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I, for one, am enjoying the fact that in the previous two years Holland was roasted for not taking D in the top ten and now this year everyone is pissed that he took a D in the top ten, even though there are a lot of articles out there saying he was probably the best D after Bowen Byram.

There really, truly is no pleasing some people.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 06/22/19 at 03:01 PM ET

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he=Yzerman

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 06/22/19 at 03:01 PM ET

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I think it shows what he thinks of our D-Prospects.  Interesting tidbit (if true) on another board, a poster who accurately predicted the Wings would take Seider no matter what said it was Yzerman’s decision to take Seider and over ruled his scouting staff who wanted Podkinen (or however you spell it)

Posted by bababooey on 06/22/19 at 03:05 PM ET

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Because the d-men were reaches. If you want to reach trade down and acquire more picks, but don’t complain you couldn’t when their were multiple reports about a team wanting to move up from 10. Just come out and say Holland knew our board and we were fearful he would use our scouting against us.

The Wings reached on multiple players according to McKenzie’s list (which uses 10 NHL head scouts). With their 2nd rounder they are getting an NCAA d-man that won’t turn pro for perhaps 2 years. Then a year in the AHL. Good for ELC purposes…bad for playoff purposes. They have a bunch of UFA d-men in July 2020: that scares me into thinking they will blow cap space on veteran d-men that will block these guys paths even if they develop on time.

Zadina and Seider isn’t better then Quinn Hughes and Trevor Zegras..but maybe I just trust the USNDT’s players than the raw talent coming from overseas.

These are valid issues and the believe in our scouting department when it comes to drafting then developing d-men doesn’t work here.

Posted by d ca on 06/22/19 at 03:19 PM ET

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Holland always took the best player available.  Yzerman is filling the need.

Posted by w2j2 on 06/22/19 at 03:20 PM ET

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but don’t complain you couldn’t when their were multiple reports about a team wanting to move up from 10.

bingo

Posted by ilovehomers on 06/22/19 at 03:21 PM ET

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ecause the d-men were reaches. If you want to reach trade down and acquire more picksbut don’t complain you couldn’t when their were multiple reports about a team wanting to move up from 10. Just come out and say Holland knew our board and we were fearful he would use our scouting against us

It has been said that Holland would’ve taken Seider at 8 which is why even if we had traded down to Vancouver’s spot we’d have lost him.  Then what?

Posted by bababooey on 06/22/19 at 03:22 PM ET

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but don’t complain you couldn’t when their were multiple reports about a team wanting to move up from 10.


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Who were the multiple teams?  They explored trading down but didn’t get any takers and then were worried Edmonton or even Buffalo might take Seider before their pick

Posted by bababooey on 06/22/19 at 03:24 PM ET

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Just me guessing, but VAN wanted to trade to take Broberg, and Edmonton had Seider ranked right after Broberg so if the Red Wings took that trade they wouldn’t have gotten either.

Posted by tkfergy on 06/22/19 at 03:27 PM ET

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Multiple reports. !!!!!!!

Solid Intel !!!

Posted by RWBill on 06/22/19 at 03:35 PM ET

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Then what?

Hmmm take a Tier 3 player like all those d-men (2nd pair guys) or have to fall back on taking a tier 2 player a forward and get a 2nd pair guy in the 2nd?

I’ll run to the podium and take the Tier 2 forward when the club has multiple positions of need. Take those 2nd round picks and move up to grab a Tier 3 d-man like Bjornfot or Ryan Johnson or even stay at 35 and get Tier 4 guys like Alec Vlasic or Matthew Robertson.

Posted by d ca on 06/22/19 at 03:39 PM ET

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Did Yzerman suggest they didn’t take BPA?

While some people are low on Seider, thinking he will maybe be a top four D, others think extremely highly of him. One ranking I saw had Seider at #5 a couple days before the draft.

