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Bubba Dealing Suter’s Rights?

That’s what the Gore is telling us. It looks like Bubba’s in the right mind for a good, old fashioned swap meet.

The Detroit Red Wings are crossing their fingers that Ryan Suter reaches free agency on July 1. But to get a crack at the Nashville defenseman, the Wings might have to get aggressive before that date, based on a report by Dennis Bernstein of The Fourth Period: “League exec told us last night he expects Preds to deal Suter rights around draft, ‘just like they did with Hamhuis, Hartnell and Timonen”.

That’s pretty much in the rumor stages right now. But, it’s a nice ditty to discuss.

So, we know little Bubba ain’t dealing with Detroit.  So he moves Suter’s rights and it’s to another team other than the Wings?  Ok. Doesn’t mean the Wings aren’t still in the running.  Just that someone else has exclusive negotiating rights up until 1 July. And if Suter wants Detroit, he’ll get Detroit.

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CaptainDennisPolonich's avatar

Offer Hudler’s rights, the warm body who’s rights we got from SJ, and a bag of pucks. Otherwise wait 18 more days.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 06/12/12 at 07:07 PM ET

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The whole Suter/Parise thing scares me. There are too many possible scenarios that do not involve Detroit. It wouldn’t surprise me a bit if other teams collude to make sure we don’t get these guys.

Posted by MsRedWinger from Flori-duh on 06/12/12 at 07:08 PM ET

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Anyone else thinking that if Suter’s rights are traded we probably have less of a chance to sign him?  I can basically guarantee Nashville won’t trade his rights to us.  Not a big fan of hearing this info.  What I’d love to see Kenny do is trade for Parise’s rights and try to get him signed to show Suter that his buddy is with us and he should be too.

Posted by Ataris18 from Tucson, AZ on 06/12/12 at 07:11 PM ET

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F*** Nashville. That is all.

Posted by godblender on 06/12/12 at 07:15 PM ET

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I think, as we saw from the Hamhuis situation, that dealing for rights really means nothing in the end.  A lot of players end up getting ‘flattered’ by a team wanting them that much and end up committing.  In Suter’s case, he already knows that basically every team in the League wants him, and probably would be swayed little by having his rights traded to, say, Philly, if what he really wants is to test the FA market.  He’s going to get some ridiculous offers on July 1 (and here’s hoping the craziest comes from our own Kenny).

Do we really think he’s going to throw away his chance to survey all of the FA offers coming in just because a team gave up something for his rights?  He specifcally has said that he wishes his next contract to be with the team he finishes his career with, and so I’m sure he’s concentrating on making the decision of which team he goes to himself, not by Poile.

Posted by BrendonR on 06/12/12 at 07:17 PM ET

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Im just not sure how anyone could think that this was going to go any other way.  Either Suter signed before draft day, which by everyone’s account, including his agent, was not likely to happen, or Nashville was going to trade his rights.

You didn’t think they were going to lose him for nothing, did you?  And on top of that, it would take a special kind of prick to turn down a contract and then go sign a career-long deal with your division rival.  I’m not saying he won’t or that I dont necessarily want him in Detroit, but you have to realize a move like that says something about a guy’s character.

Posted by Hootinani on 06/12/12 at 07:23 PM ET

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F*** Nashville. That is all.

+19

Posted by Chris in Hockey Hell from Ann Arbor, MI but LIVING in Columbia, TN on 06/12/12 at 07:25 PM ET

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Nashville opting to trade his rights tells us only two things for certain.

1. Ryan Suter does not want to stay in Nashville.
2. David Poile is no idiot.

There is nothing more to read into it. Whoever gets his rights, at whatever cost, has a tiny extra edge. If it is a team near the top of Suter’s list, that may be all it takes. But likely he’d want to wait it out for July 1 to milk more $$.

IMO, trade for Parise’s rights, get him signed ASAP and let Suter make himself available if he wants the option of playing for Detroit with his pal Parise. No way Nashville’s trading Suter’s rights to Detroit anyways. Going hard after Parise will show Suter that Detroit is very serious about putting a solid team together (if he had any doubts).

