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Is Ryan Callahan A Fit For The Detroit Red Wings?

from Joe Smith of The Athletic,

With the Lightning having $74 million of an expected $83 million salary cap committed to 17 players — and needing to give restricted free agent center Brayden Point a hefty raise — Callahan is expected to be moved this summer. Tampa Bay can try to deal Callahan by the June 21-22 NHL Draft in Vancouver, but they likely would need to sweeten the deal with a pick or prospect. They could also try to buy Callahan out this summer, which would require them to carry some of his $5.8 million cap hit....

With the help of my colleagues at The Athletic, here are five teams that could be potential trading partners with the Lightning in taking on Callahan....

Detroit Red Wings
Red Wings beat writer Max Bultman:
The Red Wings are a natural fit for Callahan for several reasons. First, they have the cap space to take on his deal with little to no trouble. Second, their forward situation is such that Callahan would be a legitimate upgrade on their third line and potentially even a natural fit to play opposite rookie Filip Zadina on a line. And, lastly, because they have Steve Yzerman, the GM who brought Callahan to Tampa in the first place and happens to have the most intimate possible knowledge of the Lightning farm system when it comes to picking out an asset as a sweetener.

A Julien BriseBois-Yzerman negotiation over prospects they once oversaw together would be a fascinating process and, considering the number of intriguing players at the AHL level for Tampa Bay, probably ultimately fruitful for both sides. You have to expect BriseBois to draw the line at the some of the top guns like Joseph, Cirelli or even Barre-Boulet, but because Callahan’s hit wouldn’t be a massive burden on Detroit, someone like Mitchell Stephens, Alexander Volkov, Taylor Raddysh, Boris Katchouk, Carter Verhaeghe or Connor Ingram could still be worthwhile for the Red Wings. Detroit would have to live with clogging up a lineup spot with yet another veteran, but utilizing their available cap space on Callahan would allow them to add a prospect from a system that continues to turn out skilled players. If it ends up making them better next season, too, so much the better.

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I just don’t see why they should trade for Callahan.

Posted by TreKronor on 05/20/19 at 02:40 PM ET

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If TB agrees to take Abdelkader in a trade, then sure.

Any other circumstance, absolutely not.

Posted by Charles1986 on 05/20/19 at 02:56 PM ET

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If TB agrees to take Abdelkader in a trade, then sure.

Any other circumstance, absolutely not.

Posted by Charles1986 on 05/20/19 at 03:56 PM ET

Why would they take salary back? The whole point is for them to dump salary. From the Red Wings perspective the focus would be not on Callahan himself but the extra asset they get in turn for taking on his cap hit.

Either way though, unless it’s a prospect that Y knows is really good, there is no point in taking up a roster spot.

Posted by George0211 on 05/20/19 at 03:06 PM ET

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Callahan only has one year left on his deal, so if Stevie can pluck a good player and take Callahan’s cap hit and send, like, a 2nd or 3rd to TB, I say go for it. Not sure exactly how desperate the Bolts are to clear space, but Stevie does…

Posted by Steeb on 05/20/19 at 03:11 PM ET

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I just don’t see why they should trade for Callahan.

Posted by TreKronor on 05/20/19 at 03:40 PM ET

Because Yzerman would be using available cap space (an asset) to acquire prospect talent along with Calahan.  Could also make Glendenning as an example expendable in a trade with a Toronto for additional considerations.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/20/19 at 03:16 PM ET

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Why wouldn’t you look at the deal?  Best case scenario to me would be a three way deal.  We take Callahan and picks/prospects from TB, they get their salary dump and a 5th round to make it tidy, or whatever going back depending on the prospect coming our way.  We then flip him to a contender needing depth, while we retain 50% of his salary.  In return we get more picks/prospects.  This depends on if he is attractive on a 1 yr 2.9MM deal.

Or we keep him for the year.  He rides the pine in Witkowski’s seat.  Or he plays 3rd line with Zadina like some are saying, and it allows us to move a couple of our other contracts like helm or glendening.

Either way capititalize every asset you have to the fullest.  In this case available cap space, which I know is something new to us Wings fans.

Posted by murph1jj on 05/20/19 at 03:57 PM ET

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Why would they take salary back? The whole point is for them to dump salary. From the Red Wings perspective the focus would be not on Callahan himself but the extra asset they get in turn for taking on his cap hit.

Either way though, unless it’s a prospect that Y knows is really good, there is no point in taking up a roster spot.

Posted by George0211 on 05/20/19 at 04:06 PM ET


I wasn’t really talking about an actual trade, my main point was that Abdelkader’s contract is so ridiculous that it should come off the books by any means necessary. The Wings shouldn’t take Callahan in any scenario, it would be beyond redundant with the aging and ineffective veterans with bad contracts they already have.

