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Do You Want Mike Green?

With new management in place, the Washington Capitals may want to strengthen their defensive play and may think about moving Mike Green.

He will be on his final year of a contract with a cap hit of just over $6M.

If he is available, would he be a fit for the Wings?

He does shoot from the right side, would be a great PP addition but his defensive side is at times a liability.

If you say yes, what would you give up for Green?

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I would take him, not sure he’s worth 6million a year though. Seems like the price for Defenseman is just going to keep increasing. Maybe Holland and co. need to just bite the bullet and sign Niskanen, green etc…

Posted by Pasha1277 on 05/27/14 at 01:28 PM ET

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Trade Franzen - even swap?

Posted by redxblack from Akron Ohio on 05/27/14 at 01:31 PM ET

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Yes, but I’d be willing to give up next to nothing for him due to his cap number.  I think a shrewd trade would be Kindl for Green straight up, as it would give the Caps office the opportunity to pretend they didn’t just give away Green for nothing so they wouldn’t have to (over)pay him, as they could claim Kindl’s a “young player with upside” who’s a ‘former Red Wings #1”... buzzphrases weak-minded fan bases lap up like honey.

From Detroit’s side it gets them away from Kindl, who has sucked for around 80% of his time up in Detroit (the exception being the 2012-13 postseason and the month run up), and it’s a decent fallback position if the UFA season goes poorly… which being a UFA season it almost certainly won’t meet expectations around these parts.  Green’s a reclamation project, but Detroit’s A#1 weakness post Lidstrom (and Rafalski) has been offense from the blue line.  Green may be a bridge answer to that while the younger players rev up (although I am certain the front line pushback will be something along the lines of ‘OH MY GOD HE’S STEALING TIME FROM THE PROSPECTS!!!11!1!’), but it’s really dangerous to bet too heavily guys like Oulette or Almquist or Sproul or Marachenko or Backman are going to be able to step in and provide solid NHL-level offensive play from the jump.

The far smarter move is to get a legit offensive vet in (like Green, but there are other options), which still leaves 3 or 4 slots on the blue line assuming Quincey’s gone.  Then if Green sucks there are some options, and if Green is good the prospects have some time to grow without being critical to the teams success.

Posted by HockeyinHD on 05/27/14 at 01:36 PM ET

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Trade Franzen - even swap?

I think a shrewd trade would be Kindl for Green straight up

We gave up how much for Legwand and the trade proposals from the armchairs are Franzen or Kindl straight up? Whoever wants Green can have him, he won’t be worth what the Capitals will be asking.

Posted by weswolverine on 05/27/14 at 02:03 PM ET

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No.

Posted by SK77 on 05/27/14 at 02:08 PM ET

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-16 last season, and a combined -8 the last 4 seasons.  Yep, that’s a Dman I want on my team.

If we had 2 or 3 really rock-solid Dmen already which we could pair him with so he can be the “risky” one of the two, it’s worth at least considering.  But we’ve already got a risk taker with Smith, and it kills defense.

Posted by TreKronor on 05/27/14 at 02:16 PM ET

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We gave up how much for Legwand and the trade proposals from the armchairs are Franzen or Kindl straight up?

Not that I think Kindl straight up is anything resembling a legit idea, the difference is that the Red Wings were dealing from a place of desperation with Legwand -what with having no NHL centres at the time and a tenuous grasp at a playoff spot- and it would be the Caps trying to unload someone.

Why is it so difficult for people to understand that?

Posted by Garth on 05/27/14 at 02:33 PM ET

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We gave up how much for Legwand and the trade proposals from the armchairs are Franzen or Kindl straight up?

Just because Holland got bamboozled doesn’t mean that’s the marketplace.  In fact, no other team gave up even half of what Holland did for far better players who are, in fact, still playing right now.

Green for Kindl makes perfect sense for both teams due to their cap hits.  You could also go Green for one of the lower level d prospects and a 3rd rounder in 2015 if you wanted.  Green for Franzen doesn’t make any sense for the Wings, but I’m sure Washington would love Holland to offer it.  Let’s hope he doesn’t get bamboozled again.

Posted by jkm2011 on 05/27/14 at 02:36 PM ET

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Why is it so difficult for people to understand that?

I do understand that. Now please understand that there is no basis for what Paul wrote. He put this up there to get some comments and discussion from the board.

Washington wouldn’t need to dump Green’s salary just for the sake of dumping his salary. They have nearly 15 million to spend even with him there. If they would consider this, they are going to lure him out there to see what will bite, and guess what, there are a lot of desperate teams that will offer a lot more than Kindl.

