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Are The Wings Looking To Move Down In The Draft?

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I bet we trade down and take vasili if we tho k he’s gonna be available

Posted by SevensForTed on 06/19/19 at 01:18 PM ET

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If we think* - not that I’m a big fan of his situation

Posted by SevensForTed on 06/19/19 at 01:19 PM ET

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Who is Patrick Johnston??

Honestly not familiar with him or what media outlet he works for?

That said, if the Wings can still get their guy at #10, then why not extract a 2nd round pick out of Vancouver???

Posted by Down River Dan on 06/19/19 at 01:32 PM ET

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DRD, he is a writer for the Province and Sun in Vancouver.

Posted by Paul from Motown Area on 06/19/19 at 01:34 PM ET

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Canuck fans seem to think they can get Byram at #6. They also think Detroit will only get a 2nd for the swap, #40. Guys named Virtanen (less likely) and Joulevi were floated instead of the 2nd. I don’t know either player. It just seems like a weird trade if both teams need a #1 dman. I would hate this trade if the Canucks get Byram without getting more out of the deal….a lot more.

Posted by howeandhowe from Seattle on 06/19/19 at 02:05 PM ET

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If Vancouver is trying to move up it is because they think that someone is going to move up ahead of them to grab Victor Söderström or Philip Broberg. Probably exactly who the Wings will target by moving back.

Besides that going from #6 to #10 would require Van ‘19 2nd, ‘19 3rd and ‘20 2nd to make it worthwhile for Detroit and I don’t see them giving that up.

Buffalo’s been linked to Podkolzin in a number of mocks and I can see them needing wingers.Here is an Atlantic teams needs page. While here is the NHL’s website version. Given the team needs I would be hesitant about moving back in order to target a d-man.

Posted by d ca on 06/19/19 at 02:06 PM ET

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If its true ... At #10 could they be looking at addressing the organization’s need in goal? I would have no problem with the Wings taking Spencer Knight. The more you read about him, the more you have to get excited about his potential for being an elite level player. If they stay at 6 they likely have to go “Center” as there seem to be a lot more high end players at that position than on defense, unless of course Byram falls that far.

Posted by RW19 on 06/19/19 at 02:31 PM ET

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#10 used for a goalie…NO…not even Knight who is considered a safe goalie prospect.

There’s a real chance Knight falls to the bottom of the 1st round. Easier to trade up and target him than waste the #10 pick (assuming they do trade back—I’m not convinced Vancouver has enough draft capital to move up to there anyways).

And if not plenty of goalies to target in round 2. Forwards are much easier to project to the NHL with certainty than a goalie that’s why you don’t see many chosen in the 1st round.

Posted by d ca on 06/19/19 at 02:40 PM ET

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I’ve wanted them to move back for weeks now. They have a bunch of young centers/wingers with potential so why not trade down and get a viable propect and/or multiple 2nd/3rd round picks – and then select Spencer Knight.

He’s been described as the best American-born goalie prospect in a long time as well as a potential “franchise goalie.” And even though Filip Larsson (listed as the best goalie prospect in the Wings’ system) did very well at the U. of Denver last year (1.95 & .932 in 22 games), Knight seems to have more upside.

Anyway, whatever happens, I’m a lot more comfortable knowing that Stevie Y is making the final decisions than I ever was with Holland doing it.

Posted by OlderThanChelios from Grand Rapids, MI on 06/19/19 at 02:51 PM ET

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Ugh.  The Wings already have so many 2nd and later round picks, I hate to see them move back at all to get an additional late round pick.  Unless they are dead set that they will get their player at a later spot.

If they only had 5 or 6 other picks in the draft this would make sense…but at this point I feel they should be trying to use the #6 pick on someone they truly think can make the team in 2020.

Posted by TreKronor on 06/19/19 at 04:04 PM ET

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I could see Detroit moving up by grabbing an additional 1st round draft pick. Detroit has 3 2nd round draft picks. They could possibly draft up. I don’t see Detroit drafting down. We’ll see what happens.

Posted by AdrenRush369 on 06/19/19 at 05:35 PM ET

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—— at this point I feel they should be trying to use the #6 pick on someone they truly think can make the team in 2020.
—-I would like them to take Cozens or Zegras, but maybe they feel at 10 there will be similar type of talent available. Maybe they are going after Broberg.

Posted by VPalmer on 06/19/19 at 06:32 PM ET

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If this happens, then Detroit needs to get G Thatcher Demko as a part of that trade down.