I wouldn’t imagine TB would throw in a good enough prospect to make the deal sweet enough, and there’s no reason the Wings should take on a mid level prospect just to essentially do TB a favor.

Posted by Charles1986 on 05/20/19 at 04:02 PM ET

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He rides the pine in Witkowski’s seat.
Posted by murph1jj on 05/20/19 at 04:57 PM ET

So while Calahan is not a $5.8MM player, he’s still a good player, no where close to a 13th forward especially on this roster.

Posted by Charles1986 on 05/20/19 at 05:02 PM ET

Absolutely not is a bit harsh, if this gets done, big IF, the trade was worthwhile, considering Yzerman would know the prospect he’s getting.  Tampa has to move him at the beginning of the season with only a few teams that could absorb him.  The Wings could also still deal him at the deadline when his contract is almost gone because to point above, he’s still a good gritty NHL player, good playoff depth guy, this isn’t Vanek.  Heck we might even trade him right back to Tampa.

If the extra piece isn’t good enough, which Yzerman would know,  we wouldn’t do it.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/20/19 at 04:15 PM ET

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Agreed Murray, I’m not saying he should be the guy on the bench, that was kind of a worst case scenario.  Which still isn’t that bad.  But i did provide several scenarios

Posted by Charles1986 on 05/20/19 at 05:02 PM ET

If you look at the cap situation for TB, I think they will need to sweeten the pot with more than a mid level prospect.  Looking at who they need to sign, and how many spots they need to fill in the next couple years it may end up being a roster player.  They have several holes to fill in the next 2 years and not much cap to do it. 

Remember this is a 1yr contract.  The article also mentions that Tampa’s 1st round pick(27) could be in play in this deal.

Posted by murph1jj on 05/20/19 at 04:33 PM ET

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If Holland was still in charge, I’d say no fricking way because he’d almost certainly get fleeced. But I have faith in Stevie Y.

Of the players mentioned in the article, I’d definitely do the deal if it was Callahan and Carter Verhaeghe (who had 34 goals and 82 points in 76 games for the Syracuse Crunch last year). In return, maybe Tampa would take something like the Wing’s 2nd-rounder (from the Islanders) and Saarijarvi and/or Hicketts and/or Givani Smith and/or whoever.

As for Callahan taking up a roster spot, he only played 52 games last year so he’s not likely to take up that spot for the whole year. And (if he’s still heathy at the time) he can be flipped for something at the trade deadline.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 05/20/19 at 07:00 PM ET

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“play the kids”
“take Callahan”

anyone see a problem here?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 05/20/19 at 07:23 PM ET

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If the extra piece isn’t good enough, which Yzerman would know,  we wouldn’t do it.

That’s the whole point here. Yzerman knows TB farm system better than he knows Detroit farm system. He will have definite knowledge of the quality of each prospect. And Callahan is one of those veterans who plays with such grit and determination that his presence could only be a good thing for our young kids.

Posted by VPalmer on 05/20/19 at 09:27 PM ET

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34 years old??  We have a few of those already.  Go with the KIDS. Over 30 yrs old is too old.

No trading AA or Mantha as suggested by TEDDY Kuflan.

Just hope the over paid , No Trade Deadwood leaves in anyway possible.

If not send the unwanted to GR to learn how to eat Hot Dogs

REBUILD right??

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 05/20/19 at 10:33 PM ET

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Because Yzerman would be using available cap space (an asset) to acquire prospect talent along with Calahan.  Could also make Glendenning as an example expendable in a trade with a Toronto for additional considerations.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod’s pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/20/19 at 04:16 PM ET

Take it a step further and retain some of Daley’s salary (say the max of 50%) and bundle him going to Tampa in exchange for a better draft pick back plus Callahan (assuming Detroit isn’t on his MNTC list—which Yzerman would know). This will free up a spot for Hronek and Cholowski. Tampa is helped as it saves cap space overall and gets back a 3rd pairing defense on a team that could lose 3 d-men to UFA. It does cost cap space to make a run at a big UFA, but does anyone think they could land one this year anyways?  It also makes Yzerman look like he’s helping Tampa get that Cup and further brandishes his reputation.

Posted by d ca on 05/21/19 at 01:02 AM ET

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Because if the Wings don’t swing this someone else surely will?  Getting Callahan plus a prospect, assuming someone else is waived, as I expect, is a good move for a team still building.

Posted by duhduhduh on 05/21/19 at 06:33 AM ET

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34 years old??  We have a few of those already.  Go with the KIDS. Over 30 yrs old is too old.

No trading AA or Mantha as suggested by TEDDY Kuflan.

Just hope the over paid , No Trade Deadwood leaves in anyway possible.

If not send the unwanted to GR to learn how to eat Hot Dogs

REBUILD right??

