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Howard Out. How Long?

Earlier today Mike Babcock told the beat writers Jimmy Howard got banged during practice and he did not believe the injury was serious

Now Helene St. James with this...

Jimmy Howard has joined the ranks of injured Detroit Red Wings, a list that nearly rivals those who are actually healthy.

Howard practiced Wednesday morning at Tampa Bay Times Forum but left early. Within a few hours, the Wings called up Petr Mrazek to have him available Thursday against the Tampa Bay Lightning.

"Howie tweaked a knee," general manager Ken Holland told the Free Press. "He's going for tests. We don't know how serious it is. Obviously, he can't play, so we called up Mrazek."

Henrik Zetterberg, out with a herniated disc, was put on Long-Term Injured Reserve to make room for Mrazek.

Jonas Gustavsson already was tabbed to make the start against the Lightning. Howard played OK in Thursday's 3-2 shootout loss at Florida, but he's had a tough November, and this injury not only derails his attempt at regaining his footing with the Wings, it jeopardizes his shot at competing for Team USA at the Sochi Olympics.

First things first, let's hope it is not a serious injury, Howard still has time to rebound from a rough two months.

Second, can we drop the Olympic talk, it is not going to happen.

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Second, can we drop the Olympic talk, it is not going to happen.

Probably the best thing for him.

Posted by Hootinani on 12/11/13 at 05:18 PM ET

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He tweaked a knee?

That runs completely counter to all the expert reports I’ve read that something is wrong with his psyche.

Are we sure this can be trusted?

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/11/13 at 05:33 PM ET

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Second, can we drop the Olympic talk, it is not going to happen.

Considering how poorly Howard does in shootouts, might not be a great candidate for such a tournament anyway, no?

Posted by SK77 on 12/11/13 at 05:33 PM ET

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Starting to remind me of the season Howard took the reigns from Osgood.  Ozzie struggled, then got hurt, and never got back in rhythm.

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/11/13 at 05:42 PM ET

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This is an interesting comparison to Osgood. In 2009, Osgood had just played great to help win the 2008 Cup. I believe it started getting into his head about being a hall of famer and that he wanted to go out and prove he really was that great. I think that 2008 Cup made him both arrogant about his abilities and also made him begin focusing on his legacy as an NHLer. He struggled all season and performed well enough in the playoffs to get to game 7 of the finals.

Howard, I believe, had this Olympics thing in his mind all season. I think every loss he’s taken has furthered a downward spiral that’s been going on for him, mentally. I wonder if he’s as tough as he seems to be - hard-worker, determined, steady - or if this is the thing that finally got into his mind and got between his game and his brain.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 12/11/13 at 05:46 PM ET

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I knew we had a few pharmacists around these parts, but had no idea that we were now attracting clinical psychologists.

Wow, the things one can learn on the Internet.

Posted by dougie on 12/11/13 at 05:52 PM ET

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Meh…the last time Howard got hurt and was out for a while…he seemed to reset and came back much better…ala Ericsson last year.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 12/11/13 at 06:12 PM ET

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I’m not at all worried about Howard’s ability to bounce back from this.

Posted by Garth on 12/11/13 at 06:20 PM ET

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me neither.

also, ozzie talks a lot on the FSD broadcasts about how by 2009 he knew he was just getting older and losing his form.

Posted by Chet from twitter: thegansen on 12/11/13 at 06:34 PM ET

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I believe Osgood came down with a very similar malady when he was in a mental slump, too.

Strange.

Oh well, as long as it works.

Posted by Red Winger from Sault Ste Marie on 12/11/13 at 06:41 PM ET

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Anyone else going to the game tomorrow?

Posted by Hockeyful on 12/11/13 at 07:32 PM ET

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Whether or not Howard missing time ends up being a detriment to the team is yet to be determined.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/11/13 at 07:45 PM ET

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It would be better for the Wings if Howard and Zetterberg do not go to the Olympics.

Posted by w2j2 on 12/11/13 at 08:51 PM ET

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Starting to remind me of the season Howard took the reigns from Osgood.

The difference now is that back then we were worried that Ozzie was headed out and Jimmah was a bust. At least this time we have the Monster playing well and a future star in Mrazek backing him up. Hopefully they play great and re-focus Howie on the WIngs and not team USA.

Posted by BrendonR on 12/11/13 at 09:02 PM ET

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The difference now is that back then we were worried that Ozzie was headed out and Jimmah was a bust. At least this time we have the Monster playing well and a future star in Mrazek backing him up. Hopefully they play great and re-focus Howie on the WIngs and not team USA.

We’ll, I don’t see how we get Mrazek to hang around till he’s 26 waiting for Jimmy to finish his contract. I wonder how Detroit will manage that.

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/11/13 at 09:16 PM ET

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We’ll, I don’t see how we get Mrazek to hang around till he’s 26 waiting for Jimmy to finish his contract. I wonder how Detroit will manage that.