We need to forget about whatever list that we saw and got married to. It’s mostly useless BS, which is why after the sure-fire picks, the draft is a crap shoot.

Posted by petesrw on 06/22/19 at 03:40 PM ET

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These picks acknowledge we already have 2 good PP quarterbacks in Hronek and Cholowski. Most of the defensemen prospects who rank highly are offensive defensemen, which means that if you need to draft defensemen who play defense first, you are going to be “off board”. These players also need to have size, strength and hockey sense well above average to make it to the NHL in the next 2 years.

I don’t think these picks are reaches really. They are based on team needs and they fill holes in the pipeline. The team just doesn’t need the kind of statistical performers that make the draft look easy. Broberg represents who they could have taken if they didn’t already have Hronek and Cholowski.

Posted by mtta on 06/22/19 at 03:42 PM ET

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Seider, Cholo, Hronek, Bowey, Kaski, McIsaac, Lindstrom

Posted by ilovehomers on 06/22/19 at 03:57 PM ET

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Posted by mtta on 06/22/19 at 03:42 PM ET

That’s a pretty spot-on assessment right there. Very well thought out.

But, damn it, I still wanted Spencer Knight at #6.  LOL

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/22/19 at 03:58 PM ET

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Yes, multiple reports from professional sources:

Eliotte Friedman on Sportsnet : source

A writer for The Athletic and eliteprospect Source here

A beat writer in Vancouver and TSN radio contributor on Sportsnet 650: best print version I could find source 2

so yeah multiple reports a team was trying to move up and trade with the Wings—-stop calling out people that you disagree with when they are giving you facts.

Posted by d ca on 06/22/19 at 04:02 PM ET

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Carolina wanted to move up, too I’m pretty sure. and Arizona did. Yzerman acknowledged he was trying to drop back.

https://mobile.twitter.com/HeleneStJames/status/1142274544578617345

Posted by ilovehomers on 06/22/19 at 04:07 PM ET

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Question is, what were they offering. Remember that Arizona traded mid-round 2nd and took Dats contract to trade up from 20th to 18th. So, any talk about trading down starts with high 2nd.

Posted by Davor on 06/22/19 at 04:27 PM ET

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With all the D the Wings are taking, I doubt they are thinking BPA…

Posted by ilovehomers on 06/22/19 at 04:42 PM ET

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I’m still fine with Stevie taking Seider at 6th. Holland potentially taking him at 8th is a good motivator to take who you want when you can.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 06/22/19 at 04:48 PM ET

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I think Seider is a very good meat and potatoes kind of DMan. Not a fancy player expected at #6. Just great in his own end and GETTING the puck out of the Wings end in a hurry.

Wings sure need that kind of DMan. (and every other kind of DMan)

Wingstook some other European prospects which I think was “About Time”

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 06/22/19 at 05:26 PM ET

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Feels like Yzerman plans to lose hard for another year, these picks all have paths to travel before they arrive in the NHL, fine with me, I hope the fan base remains patient with the YzerPlan

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 06/22/19 at 08:53 PM ET

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I doubt the Vancouver deal was as sweet as discussed. Vancouver fans were saying the players added to switching the pick were to valuable to the team. Vancouver didn’t have any extra picks to spend which is why I would guess is the reason the trade didn’t happen. Or, if they were offering picks they were late round picks. Maybe Stevie was saying, you take Abbey off our hands and we got a deal, and Vancouver was like, go away.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 06/24/19 at 11:43 AM ET

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I look at this as Yzerman seeing several players who were roughly similar in ranking and D was a more pressing need in Detroit. The more defensemen they have, the more likely one of these guys will become the true first pairing D they desperately need.

Yzerman has said this rebuild is going to take some more time. Perhaps they could have found a player who made an impact this year but it really wouldn’t have made a great difference overall. Better to miss the playoffs for one more year (or two) and stockpile more future assets.

Posted by evileye on 06/24/19 at 12:35 PM ET

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