Posted by WingedRider from Saskatoon, SK on 05/20/19 at 11:33 PM ET

Agree. 34 years old, and has a bothersome hip. 

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 05/21/19 at 07:06 AM ET

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Is everyone seriously missing the point of this potential trade? It’s not about Callahan, it’s about using available cap space as an asset and getting a prospect in return.

Posted by George0211 on 05/21/19 at 07:08 AM ET

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If you get Callahan + prospect, but also trade a vet away, you still get Callahan blocking one of DA KIDZ, right?

Personally, I would take it. We still have to get to the cap ceiling to take advantage of LTIR. But it is indeed a 180 for the crew that wants kids to play, ya know, the ones who couldn’t make it a whole season making the jump from juniors to NHL.

Also, wouldn’t this be just another example of Holland, I mean Yzerman, having the most expensive bottom feeder?

Posted by ilovehomers on 05/21/19 at 07:18 AM ET

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The fact that Callahan may ride the pine or be injured is also not valid. If KH got buried for keeping Cleary or Witkowski in that same position, and Yzerman does the same…

Posted by ilovehomers on 05/21/19 at 07:24 AM ET

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I know Max Bultman and I trust Max Bultman.  I give this trade a strong E5.

In other words, who the hell is Max Baultman?

Posted by IwoCPO from Sunny San Diego, bitches on 05/21/19 at 07:33 AM ET

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Is everyone seriously missing the point of this potential trade?

Pretty much, yes.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/21/19 at 07:45 AM ET

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The same people that defended bringing in Vanek and Witkowski are against taking Callahan in a salary dump where they could get a prospect coming back AND have the opportunity to flip him at the deadline for another pick/prospect, who not to mention only played 50ish games last year and wouldn’t have a meaningful impact on the cap? That sounds about right.

Posted by MZ2215 on 05/21/19 at 08:20 AM ET

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further brandishes his reputation.

It would “wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat” his reputation?

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/21/19 at 08:30 AM ET

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Is everyone seriously missing the point of this potential trade? It’s not about Callahan, it’s about using available cap space as an asset and getting a prospect in return.

Posted by George0211 on 05/21/19 at 08:08 AM E

Welcome to Hey Hey Hockeytown George, where most fans don’t think beyond their nose.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/21/19 at 08:55 AM ET

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Two words.  De Fense.

Posted by WingDingy on 05/21/19 at 09:06 AM ET

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Posted by ilovehomers on 05/21/19 at 08:24 AM ET

KH Brought them in as Free Agents, nothing more.  Callahan is a trade, where the bonus for this franchise is the other assets we get to take the salary dump. 

In a perfect world we send Daley to them, while retaining salary which fills a hole that they need, which should increase the value of what they send back to us in ADDITION to Callahan.  Again in my pipe dream we would then retain some of Callahan’s salary and ship him off to someone that need a now more affordable vet for their third line.  Hopefully the same day.  Net affect?  we use cap space and get picks and prospects from 2 teams in return and a roster spot for the youth.

This team has not seen a hockey trade in forever.

Would my scenario happen, maybe not, but it seems short sighted not to look at it, just because we would (in the short term) be bring a 34 year old winger in.

If he stays he can be moved before the deadline for assets.  It also would let us look at other forwards we have to be able to maybe package and move them?

We tend to get a little to connected with our players here, in rebuilding teams everything is an asset.  Players, picks, prospects, and cap space.  For the first time in a long time cap space can be used as an asset.

To be clear, if Stevie Y was looking at this as a free agent deal, I would be just as critical as I have been of KH.

Posted by murph1jj on 05/21/19 at 10:29 AM ET

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It’s a smart move if you can get the right prospect or draft picks. The Wings need to use their salary cap space wisely and this would be the right way. The key is that they get an asset in return and the contract they are taking on is only one year.

Worst case Callahan sits in the press box most nights. Best case they get more assets by flipping him at the deadline and he is a good mentor for the younger players.

Some people are acting like Yzerman will be taking him as a favor for Tampa and get nothing in return. No. He’ll be looking at improving the team long-term by making such a move.

Posted by evileye on 05/21/19 at 12:05 PM ET

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Nice play by Mantha with forcing the turnover, outskating the Americans up ice, and the assist.

Posted by RWBill on 05/21/19 at 01:36 PM ET

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Watch what RWB… just described.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 05/21/19 at 01:39 PM ET

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The fact that Callahan may ride the pine or be injured is also not valid. If KH got buried for keeping Cleary or Witkowski in that same position, and Yzerman does the same…

Posted by ilovehomers on 05/21/19 at 08:24 AM ET

What prospects came with the Cleary and Witkowski acquisitions? None? Were they able to shed a longer term bad deal for this one year deal?  What were Cleary and Witkowski worth as trade chips?

You can “BURY YZERMAN” for making one of my described moves if he does, but you’ll look sillier than you already do.

