using up some of that cap space the Wings have….They might be able to flip him at the trade deadline….. Whenever that might be ????

Posted by Down River Dan on 09/26/20 at 07:39 PM ET

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Isn’t there that unknown “For Future considerations” to NYR , I think

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 09/26/20 at 07:54 PM ET


Now that they have three 2nd round picks this year AND next year, hopefully they try to package some of them to get a second 1st round pick to make a run at Askarov.

Posted by MikeO on 09/26/20 at 07:56 PM ET


Play the kidzzzz

Posted by TreKronor on 09/26/20 at 07:21 PM ET

There’s only 4 potential ‘kidz’ that can play. Seider / Cholowski / Hronek / Hicketts.

Current D-man are Staal, Dekeyser, Nemeth, Beiga. We get a draft pick and potentially another one if we flip Staal at the deadline. I think we are more than fine and the kidz will still get to play. Injuries included.

Posted by Probie4Prez on 09/26/20 at 07:59 PM ET

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Khan tweet,

Yzerman confirms on media call that veteran D-men Jonathan Ericsson and Trevor Daley won’t return



Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/26/20 at 08:01 PM ET

Down River Dan's avatar

Don’t forget Gustov Lindstrom who didn’t look out of place on the back end in limited time right before the world imploded.

Posted by Down River Dan on 09/26/20 at 08:06 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Yzerman also told a media member Staal’s no trade wasn’t in play with this transaction but would not elaborate.

Geez, now I am wondering if there is another move involving Staal, perhaps in the next few weeks.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/26/20 at 08:06 PM ET

Alan's avatar

That’s a nice deal there. Futures for a solid veteran D. Even better news is that Errorsen won’t be returning. With so few kids that are ready to play right now, we’ve gotta ice a team that can at least try to hold their own.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 09/26/20 at 08:07 PM ET

Down River Dan's avatar

Can’t believe Staal wants to play for a team like the wings to end his career.

Toronto needs help on the blue line….Maybe Stevie eats the majority of Staal’s contract and moves him to the leafs for picks????

Posted by Down River Dan on 09/26/20 at 08:10 PM ET

Paul's avatar

Max Bultman tweet,

I asked Steve Yzerman if he had any appetite to do more deals like this, using his cap space to acquire picks, this offseason. Here’s his answer:

it’s a screenshot, click to read it.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/26/20 at 08:19 PM ET

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/26/20 at 08:19 PM ET

Just came here from that. Juicy!

Posted by ilovehomers on 09/26/20 at 08:24 PM ET

Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit's avatar

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/26/20 at 08:19 PM ET

Keeping the faith in the Yzerplan.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 09/26/20 at 08:34 PM ET

d ca's avatar

soon-to-be 34 yr old 18 min/gm serviceable 3rd pair LD. Pretty much wipes any notion the team will acquire Krug now though. On the final year of his contract AAV is 5.75M but his actual salary is only 3.2M (his signing bonus was already paid by the Rangers).

1st: DeKeyser, Hronek
2nd: Nemeth, Seider
3rd: Staal , Biega
scratch: Cholowski

Although, he seems to be getting ripped by most Rangers beat writers:

The main criticism of Staal is that the puck is a grenade on his stick. That’s been the case since his eye injury. Over the past few years, as the league has evolved, Staal’s lack of speed has been exploited as well.

Some of the defensive kids (McIsaac, Lindstrom, Johansson) stay overseas now (minus Hronek & Seider)

Future considerations is probably either a pick or a certain prospect—could be cash. Wings get to choose.

Come trade deadline you retain 50% and send him to a contender of his choice for a low 3rd/ high 4th. That’s only around 1.6M in actual salary expenditure so I don’t know any Ilitch checkbook has been breached…

Meanwhile he sets an example for Cholowski and Sieder.

Posted by d ca on 09/26/20 at 08:36 PM ET

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Posted by d ca on 09/26/20 at 08:36 PM ET

Staal’s play has fallen off, but can he be any worse than ericsson or bowey? Lol

Posted by ilovehomers on 09/26/20 at 08:44 PM ET


It’s in these extra 2-3 round picks (especially given
the track record in Tampa) where hopefully we land
that unexpected impact player. Or have the means to move up
if a player they love is within reach.

Whatever Rangers fans think of an older, slower Staal,
we needed another veteran left defenseman.
It’s only one season left on the contract, so with the flat cap expected
to continue we can do this again next offseason! (Not to mention the cap space we still have to take on another player whose salary is really weighing down a desperate team.

I like this approach: Gagner is cheap and one season of helping fill in a big hole
without making a bloated UFA signing. Staal is only one season, fills a need and gets us back a pretty good pick. Maybe one or both can be flipped at the deadline.
I doubt the considerations the Rangers could ask for were much - maybe a very late round pick if Staal plays a lot.