Posted by weswolverine on 05/27/14 at 02:55 PM ET

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there are a lot of desperate teams that will offer a lot more than Kindl.

amen to that. but even if that weren’t the case, I’d rather have Dan Boyle for free for around the same term and probably less money. Unless we’re talking blockbuster for true top-2, Norris contending d-man, we are simply looking for a stopgap and we might as well sign one of those rather than trade for one. hell, even for the sake of argument the Wings want to get rid of Kindl AND the Cap would trade Green straight up, I’d still rather sign Boyle for free and trade Kindl for draft pick or prospect.

Posted by perfection from LaLaLand on 05/27/14 at 03:50 PM ET

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We gave up how much for Legwand

A garbage forward, a #3, and Jarnkrok (a #2).  Not, in reality, a whole lot… and keep in mind Legwand was a far more established, reasonably-paid player than Green was/is.  Green’s been struggling in Washington for three years, while Legwand was Nashville’s leading scorer when Detroit got him.

Washington wouldn’t need to dump Green’s salary just for the sake of dumping his salary. They have nearly 15 million to spend even with him there.

I don’t think anyone said Washington needed to dump salary.  At least, what I said was that moving Green gets the contracts off the books, and getting Kindl provides some plausible cover for the move to not look like a salary dump.  For Washington, moving Green has less to do with needing to clear cap space than it does with having to retool their system and blue-line.

but even if that weren’t the case, I’d rather have Dan Boyle for free for around the same term and probably less money.

I would too, but I don’t think this move precludes that one.  Get Green, move Kindl, land Boyle (or Niskanen, Markov, Zidlicky, Meszaros…), and there’s still room for a kid or two along with Kronwall, E, Dekeyser, and Smith.

 

Posted by HockeyinHD on 05/27/14 at 07:27 PM ET

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The Red Wings should not be allowed to trade with the Caps. STFU about Ciccarelli..or I will send you to a pub in Alexandria, VA and beat you until you are forced to say anyone traded by the Wings to the Capitals is worthless to the pub’s own. Who then will start beating you even more senselessly…(ps if you’re ever on King St there it is a good place to eat with some excellent hockey decor).

Mike Green is the perfect example….

Green was drafted with Detroit’s pick. The pick the Caps got for having someone actually pay for Robert Lang’s services. Yes, that Robert Lang.

Anyone remember that trade? The details sound familiar: the Wings needed a top six forward for a playoff push as injuries had forced them to use AHL players (Mowers and Bootland being the “best” call-ups they used). So they made a trade-deadline move and sent Tomas Fleischmann (a talented prospect at the time), plus 2 draft picks (1st and a 3rd. The 3rd was for 2 years later and the pick, Luke Lynes, never panned out much like Robert Lang scoring more than 20 goals with the Wings despite leading the league in scoring when they acquired him).

Posted by d ca on 05/28/14 at 12:20 AM ET

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I hate to be defending Robert Lang, but he had a 50 and 60 point season, and in ‘04 and ‘06 was one of the only forwards that even bothered showing up for the playoffs. The lockout likely tanked another 50 - 60 point, and 20 goal season. It’s easy to criticize that trade in hindsight, but it was a perfectly sensible trade for a team that was perpetually on the cusp of Cup contention at that time.

Posted by Nathan from the scoresheet! on 05/28/14 at 07:34 AM ET

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Posted by SK77 on 05/27/14 at 03:08 PM ET

+19, no, +19,000.

+/- frequently is derided as a stat. However, I think it’s an important one for any defenseman, particularly one billed as an offensive defenseman. After nine seasons, Green is only a +43. Four of his nine seasons ended with a minus. After six playoff seasons, Green is a -1. His defensive skills have allegedly improved, but one would not know that from his -16 this past season.

IMO, Green was a manufactured “star.” Rather than use an actual star (like the Swedish born Niklas Lidstrom), the NHL forced Green down our throats (and those of NHL sponsors). Fortunately, the writers saw through the hype machine and never awarded him the Norris Trophy. Yes, he can move the puck out of the zone better than most, but that assumes his lack of defensive skills had not already lead to a goal.

He is not worth $6mil per season. He is definitely not worth $6mil and being able to walk away after one season as a UFA. We haven’t even hit the pre-season and we’re already talking about rent-a-players?

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 05/29/14 at 11:47 AM ET

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Mike Green is not the steadying, reliable veteran presence the Wings need on the blueline, one that can eat minutes and not be a liability

Mike Green is Brendan Smith with a $6m AAV.

Posted by Primis on 05/29/14 at 03:14 PM ET

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Arena Corinthians

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Way to go, Herm!

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 06/12/14 at 02:35 PM ET

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Bugsy’s has pretty good pizza in Alexandria.  Not as good as Buddy’s, but few are.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 06/14/14 at 05:18 PM ET

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