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Is It April 1st?

You’ve seen this over on the main page but I’m gonna irritate Paul and double post this thing.

The Wings are going to get ripped all over the hockey world for this and they deserve it.  Memo to Wyshynski, the Denver bloggers, the Pens Blog: lay it on ‘em because they’ve earned it.

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Get rid of this thing now, Mike.  It’s embarrassing and it’s unseemly.  The “virtual ads” on the glass is one thing.  But Amway on a practice jersey is bush league.  It’s Chico’s Bail Bonds in Detroit, and yeah…I know that opens the door.

The Detroit Red Wings are not a frigging stock car Mr. Ilitch.  You’re talking about buying an

NFL

errrr NBA team (I know…) and yet you need money so badly you’d pull this stunt? 

Lose the patch, Wings.  It’s pathetic.

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42jeff's avatar

Hey Rabble Rousers!

At ARMS!!

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Your-Election-Guide-to-2011-NHL-All-Star-Game-Wr?urn=nhl-286634#remaining-content

Posted by 42jeff from The greater Howard City, MI metroplex on 11/17/10 at 03:22 PM ET

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Beautiful.  Today’s practice is brought to you by a sleazy rat’s nest full of drunken corporate pimps, whores and thieves.  You’re fuching with everything good, right and decent here.  Can you imagine the curse that could accompany such an egregious rape of karma?

Stop this madness!!

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 11/17/10 at 03:26 PM ET

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They could practice in pink bodysuits, not like it matters considering John “Goebbels” Hahn doesn’t let anyone see.

Posted by Nathan from the chiropractor on 11/17/10 at 12:42 PM ET

This.

Though maybe the sponsorship means more open practices so people can actually see the patch?  Not likely.

Posted by DetroitHockey on 11/17/10 at 03:29 PM ET

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  They could practice in pink bodysuits, not like it matters considering John “Goebbels” Hahn doesn’t let anyone see.

  Posted by Nathan from the chiropractor on 11/17/10 at 12:42 PM ET

This.

Though maybe the sponsorship means more open practices so people can actually see the patch?  Not likely.

You have to wonder if the Amway ad people know the Wings’ practices are closed. This may be a case wool+eyes=win for Violetta and Company.

Posted by Matt Saler from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 03:33 PM ET

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You are all overlooking the fact that the increased revenue will allow them to reduce ticket prices just like the salary cap did.

Posted by HockeyTownTodd from A. K. A. NostraGrampus on 11/17/10 at 01:03 PM ET

Sarcasm font please.

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 11/17/10 at 03:33 PM ET

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Posted by FranzensMouthguard from Chicago, IL on 11/17/10 at 03:41 PM ET

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Has anyone noticed that the official site already has it’s background updated to show the AMWAY patch in the top left corner, as well as a picture on the right hand side of Chicklets with the patch on his practice jersey (must’ve been Photoshopped, right?)...

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 11/17/10 at 03:51 PM ET

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Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/17/10 at 01:18 PM ET

Mike Illitch put a lot of hard work into building his company, brand name, distribution chains etc.  Now he sits back and rakes in the money (slimplistic view i know, not going into all details).  Dick Devos and Jay Van Andel did the same with Amway and now they sit back and rake in the money.  Amway “distributors” sell Amway only products and kick %‘s up the chain.  Little Ceaser’s franchise owners must buy all ingredients, signage, equipment, uniform’s etc. from the franchise owner at prices set by said owner.  I’m not defending Amway or attacking Illitch, I’m actually just trying to be a devil’s advocate and point out that it’s a fine line between what society deems as “acceptable business practices” and “sleaziness”.

On a less devil’s advocate stance, this past summer Amway flew all their top sales people into G.R. from around the world, and word leaked out that there was to be a fireworks display for said guests.  When word leaked out Amway told the public it was not a display for the public but a “private” display.  Jokes of “make sure you don’t look up” ran rampant around the city.  Trust me, I live here and I know all too well the “moral ambiguities” surrounding Amway.  But I also know all the time, effort, and cash the Devos and Van Andel families (as well as Meijer) have put into West Michigan, Grand Rapids, and GVSU.  It’s slightly ironic that these has come so close on the heels to the Honda giveaway “issue”.  Perhaps these two subjects are apples and oranges, but then again, perhaps not.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 03:59 PM ET

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I just hope that ten years from now the phrase “the curse of Amway” isn’t part of our lexicon.