There’s a difference between “keeping” or signing a guy back in free agency and making a trade that sheds a bad contract or brings back a pick/prospect or two.

Posted by MZ2215 on 05/21/19 at 02:25 PM ET

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If KH got buried for keeping Cleary or Witkowski in that same position, and Yzerman does the same…

In what world as those the same thing? Trading for Callahan would be a short term deal done in order to improve the prospect pool in the long term.

If Yzerman re-signs Callahan multiple times because he’s a swell guy even though his play drops off a cliff, that MIGHT be a comparison.

Or if he signs a useless lumberjack that a good GM released instead of offering a qualifying offer to, THAT might also be a comparison.

But taking on a mediocre contract in exchange for a good prospect or a pick is exactly the thing that Ken Holland didn’t do.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/21/19 at 02:49 PM ET

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  further brandishes his reputation.

It would “wave or flourish (something, especially a weapon) as a threat” his reputation?

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/21/19 at 09:30 AM ET

“It’s raining cats and dogs”

It would be “liquid water in the form of a small, typically furry, carnivorous mammal and a domesticated carnivorous mammal” ? vs pouring

Oh that’s right English has idioms.An idiom’s figurative meaning is different from the literal meaning.

In the case above means flaunts in the faces of other GM’s.

Posted by d ca on 05/22/19 at 12:13 AM ET

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Take it a step further and retain some of Daley’s salary (say the max of 50%) and bundle him going to Tampa in exchange for a better draft pick back plus Callahan (assuming Detroit isn’t on his MNTC list—which Yzerman would know). This will free up a spot for Hronek and Cholowski. Tampa is helped as it saves cap space overall and gets back a 3rd pairing defense on a team that could lose 3 d-men to UFA.

Posted by d ca on 05/21/19 at 02:02 AM ET

Tampa isn’t in that bad a situation for D. They actually have three very good Dmen returning: Hedman, McDonagh, Sergachev. Cernak produced as well last season as the three they stand to lose so he washes with one. Rutta was showing good promise with the Hawks but I’m not sure why he didn’t find more games with TB. They also have Foote coming off good season in the A. That could get them to 6 defensemen quite quickly. What they are really lacking in are guys like Bowey or Hicketts who could make an impact as a #7 and that may just be Gaunce. They also have Mason and Thomas both who have had three steady seasons in the A. Further down the line they have three guys playing in college.

All that makes me think they might go after only one UFA Dman or resign one of their three to fill a hole and leaving a smaller pie as a negotiating tactic for RFAs Point and Erne, a la Ken Holland. The next season is when they really need Callahan’s salary to go away to pay for Sergachev who will be an UFA.

If TB really wants to move Callahan, why not Vancouver who might just need his salary to get above the floor? If….Callahan wants to go to a beautiful west coast city that is thriving….

Also, why would TB want to help out Yzerman? If I was a TB fan I’d be kind of pissed about the way he left.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 05/22/19 at 01:54 AM ET

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The fact that Callahan may ride the pine or be injured is also not valid. If KH got buried for keeping Cleary or Witkowski in that same position, and Yzerman does the same…

Posted by ilovehomers on 05/21/19 at 08:24 AM ET

Yzerman has “Plot Armor” for a few seasons. I don’t see anyone turning on him even if he messes up royally the first two years. Ownership might see things differently.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 05/22/19 at 01:56 AM ET

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Because Yzerman would be using available cap space (an asset) to acquire prospect talent along with Calahan.  Could also make Glendenning as an example expendable in a trade with a Toronto for additional considerations.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod’s pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/20/19 at 04:16 PM ET

Murray, you have to look at other team’s options and needs as well. There might be a few other teams who could ask for less just to use up some cap space…..I’m looking at Vancouver in particular.

Still I get your point the Yzerman is bargaining from a place of power….which….might be another reason TB stays away from Detroit.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 05/22/19 at 02:02 AM ET

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Still I get your point the Yzerman is bargaining from a place of power….which….might be another reason TB stays away from Detroit.

It’s not that Yzerman in particular is bargaining from a place of power, it’s that Tampa Bay is bargaining from a place of weakness, no matter who they make a trade with.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/22/19 at 08:05 AM ET

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Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 05/22/19 at 03:02 AM ET
Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 05/22/19 at 09:05 AM ET

Agree with you both, the only team that has to do something is Tampa, they will be the losing side of the trade.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 05/22/19 at 10:03 AM ET

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In what world as those the same thing?

Seeing certain people try to defend KH (or threaten to BURY YZERMAN) with arguments like these really gives a glimpse into their overall understanding of how rosters are composed. To view those two scenarios as apples to apples means there’s just a general lack of cost/value comprehension.

Posted by MZ2215 on 05/22/19 at 10:08 AM ET

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