Posted by awould on 06/12/12 at 07:29 PM ET

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Only problem awould is I’m sure Kenny Holland wants to know what it’s going to cost to shore up the defense before he starts shooting Brad Richards contracts at Parise.  Maybe I’m wrong.  So if we’re talking giving up assets, I don’t see him doing it for anything less than rights with Ryan Suter.. again, I’m an armchair GM and don’t know shit wink

Posted by HockeytownOverhaul on 06/12/12 at 07:47 PM ET

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Would you give up anything more than a bag of pucks for Suter’s rights without having spoken with Suter’s agent and perhaps even Suter?

Whoever gets his rights will have more than a tiny extra edge. How much of an edge will depend on the price paid. If the team trading for Suter gives up anything more than conditional draft pick(s), say, some picks and a top 4 D or top 6 forward, then you know Suters new home.

I still don’t get where all the Parise-to-anywhere-other-than-Jersey crap is coming from. I have yet to see any reports, anonymous or otherwise, that Parise is unhappy, wants out, or wants to test the UFA waters. I’ll bet a 6pack of PBR that Parise stays put in Jersey.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 06/12/12 at 07:51 PM ET

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Yeah, I don’t see why Parise would leave Jersey.  It’s not like they didn’t just make the Stanley Cup Finals or anything like that.

Posted by scotts0 from New York on 06/12/12 at 07:57 PM ET

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Quincey wasn’t traded directly to Detroit…...just sayin’..........

Posted by HockeyTownTodd on 06/12/12 at 08:10 PM ET

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It’s all talk about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin until there is a new CBA. I doubt there will be any more NHL games this year. It seems unlikely we will have any games until 2013, since the morons (BOTH sides) haven’t even STARTED negotiations and do not even have any negotiations scheduled.

shut eye

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 06/12/12 at 08:24 PM ET

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but you have to realize a move like that says something about a guy’s character.

Posted by Hootinani on 06/12/12 at 06:23 PM ET

I don’t understand that logic.  He was drafted by the Predators, it’s not like he has had much of a choice of who to play for before this.  If he wants to test the market, he has every right to, and I don’t think it reflects at all on his character.

Posted by Forlorn in VA on 06/12/12 at 08:36 PM ET

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I still don’t get where all the Parise-to-anywhere-other-than-Jersey crap is coming from. I have yet to see any reports, anonymous or otherwise, that Parise is unhappy, wants out, or wants to test the UFA waters. I’ll bet a 6pack of PBR that Parise stays put in Jersey.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 06/12/12 at 06:51 PM ET

It’s more the fact that the Devils are pretty much bankrupt and may not be willing to shell out the kind of money it will take to re-sign Parise, especially when you consider what they already have tied up in Kovalchuk.

Posted by John W. from a bubble wrap cocoon on 06/12/12 at 08:38 PM ET

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It’s more the fact that the Devils are pretty much bankrupt and may not be willing to shell out the kind of money it will take to re-sign Parise

May not even be part of being willing. They simply may not be able to.

The NHL Spin Machine is in full force, but the basic is that the Devils’ minority owner wants out, but dont’ want to sell to the majority owner. The team defaulted on $80M worth of loans during this season and had to borrow against their revenue sharing dollars before the end of the season.

Apparently, there’s a rule that teams can’t force a team into bankruptcy before the end of the season. Bettman has given his personal assurance that he’s spoken with the majority owner and the debtors and that everything is getting taken care of. There’s apparently a group from Ottawa willing to buy out the minority owners.

The thing with all of this is that it’s all just promises right now and it’s all promises that sound eerily similar to some promises people heard before the Coyotes ended up being purchased out of bankruptcy by the league.  Reports are the Devils have been losing as much as $20M per season.

That club simply may not have the money available to pay Parise for his services. Lou Lamoriello says they will, but again… it’s all just words right now.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/12/12 at 08:55 PM ET

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there’s a rule that teams can’t force a team into bankruptcy

Debtors, not teams.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/12/12 at 08:57 PM ET

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Would you give up anything more than a bag of pucks for Suter’s rights without having spoken with Suter’s agent and perhaps even Suter?

