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from Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News,

The Red Wings addressed that over the weekend at the NHL Draft. Of their 11 picks overall – they acquired an extra pick Saturday in Buffalo – they selected five defensemen, including three of their first four overall selections.

The five defensemen collectively have good size – something, it appears, many organizations took account of watching St. Louis’ and Boston’s big bodies in the Stanley Cup Finals.

“As a staff, we identified this as being a pretty deep draft defensively,” said Tyler Wright, the Wings’ director of amateur scouting. “I don’t think we’re quite in a position where we have to start really picking by position. It just happened to be that defense was kind of top-heavy in this draft.

“You watch the playoffs and you see the size of these guys with St. Louis and Boston being in there – that doesn’t mean they’re just big.”

Meaning, size with skill. And the Wings are optimistic they picked some big bodies who can do a variety of things.

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from Helene St. James of the Detroit Free Press,

Hakan Andersson, the Wings’ director of European scouting, shared anecdotes about both Albert Johansson and Albin Grewe after the Wings wrapped up the 2019 NHL draft having made 11 selections. Antti Tuomisto headlined Saturday’s haul as the Wings chose him 35th overall, selecting a second straight big defenseman who shoots right.

“This is a guy that’s 6-foot-5 and plays with a real bite to his game,” director of amateur scouting Tyler Wright said. “He’s got good sense. He can find the middle of the ice. We really liked him. We’d targeted him for a while at 35.”

Andersson described Tuomisto as a very good skater with a bit of a bite to his game.

“We all liked him,” Andersson said. “Tyler certainly had a little bit of a crush on him. He’s got some physical game in him, and he also has a very heavy, good shot.”

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And as a staff, they have been terrible at identifying good defensemen, so thats worrisome.

Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 06/23/19 at 04:17 PM ET

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from Ted Kulfan of the Detroit News,

Forward Albin Grewe, 18, the Wings’ third-round pick, could eventually be a player Wings fans love – and opponents and opposing fans hate.

Grewe (6-0, 182 pounds) has said he patterns his game after Boston’s Brad Marchand, a noted pest.

“Albin Grewe is an outstanding competitor,” Andersson said. “I can see how he pictures himself after Brad Marchand. He’s very competitive. Out of the Europeans, probably the most competitive player in the whole draft – and in many years, I would say.”

Andersson recounted a story of a Swedish team that Grewe played on.

“The senior coach in Djurgarden, a top team in the senior league, one of the better ones, said, ‘I didn’t realize it until I started to look around, but every time this kid (Grewe) came up and practiced with the men’s team, the whole intensity of the practice, the physical part of the practice, would go up,’” Andersson said. “At first, he didn’t know why. Then he realized every time this kid came up, he just brought the whole pace up.”

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Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/23/19 at 05:14 PM ET

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This draft really feels that it has Hakan’s name all over it. Was there, like, one NA skater drafted. I think if this draft is a blunder then we might be able to point the finger (your choice as to which one) at Hakan.

A serious question, how many of these 11 need to be regular NHLers for us to say this was a successful draft?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 06/23/19 at 07:12 PM ET

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I hope the aggressiveness is not the kind of asset that can be easily “figured out”. Tampa, too, seemed to have a lot of energy in short-distance sprints of a round-robin league but got completely debunked in a long-distance run with Columbus.

Posted by tutoka from Leelanau Peninsula on 06/23/19 at 07:40 PM ET

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Was there, like, one NA skater drafted.

There were two Americans (Robert Mastrosimone (LW) and Cooper Moore (D)), and two Canadians (Ethan Phillips (C) and Carter Gylander (G)). Other than that, we had four Swedes, a Finn, a Russian, and our first round German selection.

I would very much agree that this was a Hakan Andersson draft, for sure.

Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 06/23/19 at 07:41 PM ET

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“Don’t reads the comments,don’t read the comments,don’t read the comments”. Breath in, breath out.

Posted by VFUSION on 06/23/19 at 09:02 PM ET

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serious question, how many of these 11 need to be regular NHLers for us to say this was a successful draft?

3 would make me very happy. Normally I’d hope for 2 but with 11 picks you really have to hope 3 pan out.

Posted by TreKronor on 06/23/19 at 09:31 PM ET

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Three would be a blessing, but highly unlikely.

Posted by WingDingy on 06/23/19 at 11:10 PM ET

RWBill's avatar

Howe, this has Yzerman’s fingerprints all over it.

