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Examining Tyler Johnson To Detroit

This topic was discussed a few months ago and if my memory is still good, I believe the majority of you were against any kind of deal bring Tyler Johnson to Detroit.  Johnson's AAV is $5M through the 2023-24 season.

from Lyle Richardson of Spector's Hockey,

Johnson would be a tough sell that could end up costing the Lightning more than they’d like to part with in terms of a sweetener since they can’t afford to take back salary. It’ll be a tricky bit of juggling for Lightning GM Julien BriseBois.

Perhaps BriseBois could attempt to move Johnson for a permanent LTIR contract from another club thus providing sufficient wiggle room to re-sign Cirelli and Cernak and remain cap compliant. Some readers have suggested swinging a deal with the Detroit Red Wings to acquire the contract of all-but-retired center Henrik Zetterberg and his $6.083 million cap hit.

Wings general manager Steve Yzerman is the Lightning’s former GM and BriseBois’ mentor so there could be a fit there. However, Yzerman might not be keen to take on Johnson’s contract when he’s still got Frans Nielsen on his books for two more years at $5.25 million per season.

more on Tampa needing to make a move or two to become cap compliant...

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I hope not- just have Tampa call Kenny in Edmonton and I’m sure there will be a fit for a bad contract there.

Posted by SevensForTed on 11/27/20 at 09:20 AM ET

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Johnson for Filpula. Two wrongs make a right… Or something.

Posted by TreKronor on 11/27/20 at 09:31 AM ET

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The Lightning are going to have to do a lot more than just trade Johnson if they plan on keeping their other RFAs.

Conservatively, Cirelli and Cernak probably sign for at least $5M combined, which puts the Lightning over the cap by $7M with only 21 players on roster. That means the have to clear about $10M in order to be able to fill a roster, even if all the rest of the openings are filled by players on ELCs.

There’s still no reason to help Tampa until the sweeteners get really, really, cavity-inducingly sweet.

Posted by PresidentJoeByzerman on 11/27/20 at 10:19 AM ET

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Johnson and Stamkos?

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerHolland2.0's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 11/27/20 at 11:26 AM ET

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They’d have to convince Stamkos to accept a trade, and from what I hear, he is not on board with the idea. It would be nice, though.

Posted by MikeO on 11/27/20 at 11:42 AM ET

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via Eric Duhatschek of The Athletic ($$$),

The obvious first landing place for any of Tampa’s salary-cap headaches is Detroit, run by Steve Yzerman, the former Lightning GM, and the manager responsible for many of the contracts currently on Tampa’s books. For those who don’t follow it closely, Tampa has three middle of the lineup forwards with no-trade clauses (Ondrej Palat, Yanni Gourde and Tyler Johnson) and a fourth, Alex Killorn, with a modified no-trade. Of the four, the Lightning presumably value Palat the most. Truthfully, all four are probably overpaid for what they’re producing, which becomes a greater issue in a flat cap world. I see Palat as a likely survivor of the salary-cap purge to come. Johnson is 30, has four years left at $5 million and was waived earlier this year (and there were no takers). So, you’ll need both a sweetener to move his contract and permission from the players’ camp. Complicated, but not impossible.

In a perfect world, I would try to move not just one, but two of the remaining contract headaches (preferably Johnson and Killorn) to Detroit, and be prepared to surrender both a first-round pick and a quality young player to get the Red Wings to bite. Detroit would probably jump on that deal if that quality young player were Cernak, who is highly valued around the NHL. Tampa obviously wouldn’t want to pay that high a price. Sometimes, as an organization, you’re trapped and have to make hard choices. By solving all your financial problems in one fell swoop, you take your medicine, but you also create the necessary flexibility to operate with a little breathing room, as you pursue a Stanley Cup defence.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 11/27/20 at 05:01 PM ET

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Johnson for Filpula. Two wrongs make a right… Or something.

Posted by TreKronor on 11/27/20 at 09:31 AM ET

Two Wright’s made an airplane…. wink

I’m not really thrilled with taking on Johnson…

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!!

Posted by Kate from PA now in SC-made in Detroit on 11/28/20 at 10:59 AM ET

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Detroit would probably jump on that deal if that quality young player were Cernak,

No doubt, Detroit would definitely jump at adding $10M in middle-six forwards and an RFA they would still need to re-sign, because what does the last place team in the league want more than to be millions over the salary cap?

