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Ken Holland’s Philosophy

from Shawn Windsor of the Detroit Free Press,

...in the larger context of a rebuild fans keep waiting to begin in earnest, the signings last week felt familiar in the worst kind of way. Decisions that could potentially slow the development of the youngsters.

“We signed some veteran players because it’s important we have some veterans around our kids," Holland told the Free Press last week. "But at the same time, it’s important that those kids get an opportunity. We believe we can make both things happen.”

Taken at face value — or in a vacuum — Holland's philosophy makes sense. No professional sports team thrives without a mix of (relative) youth and experience, even teams trying to crawl back out from the muck.

It's more a question of balance: How much youth versus how much experience?  

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Hoping to ride hot goalie to Stanley Cup is OK, if you have one capable of doing it. Holland had such a goalie only in 2002. Detroit had goalies capable of winning the Stanley Cup, but not the ones capable of doing Fleury in this year’s playoffs.

Posted by Davor on 07/08/18 at 08:42 AM ET

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Holland’s philosophy is to do the same thing over and over and hope for different results.

Seems like I’ve seen that somewhere before….

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 07/08/18 at 08:49 AM ET

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I have really liked Vanek over the years and while I believe him and Green are good players I do not think we need them to have a veteran presence.

We already have Nyquist, Z, Abby, Nielsen, Helm, Glendening and Witkowski up front. That’s plenty of veterans that the young core can get guidance from. With Vanek now in the mix we have 8 veteran forwards and only room for 4-5 spots to youth. Larkin, Mantha, AA, Bertuzzi are locks for the roster so is there really only 1 available spot left?

That doesn’t make much sense to me. I would have liked to see Svechnikov, Zadina, Rasmussen and Frk in the mix but I’m not sure that’s possible.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 07/08/18 at 10:03 AM ET

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After next year there will be 5 UFA’s.  Nyquist, Vanek, Witkowski, Kronwall, Jensen.  (Not including Howard).

The following year, 3 more roster spots in Green, Ericsson, Daley
Plus, Franzen’s cap hit.

So 1-2 guys this year, plus injury call ups…

1-5 guys next year.

A couple more in 20-21…

Plus not much guarantee Z will even play this year… There will be new faces on the roster over the next two years assuming KH doesn’t resign all these guys (which of course, could happen)!

Plus, I’d like to think a trade might be happening - just kidding, we all know trades are hard. 

Posted by nolan33 on 07/08/18 at 10:31 AM ET

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Posted by nolan33 on 07/08/18 at 10:31 AM ET

And of those? If Kronwall wants to come back? you know KH will sign him to an extension. Same with Howard and possibly Nyquist, Vanek and Jensen

After that I wouldn’t be surprised to see Ericsson re-up’d not extensions for Daley and/or Green. These are Kenny versus and he has a hard time letting them go. Until I see him do things differently than he has in the past, I expect at least half of these future UFA’s brought back.

Posted by benzanato on 07/08/18 at 11:00 AM ET

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Suppose to be nor extensions of Daley etc etc.

Stoopid autocorrect

Posted by benzanato on 07/08/18 at 11:02 AM ET

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SOME veterans to help the youngsters is definitely fine, but we have like 18 veterans to help 4 young guys.

Posted by VPalmer on 07/08/18 at 11:40 AM ET

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Posted by VPalmer on 07/08/18 at 11:40 AM ET

Yes 18 Vets to help is odd.  Some of the Vets are not capable to train prospects.  How do evaluate and ensure consistency?

Will we hear next when one prospect makes the team “that we could see some come up in 2 weeks” or “prospects need more ripening in GR”, etc

KH has made many excuses in the past and I sadly think that will happen, I hope not.  No trust here with KH.

Of the many awards Zadina received was that “He was the most NHL ready” , I think that will be tough to ignore.

Will see , I guess

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 07/08/18 at 03:11 PM ET

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We already have Nyquist, Z, Abby, Nielsen, Helm, Glendening and Witkowski up front.

Posted by topshelf14 from Detroit, MI on 07/08/18 at 10:03 AM ET

I wouldn’t call Witkowski’s seat in the press box a “roster spot”.

Posted by Primis on 07/08/18 at 06:19 PM ET

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Some of the Vets are not capable to train prospects

THIS is the problem. You bring back a forward who isn’t known for his 200’ game and a defenseman who is not very good in his own end.

Mentors need to be good all-around and able to lead by example, not just guys who have years under their belts.

I wouldn’t call Witkowski’s seat in the press box a “roster spot”.

Well, regardless of what you would call it, it is a roster spot.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 07/08/18 at 06:32 PM ET

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at this point i just assume someone in ownership is telling KH to go out and get some “big name” free agents for ticket sales. it can’t be because anyone in the hockey ops dept. actually believes those two will move the needle far enough to get them back into the playoffs, never mind contention. i’ve said it before, maybe they finish 22nd instead of 28th, which is BAD.

just look at the division. i expect BOS TBL TOR and probably even FLA to all be ahead of us. that means we’re fighting everyone else and all the Metro teams for one wild card spot. how is that going to go? this is so stupid.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 07/08/18 at 07:07 PM ET

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this is so stupid.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 07/08/18 at 07:07 PM ET

Stupid is accurate but I would add expected continuation of BS from Holland

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 07/08/18 at 10:24 PM ET

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No trust here with KH.
Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 07/08/18 at 03:11 PM ET

After all the teeth gnashing crying and feet stomping, how many NHL talents have the red wings held back in the last say 5 to years? Guys that are now in this league, here to stay, and contributing more than a bottom filler role?

There’s plenty to beef Holland with, plenty, knowing when and how to bring talent up isn’t one of them, at least yet.

I wouldn’t call Witkowski’s seat in the press box a “roster spot”.
Well, regardless of what you would call it, it is a roster spot.
Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 07/08/18 at 06:32 PM ET

Ah yes, another HHHT faithful that thinks its better for a wet behind the ears puppy who we need to develop into something to sit in the pressbox most nights over a vet that has no future with this team.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from Holland Hate Hyperbole Town (HHHT) on 07/08/18 at 10:53 PM ET

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