Posted by WestWing from Portland, Oregon on 11/17/10 at 04:05 PM ET

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As an ex auditor for Canada Revenue Agency (Canadian equivalent to IRS) I know for a fact that every tax return by an Amway distributor is flagged for review by a full time team of specialists well versed in their antics.  In the tax community the company is known as “Scamway” for good reason.  I recommend that Mr. Illitch reconsider his association with these charlatans lest his companies come under an increased focus by your tax authorities.
Cheers

Posted by MattinSurrey on 11/17/10 at 04:05 PM ET

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Much ado about nothing - - we talking about practice, man.  We ain’t talking about the game.

Posted by Jeff OKWingnut from Quest for 12 on 11/17/10 at 04:08 PM ET

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Has anyone noticed that the official site already has it’s background updated to show the AMWAY patch in the top left corner, as well as a picture on the right hand side of Chicklets with the patch on his practice jersey (must’ve been Photoshopped, right?)…
Posted by Nathan from the chiropractor on 11/17/10 at 01:51 PM

Yup, it’s begun.

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I’m actually just trying to be a devil’s advocate and point out that it’s a fine line between what society deems as “acceptable business practices” and “sleaziness”.
Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 01:59 PM ET

There is a huge difference, which I pointed out and that you fail to acknowledge, namely that as an Amway “distributor,” one must recruit more “distributors.” That is what makes Amway a multi-level-marketing scheme, better known as a pyramid scheme. Little Caesar’s franchisees do not recruit people to become LC franchisees, nor does LC franchisee income come from other LC franchisees, both of which happen with Amway “distributorships.”

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 11/17/10 at 04:34 PM ET

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Look closely at that picture of Modano on the right. That is Modano in a game uniform and that is an Amway logo on it.

Slippery slope, indeed.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 11/17/10 at 04:37 PM ET

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If they put logos on game uniforms, I will pitch a <strike>no-hitter</strike> <strike>tent</strike> fit.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/17/10 at 04:41 PM ET

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Voice your displeasure at the Wings partnership with Amway. Here is contact info from the Wings website

To find out about the outstanding partnership opportunities with the Detroit Red Wings, please contact corporate partnership sales coordinator Casey Gmerek at 313-396-7543 or email her at .(JavaScript must be enabled to view this email address).

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 11/17/10 at 04:42 PM ET

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Look closely at that picture of Modano on the right. That is Modano in a game uniform and that is an Amway logo on it.

Cap’n.  That fortunately is a practice sweater.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 11/17/10 at 04:43 PM ET

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Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/17/10 at 02:34 PM ET

No one mustn’t.  My mother sold Amway for two or three years when I was a child.  She never recruited anyone, and she didn’t become a millionaire either.  In fact my parents just threw away their Amway vacuum cleaner they bought in the 80’s last year and replaced it with a Dyson.  They wish the Dyson had the motor, suction and cleaning power of their finally caput Amway cleaner.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 04:43 PM ET

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The Wings are goin’ diamond.

Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from where free agents no longer dare. on 11/17/10 at 04:44 PM ET

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They wish the Dyson had the motor, suction and cleaning power of their finally caput Amway cleaner.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 02:43 PM ET

Kirby fo’ life mofos!

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/17/10 at 04:45 PM ET

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I mean, isn’t being a franchise owner almost the same thing as a “pyramid scheme?”

No. No it’s not.

Next question?

Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 11/17/10 at 04:48 PM ET

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Cap’n.  That fortunately is a practice sweater.
Posted by WingsFanInBeanLand from VAHockeyFan’s sandy vag on 11/17/10 at 02:43 PM

I respectfully disagree. The practice sweaters pictured in the Chief’s blog post have grey collars. The pic of Modano on the website has a red collar, just like a game jersey. As Nathan noted, it may be a p-shop, but it is a game jersey, not a practice jersey

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 11/17/10 at 05:08 PM ET

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I respectfully disagree. The practice sweaters pictured in the Chief’s blog post have grey collars. The pic of Modano on the website has a red collar, just like a game jersey. As Nathan noted, it may be a p-shop, but it is a game jersey, not a practice jersey
Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/17/10 at 03:08 PM