This is part of why I roll my eyes when some sportswriters from other markets
make remarks about the Wings tanking. What was our GM supposed to do - wildly overpay and commit to get a UFA with other options to sign with the (naturally) worst team in the league? Trade our own picks and prospects for a name player to do exactly what for a team going nowhere anytime soon. No thanks. We’d like to actually do this rebuild effectively. That takes time. But what’s worse? Botching it and having to start over and over again due to bad signings that didn’t help much anyway or trading picks for mediocre players. How’s that going in Buffalo?

Now let’s see if we can pry a late 1st from somebody in horrendous cap trouble.

Posted by lefty.30 on 09/26/20 at 08:46 PM ET

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Ansar Khan with remarks from Yzerman.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/26/20 at 08:52 PM ET

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Steve at work and the wheels are spinning in high gear.  LOL

Posted by bigfrog on 09/26/20 at 09:21 PM ET

SYF's avatar

Unload by the Blueshirts so they can have room just in case LaFreniere is the real deal.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 09/26/20 at 09:58 PM ET

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I love it.  Stevie just hung out the sign saying “dump your cap problems here for the right price.”

Great digging, Paul!

Posted by Hippy Dave from Somewhere West of Detroit on 09/26/20 at 10:41 PM ET

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AWESOME move for the team.  A 2nd rounder for some cap space, and a blueline vet to help coach-up all the kids that’ll be on the roster.  This is exactly what we should be doing with our (current, excess) cap space.

2nd rounder is huge.

Posted by The Meal from Firestone, CO on 09/26/20 at 11:26 PM ET

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via Larry Brooks of the NY Post,

The Blueshirts included a sweetener in the deal, sending their 2021 second-round pick to the Red Wings with Staal in exchange for the “future considerations.” Staal, whose 892 regular-season games rank sixth in franchise history, owned a modified no-trade clause on which Detroit was not listed as off-limits, The Post has learned.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 09/27/20 at 08:17 AM ET

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DeKeyser-Staal is our first defense combination, then?

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 09/27/20 at 03:56 PM ET

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Good move here. And another second round pick to top it off! Beautiful!

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 09/27/20 at 05:13 PM ET


The Rangers paid us a second round pick to take some dead weight off their cap so that they can resign DeAngelo, Strome, and possibly Fast.  That’s all this deal was. 

The idea that Staal is going to come in and help stabilize our defense is wishful thinking, in my opinion. I live about an hour outside of NYC, so I get all the Ranger games on my cable system.  Staal WAS a really good defenseman, but injuries have left him with very limited mobility.  Ten years ago he would still have had a place in the league as his mobility started to decline, but the direction the league is moving has made someone who’s skating has diminished stand out like a sore thumb. If he plays any sort of major role for us, it will only be because of a rash of injuries, or the failure of any of our younger defenders to get any traction. 

Ideally, he’ll play on the third pairing with one of the kids, and will play well enough to land us a mid round pick at the deadline.  If we got him in his prime, he’d be playing on the first pairing and eating up 25 minutes a game, but that is not who we are getting. If the Staal that I watched play for the Rangers the last few seasons is playing a major role for us next season, we aren’t going to be any better than we were last year.

Posted by MikeO on 09/27/20 at 06:44 PM ET


And apparently his eye injury has impacted his vision to
some extent.

I have no illusions that Staal is more than a stop-gap
veteran with some size and leadership ability who can play
on the left side of our third pairing and help mentor a younger player.
And yes, flip him if possible.

But he’s better than Daley and Ericsson and that’s whom
we were playing in that 5-6-7 role on the left side. To get a minor
upgrade for one season, a guy unlike those two who might possibly
fetch a mid-late pick later, and a #2 pick is awesome.

I see it as possibly:

DeKeyser - Hronek
Nemeth - Seider
Staal - Lindstrom/Biega
Cholowski(?) - Bowey(?)

Plus the three depth veterans normally in GR

Posted by lefty.30 on 09/27/20 at 09:34 PM ET

d ca's avatar

I see it as possibly:

DeKeyser - Hronek
Nemeth - Seider
Staal - Lindstrom/Biega
Cholowski(?) - Bowey(?)

Plus the three depth veterans normally in GR

Posted by lefty.30 on 09/27/20 at 09:34 PM ET

So 2 goalies, 9 d-men, and 12 forwards (23 is max roster size)? I seriously doubt that configuration. Even if it is 7 d-men, Lindstrom already has a place he can play and Bowey—they’d be better off if they let him walk. He’s basically Cholowski lite with more defensive lapses and less offense.

Posted by d ca on 09/27/20 at 10:46 PM ET


No - more like those are the guys of
NHL experience who are currently under contract.
And roughly how I see the current depth chart on each side from that list.