Posted by RWBill on 06/23/19 at 11:30 PM ET

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I hope the aggressiveness is not the kind of asset that can be easily “figured out”. Tampa, too, seemed to have a lot of energy in short-distance sprints of a round-robin league but got completely debunked in a long-distance run with Columbus.

Huh? I thought Tampa did well in the 82-game marathon, winning 62 of them. Then they got debunked in a short-track meeting.

Posted by german_wing from Toronto, Canada on 06/24/19 at 12:38 AM ET

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And as a staff, they have been terrible at identifying good defensemen, so thats worrisome.
Posted by Hootinani from the parade following Babs out of town on 06/23/19 at 04:17 PM ET

You are thinking of the Jim Nill staff, when he left he took them with him, and the drafts have gotten better since.

This draft really feels that it has Hakan’s name all over it. Was there, like, one NA skater drafted. I think if this draft is a blunder then we might be able to point the finger (your choice as to which one) at Hakan.
I would very much agree that this was a Hakan Andersson draft, for sure.
Posted by Alan from Atlanta on 06/23/19 at 07:41 PM ET

A serious question, how many of these 11 need to be regular NHLers for us to say this was a successful draft?

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 06/23/19 at 07:12 PM ET

Ahhhhhhhhh that’s a big no boys, this is the Yzerplan no deflections nor tips in front, heavy is the head that wears the crown, these picks are on him, great, good bad or indifferent.  That’s especially true for the 1st four rounds at least, maybe you get back to the later rounds, your taking more flyers on your scouts picks, but he owns at least the top 5 picks in this draft. 

I set a “success” bar of 2 NHL players, 1 in the top 3 D or top 6 Forwards. That said, we had 11 picks, #6 and 3 2nd rounders, we should have a top pair guy to be successful.

 

Posted by MurrayChadwick from YzerGod's pixie dust fueled bandwagon on 06/24/19 at 08:35 AM ET

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If Seider doesn’t turn into a top 4 guy, this draft will be a huge failure.
We used a number #6 pick to take a defenseman.  if he doesn’t turn into an every day NHL’er, then we $hit the bed with this draft.  That kid we took at 35 better be an NHL’er too.

Posted by Matt_in_MI on 06/24/19 at 10:42 AM ET

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Murray, me too. Two out of 11 seems about right. I could see three from this draft, but, none of these guys were players I had heard about being picked by Detroit, but all I had going into this draft were rumors.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 06/24/19 at 11:38 AM ET

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If Seider doesn’t turn into a top 4 guy, this draft will be a huge failure.

So, if the other ten picks end being a #1 and #2 centre, three top-six wingers, four top-pairing D and a Vezina-winning goalie, the draft will be a failure?

That seems like not a complete overreaction at all.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 06/24/19 at 12:24 PM ET

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I think ultimately making bold choices in the draft and go for many high risk and high potential picks is what one has to do to maximize the big number of players the Wings is drafting the last few years.

There’s no way 9-10-11 players will go to Grand Rapids to mature every year… You need to search for the high potential players and make the bet taking the risk of many not making it in 2 years. You can focus more on players like the small but very skilled Russian drafted in the 7th round or that huge Swedish defender in the 6th…
Teams with 5 or 6 picks need to be a bit more conservative not to cause big gaps in their farm system.

Posted by Dseven on 06/24/19 at 01:44 PM ET

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So, if the other ten picks end being a #1 and #2 centre, three top-six wingers, four top-pairing D and a Vezina-winning goalie, the draft will be a failure?

That seems like not a complete overreaction at all.

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 06/24/19 at 12:24 PM ET

No, if that happened then this draft would be amazing success, but you know as well as I do, that those 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th round picks rarely work out, so I’m just going with the more likely outcome.  Any pick beyond the first couple rounds usually ends up being nothing more than a lottery ticket.  Very few work out.
So yes, if your early picks busts, then there a good chance that the draft will be viewed as a failure.

Posted by Matt_in_MI on 06/24/19 at 02:44 PM ET

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but you know as well as I do, that those 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th round picks rarely work out

cough. cough. cough…...Steve Yzerman…....cough. cough. cough.

Sorry, I just had to through that out there. it’s too funny…..to me.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 06/24/19 at 03:04 PM ET

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A serious question, how many of these 11 need to be regular NHLers for us to say this was a successful draft?

Normally I’ve heard that getting ONE long-term NHLer (500+ games I think was the measure) out of a draft was considered good.

But with the Wings having a top 10 pick plus 3 in the second round, I want at least two out of this draft and if they get 3 I’ll be thrilled.

 

Posted by evileye on 06/24/19 at 04:10 PM ET

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