Posted by Lidstromfan on 06/19/19 at 06:44 PM ET

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If Yzerman isn’t sold on one particular guy at #6 and if he can get something else in return, why not?

Depends what compensation he gets, of course, but it doesn’t hurt to listen to offers…

Posted by CharDeeMacDennis on 06/19/19 at 08:17 PM ET

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That would be the opposite of what they need to do.  Likely one of the bigger forward/centers will be available at 6, and should probably take one.  Yzerman does like Caulfield and they desperately need more scoring.  Trade a couple of 2d rounders and maybe a player for another pick 8-10 and get Caulfield.

They lack star power and won’t find that by trading down to 20 and another 2d rounder.  They were lowest in the league in winning games by 3 goals or more b/c they can’t score 4 goals, and the PP is horrible again.  They need a talented goal scorer and sniper and Cole is the best in several drafts.  There’s an outside shot Yzerman would take him at 6 anyway.

Posted by RWBill on 06/19/19 at 09:12 PM ET

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I’ve been reading The Edmonton Journal’s Cult of Hockey regularly
because the in depth team coverage of a team facing some unique situations is itself interesting, along with seeing what our old GM is up to.

They seem pretty convinced Edmonton should move down from 8th - 2-4 picks or so to draft Bromberg -in general that there is either little difference between who will be available after the top four, and/or that a given team is quite likely to still find their guy on the board a little later than their own pick. So why not get the extra shot in the second round?

It made me think: why doesn’t Detroit trade back some and recoup even more if
they can get the second best D in the draft and a guy with first pairing upside?

I trust the new leadership’s insights combined with the work done by existing staff.
Who knows at this point what they think.

But it sure seems like the picks from 5-12 or so could be wildly fluid and a multi-dimensional gamble based on who is gone with each pick and how each team picking thinks that will affect the other teams picking around them .

Posted by lefty.30 on 06/19/19 at 09:24 PM ET

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Yzerman said it just yesterday that he see a group of 6 or 7 elite players in the draft. At #10 he would at least be taking a very dangerous bet of drafting from a worse group of players. Even if he thinks one of them will be passed on by other teams (or say, he thinks Broberg is as good as Caufiled or Zegras but more of what Red Wings need) and be there at #10 that risk alone is certainly worth a lot. Maybe a prospect… But for sure a lot more than a 2nd rounder in a draft where Detroit already got 3

Posted by Dseven on 06/20/19 at 02:40 AM ET

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Ugh.  The Wings already have so many 2nd and later round picks, I hate to see them move back at all to get an additional late round pick.  Unless they are dead set that they will get their player at a later spot.

If they only had 5 or 6 other picks in the draft this would make sense…but at this point I feel they should be trying to use the #6 pick on someone they truly think can make the team in 2020.

Posted by TreKronor on 06/19/19 at 05:04 PM ET

I don’t know if that player exists at #6.  That’s the problem.  #6 isn’t as early as it needs to be to get the guy they really need, and yet it’s also not late enough where DET should feel comfortable making a stretch pick.  So trading down might make a lot of sense.

Poo-poohing 2nd rounders and later is a bit silly too.  Hronek was a 2nd, Larsson a 6th, Ehn a 4th, Bertuzzi a 2nd. Athanasiou a 4th, etc.  Mrazek and Jensen were both 5ths.  DET has a good track record of getting some quality guys out of those 2nd round and later picks.  This isn’t EDM, where they regularly get basically nothing out of rounds past the 1st…

Posted by Primis on 06/20/19 at 07:15 AM ET

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If Cam York drops to the second round or wings move down he might be a good DMEN to pick up. He needs to fill out his frame and he may be consider undersized at 5’ 11” but he can move the puck and defend:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwNkmlpQntU

Posted by damndog revenge From the bowels of Detroit on 06/20/19 at 08:39 AM ET

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I wouldn’t be willing to make this trade until the Wings see who is available at #6. Trading any earlier rules out the possibility of drafting Byrum should he fall (highly unlikely though). A trade down a couple of slots makes sense IF they have more than a couple guys equal and available at #6. Try to get 2nd round pick in return or high level prospect.

There are going to be plenty of defensemen available in the 2nd round and I suspect that’s who they will target. However, those 2nd round picks could be packaged to move up into the bottom half of the first round. Taking Knight at #10 is probably too high but if he is still around come #20 or later, using those 2nd round picks as ammunition to acquire him would be wise. Immediately their goaltending situation would be radically improved. I’d rather have Larsson and Knight in the pipeline than Larsson alone.

Posted by evileye on 06/20/19 at 11:16 AM ET

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