Please disregard. I went to the Wings webstore and compared the practice and game jerseys. You are correct WFIBL

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 11/17/10 at 05:10 PM ET

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respectfully disagree. The practice sweaters pictured in the Chief’s blog post have grey collars. The pic of Modano on the website has a red collar, just like a game jersey. As Nathan noted, it may be a p-shop, but it is a game jersey, not a practice jersey

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/17/10 at 03:08 PM ET

I went there and zoomed all the way out to look at the background image.  Thanks to being on janky-ass IE 7 on my work, computer, I can’t see Modano’s face or neck in that picture, but I can cleary see the white underarms and parallel lines that run from the neck all the way down the sleeves that separate it out as a practice sweater.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/17/10 at 05:13 PM ET

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Just saw the comment on the main page story about this.  Should have checked there first; didn’t mean to pile on.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 11/17/10 at 05:21 PM ET

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To sum up my thoughts, I generally agree with others here who “just don’t care”.  It is after all a practice jersey.  Amway already sponsers the Griffins and has for a long time.  McDonalds clear cuts thousands of hectares of Brasilian rain forest for cattle grazing and are “Proud Sponsers of the US Olympic Team” and I still eat their “food” when stopping for a quick bite on a road trip.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 05:25 PM ET

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i’m with you on this, Chief. Amway is a bunch of religious fanatics operating a giant pyramid scheme. It’s worse than the Honda Civics.

Posted by cowboycoffee from San Francisco, CA on 11/17/10 at 05:28 PM ET

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Is is that a probelm? Aside from possible illegal activities from Amway, why can’t the team sell the space on practice jerseys? For fuch’s sake, when was the last time you saw a practice jersey? Most stories have game pictures, and when it’s practice it’s usually from months ago. Even if the Wings provide new pics for every story, what’s the problem?

Also, are people forgetting that Mike Illitich wants to buy an NBA team? I don’t care how much money he has, that’s a big fuching deal. And as far as we know, that’s just the first step on a bigger fuchinger deal, this being building a new arena. A new arena that Illitch won’t pay for alone, and the city/state can’t afford, so what’s the problem in getting all the money he can?

And nowadays executives don’t just build places and wait for decades to make up for that money, they sell naming rights to get it right away. This could be the first move in direction to Wings and Piston playing on Amway Arena in a few years, which I’ll certainly hate (althought playing on AA would be fitting for us, the 19.

Last ramble, when the NHL says they’re against too much technology and shit, you say the League is trapped in the past. Well, my friends, getting money from wherever you can is the way it’s done today, get used to used to it.

Except on game jerseys.

Posted by Guilherme from Brazsil on 11/17/10 at 05:35 PM ET

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Amway.  G-ddammit…

Posted by SYF from The Revenge of Johnny E on 11/17/10 at 05:54 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

So that’s what happens when you get cut by the Red Wings.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 11/17/10 at 06:00 PM ET

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It’s not the greatest day in Wings history, that’s for sure. But it’s only a practice jersey. I could really give a fuch less what they wear when they sweat at practice.

But they day it is allowed on the game jersey is the first day of the last days for the NHL. And you know damn well the issue has been discussed by numerous sources.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/17/10 at 06:09 PM ET

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Look closely at that picture of Modano on the right. That is Modano in a game uniform and that is an Amway logo on it.

Slippery slope, indeed.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/17/10 at 02:37 PM ET

Nope, that’s a red practice jersey. Notice the thin lines on the shoulders.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/17/10 at 06:11 PM ET

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Just want to draw more attention to what 42jeff posted… Wysh is calling us out to support the Jimmy Howard all-star-gimmick-vote write-in campaign

The Campaign: Started by Red Wings blog Winging It In Motown on Facebook and slowly spreading through message boards. Will the rabble-rousers on Abel To Yzerman get on the bandwagon?

Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 11/17/10 at 06:12 PM ET

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Here’s the jersey Modano has on

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 11/17/10 at 06:13 PM ET

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One’s success as a Little Caesar’s franchisee depends on how much pizza one sells to the public. It does not depend on how many other franchisees that one signs up.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 11/17/10 at 01:18 PM ET

One’s success as an Amway distributor depends on how much product one sells to the public AND how many other distributors one signs up if they choose to do so.  No one is forcing them to sell Amway in the first place, just as no one is forcing me to buy a franchise (as if i had the means).  Though people with little means like myself could climb the ladder of Amway and become “middle tier” if that’s what they chose to do and perhaps no longer have to sell product.  In fact how many franchise owners do you know who sell product? Most of them hire cheap labor to do that and Managers to watch over the cheap labor.