Chances are though that it’s going to be a conditional draft pick, like with Stuart’s rights.  If the player signs with the team then Nashville gets a pick, otherwise they get nothing, or a much lower pick.

I think, as we saw from the Hamhuis situation, that dealing for rights really means nothing in the end.

It’s a crapshoot, really.  Last year Wisniewski’s rights were traded to Columbus and he signed there, and Ehrhoff’s were trade to the Isles, then the Sabres and he signed with the Sabres.

If there’s a team that’s willing to give a concrete, unconditional pick to Nashville, his rights could get traded no matter what he’s thinking, but also if Nashville tells him there are three teams interested in his rights and he tells them he would sign with (for the purpose of argument and hope) Detroit, then Nashville could trade him, knowing they would be likely to get the conditional pick that Detroit is offering.

I’m sure it’s completely unrealistic to think Detroit could get his rights, but it would be nice if they could sign him before July 1st and then say to Parise or whomever, “We just signed Ryan Suter, so you know we’re serious about building something special” rather than having to say “Well, we’re also talking to Suter, so he might be coming too, if you do” or whatever…

Posted by Garth on 06/12/12 at 09:18 PM ET

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That club simply may not have the money available to pay Parise for his services. Lou Lamoriello says they will, but again… it’s all just words right now.

More than that, even if it’s just rumours right now, if you’re headed for a big payday do you really want to trust a team has a big question mark beside the issue of ownership stability?

Posted by Garth on 06/12/12 at 09:31 PM ET

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With the way things are unfolding as of late I will be extremely surprised if either of Parise or Suter lands in Detroit.  All of us armchair GM’s will have plenty of ammunition to tear down the braintrust and Kenny in particular.  Detroit will make some moves but not the kind everyone seems to think.  If Suter or Parise take any time to be wined and dined it will make the teams courting them lose out on the second tier UFA’s.  I look for Detroit to snag 2 D-men like Wideman and Carle or Garrison and a forward like P. A. Parenteau.  Not the bonanza everyone wants but a pretty decent haul under the circumstances.

Posted by calquake on 06/12/12 at 09:50 PM ET

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Fuch Doan. He’s dirty POS that’s no better than claude lePuke

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 06/12/12 at 01:54 PM ET

We may remember the 2010 playoffs, a tired Red Wings team trying to fight through the PHX.  Game 5 or 6 Captain Shane Doan steams toward the net as should be done.  Seeing Red Wings Goalie Jimmy Howard in a vulnerable position, Doan leaps over Howard at the last minute rather than merely crashing into the defenseless Goalie, landing awkwardly on the other side of Howard and slamming into the wall.  Saving a defenseless Howard, Captain Shane Doan misses the last game of the series as Detroit wins the round.  Hardly dirty.  Physical and honorable, yes.

Posted by RWBill from cruising Brush Street with Super Creepy Rob Lowe. on 06/12/12 at 10:35 PM ET

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Tro’ a Jiri burger down Bubba’s troat. Give ‘em an Emmerton chaser, quickly followed buy poor man’s Viagra - Chris Conner.  Yes all this for Suter’s rights.

Posted by beelza on 06/13/12 at 04:54 AM ET

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Posted by beelza on 06/13/12 at 03:54 AM ET

I think you might be overestimating the value of our impending UFAs.

Posted by Garth on 06/13/12 at 08:20 AM ET

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Saving a defenseless Howard, Captain Shane Doan misses the last game of the series as Detroit wins the round.  Hardly dirty.  Physical and honorable, yes.

Posted by RWBill from the Capital of the Confederacy. on 06/12/12 at 09:35 PM ET

This. +19

I have always been a Doan fan. He is exactly what we need. He is a true leader and power forward that hits everything in sight.  He is on an entirely different level as far as aggression goes and can consistently put up 20-25 goals and over 50pts. I wouldn’t mind Kenny driving the “Brinks Truck” over to his house this summer and even giving him the “C” or at the very least, an “A”, as the captain’s job will likely be going to Z (well deserved).

