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You’ve seen this over on the main page but I’m gonna irritate Paul and double post this thing.

The Wings are going to get ripped all over the hockey world for this and they deserve it.  Memo to Wyshynski, the Denver bloggers, the Pens Blog: lay it on ‘em because they’ve earned it.

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Get rid of this thing now, Mike.  It’s embarrassing and it’s unseemly.  The “virtual ads” on the glass is one thing.  But Amway on a practice jersey is bush league.  It’s Chico’s Bail Bonds in Detroit, and yeah…I know that opens the door.

The Detroit Red Wings are not a frigging stock car Mr. Ilitch.  You’re talking about buying an

NFL

errrr NBA team (I know…) and yet you need money so badly you’d pull this stunt? 

Lose the patch, Wings.  It’s pathetic.

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Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit's avatar

I for one just love watching my Red Wings.

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Let’s leave it at that.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 11/17/10 at 07:55 PM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

They have the power to “cap” the pay of their workers so that their value can’t increase too much even if (in the past) they’d have been able to get more at another team.

That’s absolutely false.  Players unions were founded specifically to fight this one bit.  If you notice, every league that has a cap has one because it was collectively bargained as an agreement between ownership and players.

Furthermore, the leagues continue to get busted for anti-monopolistic practices (I recommend reading up on American Needle versus the NFL in a ruling that went to the Supreme Court)

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/17/10 at 08:06 PM ET

Better_Than_Life's avatar

Coming from the UK sponsors on Jerseys it common place, that said I think this is a rare cheap move by the wings

Posted by Better_Than_Life from UK on 11/17/10 at 08:09 PM ET

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Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 11/17/10 at 04:37 PM ET

I never said they were exactly the same.  My point is that there is a fine line between what some (because it surrounds us in our daily life) are conditioned to see as “socially acceptable” and that which is “sleazy”.  This is still in many ways a free country, I have friends who work at Amway corporate as graphic designers, design engineers etc.  They receive a regular salary.  I personally never plan to work for them.  Some do, that is their choice.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 08:21 PM ET

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Players unions were founded specifically to fight this one bit.
Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/17/10 at 05:06 PM ET

JJ, you are correct, and if the majority of the members of the players unions had the financial stability to survive a holdout for 3 years then they (perhaps) would win.  Most of the owners of the professional franchises do not rely on their team as their main source of income.  Without getting into Unions, (and i don’t disagree with the cap) players are still payed based on their market value, but the market has been capped.  How many other professions have a capped market value based on an arbitrary number instead of supply and demand of skills?  Granted, the AMA limits the number of students allowed to be accepted to medical school to keep supply low, companies limit supply to increase demand, until a competitor arrives on scene because they see a profitable market.  I’m not saying other professions don’t exist. But still…..

Anyway, DVR’ing the game and meeting someone for a drink.  Night all.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 08:38 PM ET

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BTW, “Devil’s Advocate Off”.  Personally I have no love for Amway, but I also have no hate.  I hope I didn’t offend any of the 19 with my over-reaction to other over-reaction.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 08:42 PM ET

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Darhken, fyi, only MLB (among US sports leagues) has an exemption to the Sherman Anti-Trust Act, making it the only monopoly.

Also, you’ve done a poor job as devil’s advocate because of your fallacious reasoning that all corporations are bad so Amway is no worse than any of the others.  Corporations, like individuals, are all different. The vast majority of corporations, like individuals, seek to follow the law. Amway’s track record in court over the years indiciates that the only way it will follow the law is when it’s dragged kicking and screaming. Here are just a few of the legal highlights.

Though the US FTC did not hold Amway to be an illegal pyramid scheme (because at least some income came from the sale of product), in 1979 it ordered Amway to stop retail price fixing and allocating customers among distributors and prohibited the company from misrepresenting the amount of profit, earnings or sales its distributors are likely to achieve with the business. Amway was ordered to accompany any such statements with the actual averages per distributor, pointing out that more than half of the distributors do not make any money, with the average distributor making less than $100 per month. The order was violated with a 1986 ad campaign, resulting in a $100,000 fine.

In 1983, Amway pleaded guilty to criminal tax evasion and customs fraud in Canada, resulting in a fine of $25 million (Canadian), the largest fine ever imposed in Canada at the time. In 1989 the company settled the outstanding customs duties for $45 million (Canadian).

In 2006, police in India seized Amway facilities for being an illegal scheme, and the case is still pending.

Earlier this month, Amway announced that it had agreed to pay $56 million to settle a class action that had been filed in Federal District Court in California in 2007. While noting that the settlement is not an admission of wrongdoing or liability, Amway acknowledged that

it had made changes to its business operations as a result of the lawsuit

. (If they weren’t doing anything wrong, why did they pay out so much AND change how they do business).

I’d wager that BP has better business practices than Amway.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 11/17/10 at 09:57 PM ET

WingsFanInBeanLand's avatar

I have nothing to add.  I just wanted to get the post count off of the #87.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from Where the GM likes his team. on 11/17/10 at 10:27 PM ET

w2j2's avatar

Word.
mad

Posted by w2j2 on 11/18/10 at 01:51 PM ET

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