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There’s just no way Yzerman would do that to Tampa, especially with how he’s only raved about the owners there and how they helped take care of the team.  I don’t think I’d want them to do it, either…it’ll bite you in the butt some day.

Posted by TreKronor on 11/24/20 at 02:46 PM ET

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Sergachev certainly is an upward trajectory after the SCFs.  He made a helluvan impression.  He played a similar game to Hedman even carrying the puck around and below the goalline leaving the Steers in confounded confuzzlements on how to counter it.  That’s like an extra forward on the play.

I’d offer serious money to keep him in TBL.  That franchise is well built.

Posted by SYF from impossible and oddly communally possessive sluts on 11/24/20 at 06:05 PM ET

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Draft busts alone I would never send a 1st, 2nd, and 3rd draft pick for him. Or a 1st and a 3rd round draft pick. Also not one person on this roster should be making more than Larkin per year. He is the precedent like Lidstrom’s contract was for so many years.

Posted by Probie4Prez on 11/24/20 at 07:18 PM ET

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Probie say what you will about our future captain - he’s a great player and a great person, but he’s a borderline first-line player when you look at comparable teams’ first-line centers.  Sure he had a breakout year in 2019-20, but other than that his numbers could have been 2nd line center material.

Not saying I don’t love him as our first-line center, I’m sure he’s still got upside, but I don’t think he should be the cap on who gets paid what like Nick was…

Posted by Hippy Dave from Somewhere West of Detroit on 11/24/20 at 07:39 PM ET

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Better to focus on acquiring draft piks to help the rebuild than to give up draft picks.

Offer-sheeting someone is for the team that is good right now AND has cap space. The team that could use a boost right now and can overpay and can also afford to lose early-round draft picks in order to get better now.

It’s not for teams that are, realistically, several years from being in the playoffs, much less being contenders.

The Wings are probably five years from being anything resembling “good” and the longest contract they can tender is seven years, which means they’re going to overpay for five years and then maybe get a couple years with him when they “good”, assuming that he would sign a maximum-length contract with by far the worst team in the league.

It makes sense for a team like Boston, aside from the fact that the writer cuts corners in order to make it more palatable for the Bruins. Offer-sheets (unless they’re tendered by Marc Bergevin) are overpayments designed to make it difficult for the “victimized” team to match, so going a little bit over market value for someone the writer desrcibes as “future No 1 written all over him” isn’t going to cut it, especially when you’re talking about a team that just won the Cup.

Also, you have to consider that a $6.5M contract in Boston (and in most places other than Vegas or with the Panthers) is worth less than a $6.5M contract in Florida is, so if you’re Boston (or Detroit FWIW) you probably have to start at $7.5 or $8M to even start the conversation.

And then, of course, you’ve got a $7.5M or $8M player who up-to-now has played second-pairing, sheltered minutes but you’re going to put him on the first pair because he has to replace Torey Krug and you’re paying him first-pairing money so he should g*ddamn well be playing first-pairing minutes,and then when he doesn’t immediately have a Norris-worthy season he’s a nearly-ten-percent-of-your-cap noose around your neck.

Oh, yeah, and also now the Bruins are over the cap with an RFA they need to sign or trade and replace.

As a Red Wings fan, I think the Bruins should definitely take this route.

Although I’ll be honest, I would love it if Boston offer-sheeted Sergachev, then Tampa Bay immediately matched, and then Boston offer-sheeted Cirelli or Cernak. That would be fun, and I can’t imagine a better team to do something like that.

And then when all is said and done, I figure that Yzerman ends up with Tyler Johnson and Tampa Bay’s first rounder in 21 or 22.

Posted by PresidentJoeByzerman on 11/24/20 at 10:21 PM ET

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Nope he’s not a generational talent that justifies both the cap hit of the contract plus the compensation in picks, including a top 10 and likely 15 the year after. Would rather us wait until we have a better roster, and overspend on an UFA dman if that’s what we have to do, or trade that top 10 pick for one keeping the others.

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 11/25/20 at 09:50 AM ET

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99% of offer sheets are matched anyway so besides burning the relationship bridges , they don’t accomplish much.

Posted by VPalmer on 11/25/20 at 10:52 AM ET

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Posted by VPalmer on 11/25/20 at 10:52 AM ET

While I agree with you historically,  as most were pre-cap and/or in the mid to lower range in terms of salary, I would also counter to say that Tampa is in a cap position that few have been in in terms of having an RFA offer, and already has to move 1-2 players and pay in picks to do so. 

If they are put in a position to have to match say an $8.6MM 7 year deal (just under the top tier), or walk with a top 10 1st rounder, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd, well I’m not so sure that likelihood is 99%.

Here’s something to consider if Boston does try it, or this gets dragged out Tampa’s hand is forced. 

Could Yzerman swing some sort of package where he gets Sergachev and takes Johnson or Kilhorn, solves the Bolts cap problem, in exchange for

2nd round pick (we have 3 in 2021), which will be about 5-10 spots away from where Boston would pick anyway, and Cholowski and Schevkov to give them cheap bodies that don’t appear to be panning out here and give their GM a headline of getting 2 former 1st round picks.  I think that works out very well for both sides, but Tampa has to pushed into that corner to do it,  I don’t see how they’re getting out of this cap mess though, with the NMCs they have in place.  Maybe another thought if Tampa isn’t pushed, would swapping Lindstrom for Cholo make a difference, and Helm as well if we can eat 50% of his salary. I’d do it.

 

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 11/25/20 at 01:10 PM ET

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