If we lose out on the Parise sweepstakes, Doan would be a decent consolation prize, and better than most of the free agent forwards out there.

Posted by yzer19man from Chicago, IL on 06/13/12 at 08:51 AM ET

J.J. from Kansas's avatar

If Doan isn’t dirty, he’s sure as hell reckless.

Remember that his heroically diving on a grenade to save Jimmy Howard from himself is also contrasted by him pushing Johan Franzen face-first into the boards.

Posted by J.J. from Kansas on 06/13/12 at 09:12 AM ET

Brooklyn Deuce's avatar

If Doan isn’t dirty, he’s sure as hell reckless.

The Red Wings could use a little recklessness I think. It’s a hard man’s game and I think the Wings could use an element of chaos.

Posted by Brooklyn Deuce from Fauborg Marigny on 06/13/12 at 12:07 PM ET

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Doan is a cheap shot artist, a whiner and a poor sportsman. He is the antithisis of Red Wing Hockey. The only time he has had any class was when he was in school.

1. The 2006 incident where he “allegedy” used a racial slur against a francophone referee. Lawsuits and counter-suits were filed. As part of the settlement, he admitted to lying about the incident (he denied that a slur was uttered at all), and was forced to admit that a slur was in fact uttered. If it had gone to trial, I bet the witnesses would have ID him as the guy.

2. October 2010 suspended three games for a head shot.

3. March 2012 suspended three games for a head shot.

4. May 2012 embarasses himself, the Coyotes and the NHL with his post game behavior after being eliminated by the LA Kings in the conference finals. He confronted the refs on the ice and was petulant and confrontational in the handshake line. Need I remind some of you youngins how the Wings handled the handshake line in 1996 with Claude LePuke and the Dive? With class and dignity. Afterwards, in the locker room, Dino Cicarelli uttered the immortal line, “I can’t believe I shook his freakin’ hand.” But on the ice the Wings were all class.

The cheap shots, in combination with his inability to control his emotions in the heat of the moment,  show Doan to be a punk ass POS who has no business wearing the Winged Wheel.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 06/13/12 at 01:15 PM ET

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I think it’s time we seriously prepare for life without Parise or Suter coming.  If NAS deals Suter, the probability of DET getting him drops to nearly zero.  And it doesn’t sound like Parise is leaving NJ.  There are worse things I guess than maybe having to turn to some of the kids…

It’s also going to be a huge hit to DET’s future reputation if they don’t land at least one of the two.  Don’t expect DET to be nearly a go-to destination as it used to be then… because it’s been a while since DET sign a big-name free agent.  Hossa was the last one, and that’s now been nearly 4 years since the summer of ‘08.

Posted by Primis on 06/13/12 at 02:30 PM ET

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Hossa was the last one, and that’s now been nearly 4 years since the summer of ‘08.

Yeah. And he left after one season and immediately won a Cup. The optics on that one aren’t great.

Posted by awould on 06/13/12 at 02:35 PM ET

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That’s right- don’t forget we have Andrew Murray.  He’s prime trade bait.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 06/13/12 at 02:37 PM ET

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Sidney Crosby is slated to become UFA in 2013.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 06/13/12 at 02:50 PM ET

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Rick Nash could be available via trade.

Posted by monkey from Praha, Česká republika on 06/13/12 at 02:52 PM ET

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I think it’s time we seriously prepare for life without Parise or Suter coming.  If NAS deals Suter, the probability of DET getting him drops to nearly zero.  And it doesn’t sound like Parise is leaving NJ.  There are worse things I guess than maybe having to turn to some of the kids…
It’s also going to be a huge hit to DET’s future reputation if they don’t land at least one of the two.  Don’t expect DET to be nearly a go-to destination as it used to be then… because it’s been a while since DET sign a big-name free agent.  Hossa was the last one, and that’s now been nearly 4 years since the summer of ‘08.
Posted by Primis on 06/13/12 at 01:30 PM ET

Unfortunately, I can’t refute any of the points of your argument.