Posted by PresidentJoeByzerman on 11/28/20 at 11:41 AM ET

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Johnson’s AAV is $5M through the 2023-24 season.

What’s being lost is: he has a full NTC. July 1, 2018 – June 15, 2021. Then from June 15, 2021 - June 30, 2024: player submits a 20 team trade list.

The team waived him—which is different from a NTC. He can stop any trade. Remember Florida is a tax friendly state which means -$204,375 in taxes per year if he came to Detroit. Source: capfriendly That’s not pocket change.

From Detroit’s perspective, Johnson is alleged to have certain behavioral issues that won’t inspire confidence from other players wives and girlfriends. Google: tyler johnson jimmy kimmel if you don’t know.

Beyond the locker room cancer. His actual play on the ice is already in decline and expected to decline at a faster rate than most players because of the style game he plays. There is a reason why Tampa wants to get rid of him first. He doesn’t make the most money of middle six forwards—but he always gets brought up 1st as the player to move (there is a reason why).

The Lightning can’t afford to eat 1/2 of his contract which would then put his production in line with his cap hit. So they would have to beef up the assets they gave up for someone to take him as a cap dump. He went unclaimed on waivers so his min value is established (as less than the waiver cost amount—the prices are set out in Article 13.16 (a) of the CBA and range from $3,375 US to $90,000).

So the question for Detroit becomes how much compensation.

For me any one of:
Stamkos

or Cirelli

or Cernak plus a 1st

or Cal Foote plus a 1st and a 2nd

or a combination of multiple 1st’s and 2nd’s.

Otherwise—no…

Tampa is in the weakest bargain position ever…Already 2M over the cap with 2 quality RFA that need 4.5M-7M in cap space with a Cup window that can only shrink.

Posted by d ca on 11/29/20 at 05:03 PM ET

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His actual play on the ice is already in decline and expected to decline at a faster rate than most players because of the style game he plays.

I’m 100% with you there.

The Staal deal was great because it’s a decent pick and a one-year contract. Yzerman doesn’t want to start loading up on more big, mediocre contract just as he’s getting rid of all the ones Holland left him.

As for this?

Google: tyler johnson jimmy kimmel if you don’t know.

I did.

Johnson is a locker room cancer because a woman claimed to have had sex with him? That’s all it says. SHE cheated on HER boyfriend, it doesn’t say that Johnson cheated on anyone, or that Johnson knew she had a boyfriend, much less what you seem to be implying, which is that he even knew the boyfriend.

He was a 25-year old single guy in Florida, it’s not scandalous that he had sex with someone and it doesn’t in any way mean that he’s going to start plowing his teammates’ wives or girlfriends.

Grow up.

Posted by PresidentJoeByzerman on 11/29/20 at 10:09 PM ET

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He was a 25-year old single guy in Florida, it’s not scandalous that he had sex with someone and it doesn’t in any way mean that he’s going to start plowing his teammates’ wives or girlfriends.

Grow up.

Posted by PresidentJoeByzerman on 11/29/20 at 10:09 PM ET

Actually….he wasn’t a 25-year old single guy at the time. His significant other was an ER nurse in Florida. Rumor was they opened an IV and wellness bar with his money and her labor. This came out. They are no longer together. She moved to Denver at the end of 2016 and is now a pharma rep.

Just because you don’t have all the knowledge and someone else is only sharing what is publicly available doesn’t make their point not valid…

I never said wives and gf’s should watch out…I surmised they wouldn’t want their husband/bf’s hanging out with someone that would be capable of doing what was publicly alleged. If you don’t think the players treatment of women as playthings is not a huge issue for the NHL: you haven’t seen the current pressure of front office placement or what kind of pressure the league put on the Capitals and Panthers after Brendan Leipsic and Jack Rodewald’s comments came out.

...and all that is before anyone considers him a small (5’8” by some accounts), rapidly-aging (ice time is diminishing), slowing, lineup hole plugger of a middle-six player. And all that doesn’t even get to the worst parts: his cap hit and term.

Detroit would be wise to stay away unless the sweetner coming back is so irresistible. That is and always will be my point.

...and I could do without the personal attack. You may not like what I said about a player but it is a valid none-the-less.

Posted by d ca on 12/03/20 at 02:21 AM ET

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