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/11/13 at 08:16 PM ET

Howard was 25/26 when he took the reigns in net from Ozzie.

Are you suggesting that Mrázek needs special privileges?

Posted by SK77 on 12/11/13 at 09:39 PM ET

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I think Mrazek will mature younger.

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/11/13 at 09:43 PM ET

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I think Mrazek will mature younger.

Posted by MoreShoot on 12/11/13 at 08:43 PM ET

Excellent. Howard and Mrázek will make a great tandem then, allowing the Wings to go with whoever is on a roll.

Posted by SK77 on 12/11/13 at 10:12 PM ET

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Whether or not Howard missing time ends up being a detriment to the team is yet to be determined.

Gunshy about stating your opinion as fact ever since you were dead wrong about Gustav Nyquist?

Posted by Garth on 12/11/13 at 10:21 PM ET

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Gunshy about stating your opinion as fact ever since you were dead wrong about Gustav Nyquist?

Look guys, Mrazek isn’t going to solve all of the wings problems like you all clearly keep saying.  He may provide secondary scoring and better defensive zone play with the puck but he’s not going to make the plane fly faster even a little.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 12/12/13 at 04:00 AM ET

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“You” apparently don’t have any understanding about what my position on Nyquist actually was, which isn’t terribly surprising given the rather tenuous relationship with the truth some employ here in order to take thoughtless rhetorical cheap shots.

It was not that he wouldn’t help, it was that his presence or absence wasn’t something which would tip the scales of the teams destiny noticeably in either direction to the point where Holland should be pilloried for having Cleary here over him for 20ish games.

He had 4 points in his first four games, which was great.  He’s now had 3 in his last 6, which is less great.  He has 21 shots through 10 games, which is less great.  He’s not helping the PP at all (no points), he doesn’t play the PK.  The only game you can say he really shifted was his first game.  Since then he’s been competent, but his production has come at stat-padding times rather than terribly necessary ones.

By the end of the year he’ll be on the 15ish goal 40ish point per 82 game pace I figured he’d be at.  He’s a useful player who should be somewhere on Detroit’s middle six… just not someone who should be lionized.

A little bit of perspective, as usual, would not go amiss.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/12/13 at 04:56 AM ET

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which isn’t terribly surprising given the rather tenuous relationship with the truth some employ here in order to take thoughtless rhetorical cheap shots.

You really should change your avatar to a black pot.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/12/13 at 09:01 AM ET

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It was not that he wouldn’t help, it was that his presence or absence wasn’t something which would tip the scales of the teams destiny noticeably in either direction to the point where Holland should be pilloried for having Cleary here over him for 20ish games.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 12/12/13 at 03:56 AM ET

I think your points are often demonized just because you wrote them and I don’t always think you’re off base. But in this case, I think that is a crutch for you to now adopt the position that before, you just the lone rational voice in the room full of people expecting Nyquist to be the savior. The fact of the matter is, most people who wanted Nyquist here believed (and explained to you numerous times) that what we’ve seen so far is what we expected. So we weren’t wrong. But now you paint the picture as though 30 days ago, you were the only one with a reasonable expectation for Nyquist while the rest of us were expecting Zetterberg 2.0.

Anyways, you can spin this however you want, but I want to point out that if you are now saying you only had reasonable expectations for him and so far he has met your expectations, I guess we have somehow agreed this whole time. So apparently it wasn’t the Nyquist supporters who didn’t understand your point of view but it was you who didn’t understand our point of view.

Posted by VitoLambruski on 12/12/13 at 11:16 AM ET

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It would be better for the Wings if Howard and Zetterberg do not go to the Olympics.
Posted by w2j2 on 12/11/13 at 07:51 PM ET

As a Wings fan I’d be happy if none of the Red Wings went to the Olympics. Great chance to rest.

Posted by Vladimir16 from Grand River Valley on 12/12/13 at 11:39 AM ET

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Mrazek isn’t going to solve all of the wings problems like you all clearly keep saying.  He may provide secondary scoring and better defensive zone play with the puck but he’s not going to make the plane fly faster even a little.

a goalie is going to provide secondary scoring and better defensive zone play?  interesting.

Posted by PaulinMiamiBeach on 12/12/13 at 01:07 PM ET

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Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 12/12/13 at 01:20 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Good god.

Posted by RWBill from the open bar on The Hasek. on 12/12/13 at 01:34 PM ET

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Howard told the beat writers he thinks he will be out 1-2 weeks, hurt his knee while making a save on Cleary.

MRI Friday.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/12/13 at 01:36 PM ET

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Howard told the beat writers he thinks he will be out 1-2 weeks, hurt his knee while making a save on Cleary.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 12/12/13 at 12:36 PM ET

Cleary signing worth its weight in gold right there. No Russia for you, Jimmah.

Posted by SK77 on 12/12/13 at 01:39 PM ET

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Thanks, J.J.  I really didn’t want to have to explain that.

Posted by shanetx from Floydada, Texas on 12/12/13 at 03:42 PM ET

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