The Emperor has a story on the front page about how happy Parise is in NJ and how he plans to re-sign with the Devils. I never thought that Parise was going anywhere and now it is all but set in stone from his own mouth.

None of us can even imagine a scenario where Bubba would trade the rights to Suter to the Wings.

As much as I love making the playoffs every year, perhaps it is better for a team to miss the playoffs than to lose in the first or second rounds. Now that every team scouts worldwide, it’s harder to find top 4 D and top 6 forwards where the Wings habitually draft. Would a cellar dweller like C-bus, Edmonton, Montreal or the isles take Mule for two first rounders?

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 06/13/12 at 03:41 PM ET

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The cheap shots, in combination with his inability to control his emotions in the heat of the moment,  show Doan to be a punk ass POS who has no business wearing the Winged Wheel.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 06/13/12 at 12:15 PM ET

I agree. No Doanbags. Speaking of D-bags that I could live with, Corey Perry.

Just sayin…..............Now start the bitchfest.

Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13

Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 06/13/12 at 03:42 PM ET

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I agree. No Doanbags. Speaking of D-bags that I could live with, Corey Perry.
Just sayin…..............Now start the bitchfest.
Lets Go Red Wings!!!!! In ’13
Posted by Kate from Pa.-made in Detroit on 06/13/12 at 02:42 PM ET

Thanks, Kate. I always know I’m on the right side of a debate when I agree with you.

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from The Land of Fake Boobs and Real Nuts on 06/13/12 at 04:24 PM ET

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Wings announce their pre-season schedule.

Posted by SYF from The Revenge of Johnny E on 06/13/12 at 05:15 PM ET

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Posted by Primis on 06/13/12 at 01:30 PM ET

Well why don’t you just slice the wrists now and get it over with? Free agency hasn’t even started and you’re already bi-polar.

Posted by mrfluffy from A wide spot on I-90 in Montana on 06/14/12 at 12:35 AM ET

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Well why don’t you just slice the wrists now and get it over with? Free agency hasn’t even started and you’re already bi-polar.

Posted by mrfluffy from Long Beach on 06/13/12 at 11:35 PM ET

Well unlike some of you, I don’t necessarily think missing Suter and Parise would be the absolute end of the world.  I’ve said repeatedly there are worse things than if DET has to finally lean on their kids more.  It won’t bode well for next season necessarily, but it might prove beneficial long-term.  Maybe expecting more from Abdelkader, Helm,  Emmerton, Mursak, Nyquist, Kindl, and Smith gets them where they need to be.  Over-ripening is one thing, but making them wait years only to tell them “Sorry, still no room for you” is just a waste.

It would blow chunks for this coming season though (assuming there is one) because I think the playoff streak then is in serious jeopardy.

And it sure looks to me like DET needs to stop making dumb trades for guys like Quincey and keep their 1sts, because it’s becoming the only real way to build now with the trade market dying and free agency being so watered down from long contracts.

Posted by Primis on 06/14/12 at 10:46 AM ET

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As much as I love making the playoffs every year, perhaps it is better for a team to miss the playoffs than to lose in the first or second rounds. Now that every team scouts worldwide, it’s harder to find top 4 D and top 6 forwards where the Wings habitually draft. Would a cellar dweller like C-bus, Edmonton, Montreal or the isles take Mule for two first rounders?

Posted by CaptainDennisPolonich from Warm and sunny SoCal on 06/13/12 at 02:41 PM ET


I’m with ya Cap’n.  In order to get someone useful and could fit right in and play will take a trade of one of the “jewels” of this team ie Jack Johnson from the Kings to the BJ’s for Carter.
If we trade up for a top 5 pick and the player ends up playing this or next year with the big club, how will the players who have been “seasoning” take it?

Tick Tock Kenny

Posted by cigar_nurse from Greenville South Cakalakee on 06/14/12 at 11:37 AM ET

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