I mean, isn’t being a franchise owner almost the same thing as a “pyramid scheme?”
No. No it’s not.
Next question?
Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 11/17/10 at 02:48 PM ET

You are correct, in fact I pointed out Pyramid Schemes are illegal in the US.  A pyramid scheme is a company that generates all revenue on “membership fees” etc. without receiving revenue on actual sale of a product and is illegal.  Amway is in fact a Pyramid shaped business model and generates revenue on sale of actual product.  As a distributor a % of your commission for sale of goods is giving to “higher management”  If you sign up others you become “higher management” and receive a % of the commissions of your sub-ordinates.  A franchise however is not a pyramid shaped business model, it is in fact more representative of and upside down “T”.  All franchise owners give a % of their profits to their corporate franchise.  If, as a franchise owner, I sell 100 pizzas a day, corporate is receiving money based on their cut of the sale price for ingredients for 100 pizzas a day, or X.  If I sell 1000 pizzas a day, corporate is receiving 10X.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 06:28 PM ET

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(althought playing on AA would be fitting for us, the 19.)

Hey, leave me out of this.

Again, I’ll reiterate the point that North American pro sports leagues are about the only ones that don’t have actual game uniforms with some sort of sponsorship on them.  I know some people on here are Arsenal & West Ham fans…do the names Autoglass, Emirates, Doc Martens, or XL mean anything to you?

I for one welcome the day when the Red Wings are brought to us by Thunder Muscle.  It’s like drinking ten lighnings and gives you the strength of twenty ponies!

Posted by AndrewFromAnnArbor from Fortress Europe on 11/17/10 at 06:28 PM ET

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I saw this on my facebook feed this morning and thought it was some kind of a joke.  Blech.

Posted by hockeychic from Denver, CO on 11/17/10 at 06:30 PM ET

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Will the rabble-rousers on Abel To Yzerman get on the bandwagon?

Posted by MarkK from Maryland on 11/17/10 at 04:12 PM ET

After the way Gary.Ass shafted Lidstrom and Datsyuk in ‘08?

F*ck Gary.ASSG.

Posted by SYF from The Revenge of Johnny E on 11/17/10 at 06:35 PM ET

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Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 04:28 PM ET

You’re right, franchises are exactly like pyramid schemes in that in both, money exchanges hands.

Lemonade stands are pyramid schemes too. So are pet shops.

Posted by CaptNorris5 from The Winged Wheel, stuck in Chicago on 11/17/10 at 06:37 PM ET

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Wow if this isn’t a fresh steaming pile of BS I don’t know what is.

Posted by Hippy Dave from Portland by way of Detroit on 11/17/10 at 06:41 PM ET

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Lastly, if your worried about Our Detroit Red Wings having a logo on their practice jersey from what you may consider a morally ambiguous corporation (i consider all corporations morally ambiguous), then you should stop watching any professional sports.

Professional sports are the one monopoly the US government has continuously refused to break up.  The NHL was pure monopoly when they bought/merged with the WHL, and most AHL teams are owned by NHL “parents”.  How about the purchase/merger of the ABA??  Most arena football teams are owned by NFL teams.  See any competitors for MLB? 

Lets face it, professional sports are sanctioned monopolies in this country and even have the power to determine the rules instituted that determine the safety of their “workers”.  Have you seen OSHA step in when a player gets injured? They have the power to “cap” the pay of their workers so that their value can’t increase too much even if (in the past) they’d have been able to get more at another team.  In fact the NHL is the first to start to lose that monopoly internationally to the KHL.  So if you’re worried about the embarrassment, or public view of your team for wearing a certain company’s logo, perhaps you should take a harder look at the support you give your team as a member of a dictatorial monopoly. 

Amway is a sponser whether you petition the Wings or not.  I for one just love watching my Red Wings.  If your worried about corporate America then vote, or better yet, run for office.

Posted by Dahrken from Grand Rapids, MI on 11/17/10 at 06:48 PM ET

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