Well, Seider doesn’t have NHL experience yet.
But he was on track to play some if the season had
finished as usual. And getting to play some in Germany
should help him relative to others.

McIsaac I would give the whole season in Finland or the AHL
unless he blows away our front office.

It’s possible we could sign another defenseman (or absorb another
problem contract for a pick).

But I sort of interpret the Staal trade and Gagne signing as
very low-commitment vets for one season with the expectation this
will be a higher lottery team again. Injuries could always necessitate more depth.

But I could see Stevie stopping here. Maybe he packages Cholowski in a deal.
Maybe he opts not to bring back Bowey. Or maybe each gets one more chance.
I’m not high on either..either. But they are under contract or at least restricted for now.

Posted by lefty.30 on 09/27/20 at 11:30 PM ET

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I wonder if Stevie knows the NHL is going to expand rosters for this coming season, they almost have to, there’s no way they can pack an 82 game schedule into a season that starts in December, and then rely on the ability to call up and down players from AHL or other teams with some form of covid protocols.

Otherwise opening night, the Gagner and Staal deals really put youth off the roster or down the depth chart which is not the direction I was hoping to see him go.  Starting to look more and more that neither Cholowski and Svechkov will not be future 1st or 2nd line players, Svech for sure, Cholo still had some hope for, sad as both are 1st round picks.

Now that said, I do like this trade a lot, I mean a serviceable veteran Dman for a younger D Core, maybe some trade bait himself, or at least backfills if we trade someone else, and a free 2nd round pick, more chances at the plate, more opportunities for a home run.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 09/28/20 at 10:49 AM ET


I wonder if Stevie knows the NHL is going to expand rosters for this coming season

I think that’s a a very real possibility especially when there are big question marks about whether the AHL can afford to play to empty arenas

Posted by evileye on 09/28/20 at 12:54 PM ET


So taking a leap here.  What are the cap circumvention rules regarding how long someone has to be away before they can be traded back?

Capfriendly shows Staal having a NMC which Stevie says doesn’t apply.  Could that mean that Staal could be moved back to the Rangers with Salary retention as part of a second trade, say lundquist, as part of the “future considerations”  or by chance involving a third team prior to the draft or the start of the season?

just wondering about the NMC not applying.  And I also thought the Rangers had bigger things they needed to move (lundquist) to get their cap right.

Posted by murph1jj on 09/28/20 at 02:59 PM ET


I have seen conflicting stories regarding his NMC.  Some reports are saying it was a full no trade clause, while others are saying he had a partial no trade, and the Wings weren’t one of the teams on his blacklist. 

As for how soon you can trade someone back to the team you got them from, I highly doubt that the Rangers want him back. They love him as a person, but he is a shell of his former self and they know it all to well having watched him play the last few seasons.  With that having been said, I don’t think there is anything that would stop the Wings from trading him back to the Rangers, but I’m not sure.  I know that a few years ago the Brooks Orpik fiasco pissed the NHL off, so they put rules in place to keep teams from trading a player away to a team that buys him out, and that player goes and resigns with the original team at a discounted rate.  This would be a different scenario, and I’m not sure if there are any rules in place to stop the trade back to the Rangers. 

Posted by MikeO on 09/28/20 at 03:57 PM ET


Posted by MikeO on 09/28/20 at 03:57 PM ET

Good point, I didn’t know if they wanted him back at his current playing level or not, maybe at 50% salary?  I was looking at it as more of as how do they get around a full NMC(capfriendly), which may not be accurate.  If it was a partial and Detroit wasn’t on the no list that would make sense.

Posted by murph1jj on 09/28/20 at 04:27 PM ET


I saw “The Hockey Guy” report it as the Wings not being
included on Staal’s limited no trade list.
He makes mistakes sometimes trying to cover all thirty one teams
day after day, but also seemingly has some legit sources.

I love how Stevie doesn’t let out any piece of info he doesn’t have to.
I’m sure it’s maddening at times to reporters (and fans)
but it shows a lot of discipline and I’m sure it is both respected
and useful at times in keeping his options open and engendering trust
from players and peers in other front offices. On the other hand when he
does say something it’s hard not to assume there is a purpose behind it.

With expanded rosters seems like the NHL waits as long as possible and dots every i and crosses every t before committing and making an announcement.
But it’s a good point that something has to give with all of these veteran AHL players and prospects already running out of places to play overseas. Not to mention the logistics of recalling a guy on loan from the Austrian league.

Don’t know if the Wings will retain Kyle Wood.
But as it stands, Hicketts, Lashoff, and McIlrath are the experienced fill-ins who would normally come up to play in a pinch. McIsaac clearly just needs to play a full season of pro hockey against men.

Posted by lefty.30 on 09/28/20 at 05:06 PM ET

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